The People Have Spoken

Cruize · 11-07-2012, 12:34 AM

President Obama and the Democrats have a mandate from the people. I hope all Republicans will take Mr. Romney's advice and work with the Obama administration to move our nation forward.

Srgt. Hulka · 11-07-2012, 12:58 AM

I hope you libs who re-elected this POS enjoys the destruction of this country. It saddens me to think that my children will NEVER know the America that I grew up in. You think this economy is bad now, you aint seen nothin yet.

You say that you hope that the Republicans work with Obama to move this country forward. Obama doesn't want to work with the Republicans. He does not want to move this country forward. he is dead set ondestroying this country's foundation in hopes of rebuilding it in his own socilaist leftiest image.

We are screwed Cruize. You are blinded now, but one day your eyes will be opened to the truth, but by that time, it will be too late. This country will be in the ****ter, and the people in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Colorado, and all those other ****ed up states that put this POS back in office.

Turbo Saint · 11-07-2012, 02:09 AM

does no one remember gwb? and for all of you claming "reagan back" - go suck on eisenhower's teet.

really? clowns.

romney: "i believe in america...i believe in the people of america."

america just voted for obama...POPULAR and ELECTORAL - mitt accepted it, now you should.

SmashMouth · 11-07-2012, 06:28 AM

He won... but hardly a mandate. 400 is more indicative of a mandate. He won with fewer in the popular vote as well as fewer electoral votes. House Republicans increased seats, they lost one or two in the Senate due to incompetent campaigns, and a couple extra Republicans so far in the governors. And btw.... that advice you were referring to was for the President too, not that he'll try anyway based on his track record. And the best part is that now he can blame himself as he was the predecessor. So many scandals loom in the near future. BenghaziGate could elevate Biden after all is said and done. It is what it is, and the left and their voters own the demise of this great nation.

SloMotion · 11-07-2012, 06:55 AM

This type of election result is typically where Democratic leaders like Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid, and liberals in general, often make the mistake of interpreting it as a 'mandate from the people' to run wild with their agenda. It's not.

I think you would have to consider 'a mandate from the people' to be characterized by a landslide victory. Obama defeated Romney by roughly 2.5million popular votes (2%) and 97 electoral votes, hardly a landslide. In fact, it's a far less margin of victory than Obama experienced in 2008 against John McCain, which I would concede was a landslide and 'mandate from the people'.

If there's any 'mandate from the people' to be taken from this election, I would hope the Obama Administration would be wise enough to realize that a significant number of voters are unhappy with his first term and not to consider a 2% margin-of-victory as a sign that he has the complete, unilateral support of his constituents.

These elections were landslides and what I would consider as 'mandates from the people':

1972: Richard Nixon(R) defeats George McGovern(D) by 18mil votes, Electoral College 520-17.
1980: Ronald Reagan(R) defeats incumbent Jimmy Carter(D) by 8.4mil votes, Electoral College 489-49.
1984: Ronald Reagan(R) defeats Walter Mondale(D) by 16.9mil votes, Electoral College 525-13.
1988: George H.W. Bush(R) defeats Michael Dukakis(D) by 7.1mil votes, Electoral College 426-111.
1992: Bill Clinton(D) defeats incumbent George H.W. Bush(R) by 5.8mil votes, Electoral College 370-168.
1996: Bill Clinton(D) defeats Bob Dole by 7.7mil votes, Electoral College 379-159.
2008: Barack Obama(D) defeats John McCain(R) by 9.7mil votes, Electoral College 365-173.

So you see, by definition, Obama does not have 'a mandate from the people', but rather 'a mandate to reconsider some of the things he's doing and maybe try doing things a little differently in order to move the country forward' ... that's the 'mandate' a 2% margin-of-victory gives you.

The post-election "let's reach across the aisle for the American people" bull**** rhetoric has begun, on both sides & as usual. Once again I will wait to see if it's nothing more then lip-service to the American public, which it usually is. A big reason for this, IMO, is because of politicians like those I mentioned above, who wrongly define any victory as a 'mandate from the people' to force their agenda. It never used to be that way. Politicians used to put America before their own party's agenda.

Cruize · 11-07-2012, 07:04 AM

The ressons Republicans lost:
1. Their hateful, divisive, bat-crap crazy rhetoric of the past four years was recognized and rejected.
2. Their stated goal of making President Obama a one term guy, our country be damned in the process, was recognized and rejected.
3. Thier voter suppression efforts was recognized and seriously pissed alot of people off. They made sure they voted.
4. Romney was a stiff, elitest, flip-flopping, lacking in truth candidate.
5. Ryan made the Tea Party happy and was completely useless in the campaign.
6. The President has done many good things. Saved the American auto industry. Gave the order to kill Osama. Got us out of Iraq. Getting us out of Afghanistan. Has so far avoided a war with Iran. Has used drones instead of soldiers to take out threats in the middle east. 32 straight months of job growth. The ACA will help millions who otherwise would have had to use the ER as their only health care source. All in the face of record of obstructionism. Far from perfect but headed in the right direction.

Srgt. Hulka · 11-07-2012, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

The ressons Republicans lost:
1. Their hateful, divisive, bat-crap crazy rhetoric of the past four years was recognized and rejected.
2. Their stated goal of making President Obama a one term guy, our country be damned in the process, was recognized and rejected.
3. Thier voter suppression efforts was recognized and seriously pissed alot of people off. They made sure they voted.
4. Romney was a stiff, elitest, flip-flopping, lacking in truth candidate.
5. Ryan made the Tea Party happy and was completely useless in the campaign.
6. The President has done many good things. Saved the American auto industry. Gave the order to kill Osama. Got us out of Iraq. Getting us out of Afghanistan. Has so far avoided a war with Iran. Has used drones instead of soldiers to take out threats in the middle east. 32 straight months of job growth. The ACA will help millions who otherwise would have had to use the ER as their only health care source. All in the face of record of obstructionism. Far from perfect but headed in the right direction.

That's all bull**** Cruize. The reason Obama won, is because we have now reached that tipping point where there are more people on the govenment tit who are not willng to give it up. Pieces of **** who won't go out and earn their own living, they expect me to earn a living for me and them. We are now at a point of no return. This country is doomed to be one big Greece. Sit back and watch. It'll be here before you know it.

Danno · 11-07-2012, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

The ressons Republicans lost:
1. Their hateful, divisive, bat-crap crazy rhetoric of the past four years was recognized and rejected.
2. Their stated goal of making President Obama a one term guy, our country be damned in the process, was recognized and rejected.
3. Thier voter suppression efforts was recognized and seriously pissed alot of people off. They made sure they voted.
4. Romney was a stiff, elitest, flip-flopping, lacking in truth candidate.
5. Ryan made the Tea Party happy and was completely useless in the campaign.
6. The President has done many good things. Saved the American auto industry. Gave the order to kill Osama. Got us out of Iraq. Getting us out of Afghanistan. Has so far avoided a war with Iran. Has used drones instead of soldiers to take out threats in the middle east. 32 straight months of job growth. The ACA will help millions who otherwise would have had to use the ER as their only health care source. All in the face of record of obstructionism. Far from perfect but headed in the right direction.

Good grief you are the most uninformed person I've ever seen. Its no wonder your a Democrat.

SloMotion · 11-07-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

That's all bull**** Cruize. The reason Obama won, is because we have now reached that tipping point where there are more people on the govenment tit who are not willng to give it up. Pieces of **** who won't go out and earn their own living, they expect me to earn a living for me and them. We are now at a point of no return. This country is doomed to be one big Greece. Sit back and watch. It'll be here before you know it.

IDK Hulkster, I think that much like the 'Obama saved the auto industry' theory, it's a misconception. Poor people aren't the problem and there isn't enough of them that vote to swing an election in any direction. IMO, it's the Republicans inability to field a truly conservative candidate and convey a conservative message in a compassionate manner that leads to their losses in the polls.

A big impression I got from this election was that while people did not necessarily want to vote for Obama, they were going to vote Democrat out of concern for their situation and the economy. In other words, they've been watching their neighbors & friends losing their jobs, homes and basically everything so much these last four years that they now feel it's only a matter of time before it's them and they want that safety net to be there when it happens. The Democratic Party capitalizes on these concerns and the Republicans fail to get the message across that they don't want to eliminate the safety-net, just make it more cost effective and less prone to abuse.

I agree with you we're on the road to becoming 'one big Greece', or maybe just that we're in real big financial trouble in this country and if we don't start doing something about it other than throwing-good-money-after-bad, there's gonna' be hell-to-pay.

Srgt. Hulka · 11-07-2012, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

IDK Hulkster, I think that much like the 'Obama saved the auto industry' theory, it's a misconception. Poor people aren't the problem and there isn't enough of them that vote to swing an election in any direction. IMO, it's the Republicans inability to field a truly conservative candidate and convey a conservative message in a compassionate manner that leads to their losses in the polls.

A big impression I got from this election was that while people did not necessarily want to vote for Obama, they were going to vote Democrat out of concern for their situation and the economy. In other words, they've been watching their neighbors & friends losing their jobs, homes and basically everything so much these last four years that they now feel it's only a matter of time before it's them and they want that safety net to be there when it happens. The Democratic Party capitalizes on these concerns and the Republicans fail to get the message across that they don't want to eliminate the safety-net, just make it more cost effective and less prone to abuse.

I agree with you we're on the road to becoming 'one big Greece', or maybe just that we're in real big financial trouble in this country and if we don't start doing something about it other than throwing-good-money-after-bad, there's gonna' be hell-to-pay.

That's exactly what I'm talking about SloMotion. We are on a downward spiral of people wanting the government tit to be there for them. They don't want to take any responsibility for themselves. "Oh well, if I lose my job, the govenment will take care of me." Sorry, but that's NOT the govenment's job! They're losing their jobs and houses because of Democratic policies. They're just too stupid to realize it. But, I'm wasting my breath, because we're just screwed. More and more people will now lose their job in the next two years than ever before, because the employers will not be able to afford to keep people on, period. Taxes on businesses is about to skyrocket and Obamacare is about to be fully implemented. These two thing will kill more jobs than anything you've ever seen. Virginia, a coal state went for Obama. He's already told them he's gonna shut down the coal industry. And they vote for him anyway? WTF? I don't feel sorry for any coal plant or mine that gets shut down in the next four years. I don't feel soory for any auto plant that g

****, I have to stop and get to work or I'm gonna lose my job. Have a good day.

11-07-2012, 12:34 AM	#1
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,105	The People Have Spoken President Obama and the Democrats have a mandate from the people. I hope all Republicans will take Mr. Romney's advice and work with the Obama administration to move our nation forward. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook! Turbo Saint likes this.
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11-07-2012, 12:58 AM	#2
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 3,500	Re: The People Have Spoken I hope you libs who re-elected this POS enjoys the destruction of this country. It saddens me to think that my children will NEVER know the America that I grew up in. You think this economy is bad now, you aint seen nothin yet. You say that you hope that the Republicans work with Obama to move this country forward. Obama doesn't want to work with the Republicans. He does not want to move this country forward. he is dead set ondestroying this country's foundation in hopes of rebuilding it in his own socilaist leftiest image. We are screwed Cruize. You are blinded now, but one day your eyes will be opened to the truth, but by that time, it will be too late. This country will be in the **ter, and the people in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Colorado, and all those other **ed up states that put this POS back in office. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook! Danno and Beastmode like this.
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11-07-2012, 02:09 AM	#3
Turbo Saint SoCal Saint Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: OB - San Diego, CA Posts: 725	Re: The People Have Spoken does no one remember gwb? and for all of you claming "reagan back" - go suck on eisenhower's teet. really? clowns. romney: "i believe in america...i believe in the people of america." america just voted for obama...POPULAR and ELECTORAL - mitt accepted it, now you should. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

11-07-2012, 06:28 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,399 Blog Entries: 22	Re: The People Have Spoken He won... but hardly a mandate. 400 is more indicative of a mandate. He won with fewer in the popular vote as well as fewer electoral votes. House Republicans increased seats, they lost one or two in the Senate due to incompetent campaigns, and a couple extra Republicans so far in the governors. And btw.... that advice you were referring to was for the President too, not that he'll try anyway based on his track record. And the best part is that now he can blame himself as he was the predecessor. So many scandals loom in the near future. BenghaziGate could elevate Biden after all is said and done. It is what it is, and the left and their voters own the demise of this great nation. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook! SloMotion likes this.
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11-07-2012, 06:55 AM	#5
SloMotion Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: the Motor City Posts: 2,916 Blog Entries: 15	Re: The People Have Spoken This type of election result is typically where Democratic leaders like Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid, and liberals in general, often make the mistake of interpreting it as a 'mandate from the people' to run wild with their agenda. It's not. I think you would have to consider 'a mandate from the people' to be characterized by a landslide victory. Obama defeated Romney by roughly 2.5million popular votes (2%) and 97 electoral votes, hardly a landslide. In fact, it's a far less margin of victory than Obama experienced in 2008 against John McCain, which I would concede was a landslide and 'mandate from the people'. If there's any 'mandate from the people' to be taken from this election, I would hope the Obama Administration would be wise enough to realize that a significant number of voters are unhappy with his first term and not to consider a 2% margin-of-victory as a sign that he has the complete, unilateral support of his constituents. These elections were landslides and what I would consider as 'mandates from the people': 1972: Richard Nixon(R) defeats George McGovern(D) by 18mil votes, Electoral College 520-17. 1980: Ronald Reagan(R) defeats incumbent Jimmy Carter(D) by 8.4mil votes, Electoral College 489-49. 1984: Ronald Reagan(R) defeats Walter Mondale(D) by 16.9mil votes, Electoral College 525-13. 1988: George H.W. Bush(R) defeats Michael Dukakis(D) by 7.1mil votes, Electoral College 426-111. 1992: Bill Clinton(D) defeats incumbent George H.W. Bush(R) by 5.8mil votes, Electoral College 370-168. 1996: Bill Clinton(D) defeats Bob Dole by 7.7mil votes, Electoral College 379-159. 2008: Barack Obama(D) defeats John McCain(R) by 9.7mil votes, Electoral College 365-173. So you see, by definition, Obama does not have 'a mandate from the people', but rather 'a mandate to reconsider some of the things he's doing and maybe try doing things a little differently in order to move the country forward' ... that's the 'mandate' a 2% margin-of-victory gives you. The post-election "let's reach across the aisle for the American people" bull**** rhetoric has begun, on both sides & as usual. Once again I will wait to see if it's nothing more then lip-service to the American public, which it usually is. A big reason for this, IMO, is because of politicians like those I mentioned above, who wrongly define any victory as a 'mandate from the people' to force their agenda. It never used to be that way. Politicians used to put America before their own party's agenda. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook! saintfan, neugey, Beastmode and 1 others like this.
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11-07-2012, 07:04 AM	#6
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,105	Re: The People Have Spoken The ressons Republicans lost: 1. Their hateful, divisive, bat-crap crazy rhetoric of the past four years was recognized and rejected. 2. Their stated goal of making President Obama a one term guy, our country be damned in the process, was recognized and rejected. 3. Thier voter suppression efforts was recognized and seriously pissed alot of people off. They made sure they voted. 4. Romney was a stiff, elitest, flip-flopping, lacking in truth candidate. 5. Ryan made the Tea Party happy and was completely useless in the campaign. 6. The President has done many good things. Saved the American auto industry. Gave the order to kill Osama. Got us out of Iraq. Getting us out of Afghanistan. Has so far avoided a war with Iran. Has used drones instead of soldiers to take out threats in the middle east. 32 straight months of job growth. The ACA will help millions who otherwise would have had to use the ER as their only health care source. All in the face of record of obstructionism. Far from perfect but headed in the right direction. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!
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11-07-2012, 07:16 AM	#7
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 3,500	Re: The People Have Spoken Originally Posted by Cruize The ressons Republicans lost: 1. Their hateful, divisive, bat-crap crazy rhetoric of the past four years was recognized and rejected. 2. Their stated goal of making President Obama a one term guy, our country be damned in the process, was recognized and rejected. 3. Thier voter suppression efforts was recognized and seriously pissed alot of people off. They made sure they voted. 4. Romney was a stiff, elitest, flip-flopping, lacking in truth candidate. 5. Ryan made the Tea Party happy and was completely useless in the campaign. 6. The President has done many good things. Saved the American auto industry. Gave the order to kill Osama. Got us out of Iraq. Getting us out of Afghanistan. Has so far avoided a war with Iran. Has used drones instead of soldiers to take out threats in the middle east. 32 straight months of job growth. The ACA will help millions who otherwise would have had to use the ER as their only health care source. All in the face of record of obstructionism. Far from perfect but headed in the right direction. That's all bull** Cruize. The reason Obama won, is because we have now reached that tipping point where there are more people on the govenment tit who are not willng to give it up. Pieces of ** who won't go out and earn their own living, they expect me to earn a living for me and them. We are now at a point of no return. This country is doomed to be one big Greece. Sit back and watch. It'll be here before you know it. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook! saintfan likes this.

11-07-2012, 07:49 AM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort Alabama Posts: 11,030	Re: The People Have Spoken Originally Posted by Cruize The ressons Republicans lost: 1. Their hateful, divisive, bat-crap crazy rhetoric of the past four years was recognized and rejected. 2. Their stated goal of making President Obama a one term guy, our country be damned in the process, was recognized and rejected. 3. Thier voter suppression efforts was recognized and seriously pissed alot of people off. They made sure they voted. 4. Romney was a stiff, elitest, flip-flopping, lacking in truth candidate. 5. Ryan made the Tea Party happy and was completely useless in the campaign. 6. The President has done many good things. Saved the American auto industry. Gave the order to kill Osama. Got us out of Iraq. Getting us out of Afghanistan. Has so far avoided a war with Iran. Has used drones instead of soldiers to take out threats in the middle east. 32 straight months of job growth. The ACA will help millions who otherwise would have had to use the ER as their only health care source. All in the face of record of obstructionism. Far from perfect but headed in the right direction. Good grief you are the most uninformed person I've ever seen. Its no wonder your a Democrat. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook! saintfan likes this.

11-07-2012, 07:52 AM	#9
SloMotion Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: the Motor City Posts: 2,916 Blog Entries: 15	Re: The People Have Spoken Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka That's all bull** Cruize. The reason Obama won, is because we have now reached that tipping point where there are more people on the govenment tit who are not willng to give it up. Pieces of ** who won't go out and earn their own living, they expect me to earn a living for me and them. We are now at a point of no return. This country is doomed to be one big Greece. Sit back and watch. It'll be here before you know it. IDK Hulkster, I think that much like the 'Obama saved the auto industry' theory, it's a misconception. Poor people aren't the problem and there isn't enough of them that vote to swing an election in any direction. IMO, it's the Republicans inability to field a truly conservative candidate and convey a conservative message in a compassionate manner that leads to their losses in the polls. A big impression I got from this election was that while people did not necessarily want to vote for Obama, they were going to vote Democrat out of concern for their situation and the economy. In other words, they've been watching their neighbors & friends losing their jobs, homes and basically everything so much these last four years that they now feel it's only a matter of time before it's them and they want that safety net to be there when it happens. The Democratic Party capitalizes on these concerns and the Republicans fail to get the message across that they don't want to eliminate the safety-net, just make it more cost effective and less prone to abuse. I agree with you we're on the road to becoming 'one big Greece', or maybe just that we're in real big financial trouble in this country and if we don't start doing something about it other than throwing-good-money-after-bad, there's gonna' be hell-to-pay. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!
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11-07-2012, 08:15 AM	#10
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 3,500	Re: The People Have Spoken Originally Posted by SloMotion IDK Hulkster, I think that much like the 'Obama saved the auto industry' theory, it's a misconception. Poor people aren't the problem and there isn't enough of them that vote to swing an election in any direction. IMO, it's the Republicans inability to field a truly conservative candidate and convey a conservative message in a compassionate manner that leads to their losses in the polls. A big impression I got from this election was that while people did not necessarily want to vote for Obama, they were going to vote Democrat out of concern for their situation and the economy. In other words, they've been watching their neighbors & friends losing their jobs, homes and basically everything so much these last four years that they now feel it's only a matter of time before it's them and they want that safety net to be there when it happens. The Democratic Party capitalizes on these concerns and the Republicans fail to get the message across that they don't want to eliminate the safety-net, just make it more cost effective and less prone to abuse. I agree with you we're on the road to becoming 'one big Greece', or maybe just that we're in real big financial trouble in this country and if we don't start doing something about it other than throwing-good-money-after-bad, there's gonna' be hell-to-pay. That's exactly what I'm talking about SloMotion. We are on a downward spiral of people wanting the government tit to be there for them. They don't want to take any responsibility for themselves. "Oh well, if I lose my job, the govenment will take care of me." Sorry, but that's NOT the govenment's job! They're losing their jobs and houses because of Democratic policies. They're just too stupid to realize it. But, I'm wasting my breath, because we're just screwed. More and more people will now lose their job in the next two years than ever before, because the employers will not be able to afford to keep people on, period. Taxes on businesses is about to skyrocket and Obamacare is about to be fully implemented. These two thing will kill more jobs than anything you've ever seen. Virginia, a coal state went for Obama. He's already told them he's gonna shut down the coal industry. And they vote for him anyway? WTF? I don't feel sorry for any coal plant or mine that gets shut down in the next four years. I don't feel soory for any auto plant that g ****, I have to stop and get to work or I'm gonna lose my job. Have a good day. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!
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