John Brennan sworn in on historic first draft of Constitution

TheOak · 03-10-2013, 07:45 AM

Which just so happens to be the draft with no Bill of Rights or due process.

Nice try. This administration does some really 1/2 assed attempts. They either are absolute fools or think the public is.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/b...205110620.html

Rickh · 03-10-2013, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Which just so happens to be the draft with no Bill of Rights or due process.

Nice try. This administration does some really 1/2 assed attempts. They either are absolute fools or think the public is.

Brennan takes oath on draft Constitution

Nice try at what? Seriously does this nullify the entirely Bill of Rights or something? Attempts at what?

Non-story

TheOak · 03-10-2013, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Rickh

Nice try at what? Seriously does this nullify the entirely Bill of Rights or something? Attempts at what?

Non-story

Read what is in the news.... Normally it is a Bible, Brennan chose the Constitution and the White House is making a huge effort to focus on that.

I would hope that in order to make the "right statement" the head of the FBI would focus on making sure that the rights of the American people and the Judicial process are at the front of his mind.

You may think its a non story, for me the White House trying to put on a SHOW to prove a point, and their props being used are the incorrect props shows exactly how inept they are.

If they had a ****ing clue, or cared about the history of this country they wouldn't have left their flank wide open by using the version that didn't cover what is important.

Daily they prey on a voting populous that slept through American History.

dam1953 · 03-10-2013, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Read what is in the news.... Normally it is a Bible, Brennan chose the Constitution and the White House is making a huge effort to focus on that…….

Daily they pray on a voting populous that slept through American History.

T.O., I think you meant to say "Daily they prey on a voting populous.." God knows that this administration doesn't care about prayer or religous freedom. Obama only gives it lip service much like most other "nuisance" passages of the Constitution. I get the feeling that the narsasistic SOB realy believes that all worship should be directed towards him.

Just look at the dinner meeting he had with "12" Senate repuublicans last week.

Rickh · 03-10-2013, 06:07 PM

People sure do mention prayer and religion an awful lot in politics. I don't care what Obama's views on religion are. Our founding fathers made sure that it shouldn't matter, yet for some people it still does:

United States Constitution Article VI, paragraph 3 states:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

Rickh · 03-11-2013, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Read what is in the news.... Normally it is a Bible, Brennan chose the Constitution and the White House is making a huge effort to focus on that.

I would hope that in order to make the "right statement" the head of the FBI would focus on making sure that the rights of the American people and the Judicial process are at the front of his mind.

You may think its a non story, for me the White House trying to put on a SHOW to prove a point, and their props being used are the incorrect props shows exactly how inept they are.

If they had a ****ing clue, or cared about the history of this country they wouldn't have left their flank wide open by using the version that didn't cover what is important.

Daily they prey on a voting populous that slept through American History.

All I'm seeing is a lot of people implying that the Bill of Rights are excluded because taking this oath on a first draft constitution is some sort of "pinky-promise" by the Administration.

There was no greater grand-standing than 43 standing on the USS Lincoln declaring "Mission Accomplished" in 2003. Obama is no different than other presidents before him, yet the right-wing media treats all this like it is the first time.

TheOak · 03-11-2013, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Rickh

All I'm seeing is a lot of people implying that the Bill of Rights are excluded because taking this oath on a first draft constitution is some sort of "pinky-promise" by the Administration.

There was no greater grand-standing than 43 standing on the USS Lincoln declaring "Mission Accomplished" in 2003. Obama is no different than other presidents before him, yet the right-wing media treats all this like it is the first time.

There is no pinky promise. Brennan chose the Constitution over the bible because he wanted to give the perception to the Constitutionalists that he holds the Constitution at the highest authority... The bible normally being used to symbolized that God is the highest authority in affirmations. I honestly think that this a gaff, and no one knew that this version didn't not contain the BoR.

If this is not the case then a true debate would be to explain why Brennan chose to identify with a different higher authority that did not contain the Bill of Rights? In either case some thought was put into this and the first draft of the Constitution was not used because it happened to be laying around closer than a bible.

In regards to your retort:
How long exactly will Liberals justify Obama and his administrations actions with "they did it too"? This is just a round about way of blaming previous administrations. I understand that if someone else is to blame no one ever has to be held accountable....

Is there any desire to start making the right decisions, or shall we just looping history because it was done before?

I believe I pointed out in your first thread that I am not interested in discussions where the whipping boy is either the source of the news or Bush. Telling me "Bush did it also" is the same as telling me "another liberal did it"...

Rickh · 03-11-2013, 10:49 AM

it is rather convenient to label Bush a liberal. I get it, I really do. Republicans had it all when Bush was elected though and revising who did what 12 years ago don't make this go away.

Bush is around your neck though not just because of his failed policies but because the GOP controlled EVERYTHING from 2000-2006. Don't call the policies liberal. Call this Neo-Conservative/ or Social Conservative policies. Everything was in the hands of Republicans and to try to revise Bush by calling him "liberal" is pretty ridiculous.

Own him dude, he's one of you.

TheOak · 03-11-2013, 11:24 AM

Stop looking at the letter by someone's name and look at his policy.

Bush was liberal on immigration and spending.

You still haven't addressed Brennan's gaff.

Rickh · 03-11-2013, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Stop looking at the letter by someone's name and look at his policy.

Bush was liberal on immigration and spending.

You still haven't addressed Brennan's gaff.

He wasn't "liberal" on spending because of what he was spending money on. If Bush would have introduced Great Society II I'd agree with you. He didn't. He created a new govt. agency (Homeland Security) which to date has spent more than nearly a Trillion dollars. He "liberally" spent money on two wars and unprecedented Defense spending increases. "Wow, get a job hippie" comes to mind I guess.

This huge spending increase is product of the Neo-Conservative movement's foriegn policy debacles took hold under W. They didn't even include much of this spending into the budget until after Obama took office. These were said to be "off book" just long enough to put the blame on Obama. Don't get me started on Bush's "Social Conservative" leanings.

Was he liberal? Hardly.

I know you want to disassociate yourself from these other brands of "conservatives" and I don't blame you. They drive policy and direction in the Republican party though, and are often it's worse enemy.

03-10-2013, 07:45 AM	#1
TheOak Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 7,723	John Brennan sworn in on historic first draft of Constitution Which just so happens to be the draft with no Bill of Rights or due process. Nice try. This administration does some really 1/2 assed attempts. They either are absolute fools or think the public is. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/b...205110620.html Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

03-10-2013, 09:05 AM	#2
Rickh Not here 2agree Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 567	Re: John Brennan sworn in on historic first draft of Constitution Originally Posted by TheOak Which just so happens to be the draft with no Bill of Rights or due process. Nice try. This administration does some really 1/2 assed attempts. They either are absolute fools or think the public is. Brennan takes oath on draft Constitution Nice try at what? Seriously does this nullify the entirely Bill of Rights or something? Attempts at what? Non-story Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

03-10-2013, 10:05 AM	#3
TheOak Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 7,723	Originally Posted by Rickh Nice try at what? Seriously does this nullify the entirely Bill of Rights or something? Attempts at what? Non-story Read what is in the news.... Normally it is a Bible, Brennan chose the Constitution and the White House is making a huge effort to focus on that. I would hope that in order to make the "right statement" the head of the FBI would focus on making sure that the rights of the American people and the Judicial process are at the front of his mind. You may think its a non story, for me the White House trying to put on a SHOW to prove a point, and their props being used are the incorrect props shows exactly how inept they are. If they had a ****ing clue, or cared about the history of this country they wouldn't have left their flank wide open by using the version that didn't cover what is important. Daily they prey on a voting populous that slept through American History. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!
	You should expect some in my replies. Last edited by TheOak; 03-11-2013 at 08:15 AM..

03-10-2013, 03:43 PM	#4
dam1953 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 232	Re: John Brennan sworn in on historic first draft of Constitution Originally Posted by TheOak Read what is in the news.... Normally it is a Bible, Brennan chose the Constitution and the White House is making a huge effort to focus on that……. Daily they pray on a voting populous that slept through American History. T.O., I think you meant to say "Daily they prey on a voting populous.." God knows that this administration doesn't care about prayer or religous freedom. Obama only gives it lip service much like most other "nuisance" passages of the Constitution. I get the feeling that the narsasistic SOB realy believes that all worship should be directed towards him. Just look at the dinner meeting he had with "12" Senate repuublicans last week. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

03-10-2013, 06:07 PM	#5
Rickh Not here 2agree Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 567	Re: John Brennan sworn in on historic first draft of Constitution People sure do mention prayer and religion an awful lot in politics. I don't care what Obama's views on religion are. Our founding fathers made sure that it shouldn't matter, yet for some people it still does: United States Constitution Article VI, paragraph 3 states: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook! Turbo Saint likes this.

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03-11-2013, 10:17 AM	#6
Rickh Not here 2agree Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 567	Re: John Brennan sworn in on historic first draft of Constitution Originally Posted by TheOak Read what is in the news.... Normally it is a Bible, Brennan chose the Constitution and the White House is making a huge effort to focus on that. I would hope that in order to make the "right statement" the head of the FBI would focus on making sure that the rights of the American people and the Judicial process are at the front of his mind. You may think its a non story, for me the White House trying to put on a SHOW to prove a point, and their props being used are the incorrect props shows exactly how inept they are. If they had a ****ing clue, or cared about the history of this country they wouldn't have left their flank wide open by using the version that didn't cover what is important. Daily they prey on a voting populous that slept through American History. All I'm seeing is a lot of people implying that the Bill of Rights are excluded because taking this oath on a first draft constitution is some sort of "pinky-promise" by the Administration. There was no greater grand-standing than 43 standing on the USS Lincoln declaring "Mission Accomplished" in 2003. Obama is no different than other presidents before him, yet the right-wing media treats all this like it is the first time. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

03-11-2013, 10:32 AM	#7
TheOak Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 7,723	Re: John Brennan sworn in on historic first draft of Constitution Originally Posted by Rickh All I'm seeing is a lot of people implying that the Bill of Rights are excluded because taking this oath on a first draft constitution is some sort of "pinky-promise" by the Administration. There was no greater grand-standing than 43 standing on the USS Lincoln declaring "Mission Accomplished" in 2003. Obama is no different than other presidents before him, yet the right-wing media treats all this like it is the first time. There is no pinky promise. Brennan chose the Constitution over the bible because he wanted to give the perception to the Constitutionalists that he holds the Constitution at the highest authority... The bible normally being used to symbolized that God is the highest authority in affirmations. I honestly think that this a gaff, and no one knew that this version didn't not contain the BoR. If this is not the case then a true debate would be to explain why Brennan chose to identify with a different higher authority that did not contain the Bill of Rights? In either case some thought was put into this and the first draft of the Constitution was not used because it happened to be laying around closer than a bible. In regards to your retort: How long exactly will Liberals justify Obama and his administrations actions with "they did it too"? This is just a round about way of blaming previous administrations. I understand that if someone else is to blame no one ever has to be held accountable.... Is there any desire to start making the right decisions, or shall we just looping history because it was done before? I believe I pointed out in your first thread that I am not interested in discussions where the whipping boy is either the source of the news or Bush. Telling me "Bush did it also" is the same as telling me "another liberal did it"... Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!
	You should expect some in my replies.

03-11-2013, 10:49 AM	#8
Rickh Not here 2agree Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 567	Re: John Brennan sworn in on historic first draft of Constitution it is rather convenient to label Bush a liberal. I get it, I really do. Republicans had it all when Bush was elected though and revising who did what 12 years ago don't make this go away. Bush is around your neck though not just because of his failed policies but because the GOP controlled EVERYTHING from 2000-2006. Don't call the policies liberal. Call this Neo-Conservative/ or Social Conservative policies. Everything was in the hands of Republicans and to try to revise Bush by calling him "liberal" is pretty ridiculous. Own him dude, he's one of you. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

03-11-2013, 11:24 AM	#9
TheOak Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 7,723	Stop looking at the letter by someone's name and look at his policy. Bush was liberal on immigration and spending. You still haven't addressed Brennan's gaff. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

03-11-2013, 12:59 PM	#10
Rickh Not here 2agree Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 567	Re: John Brennan sworn in on historic first draft of Constitution Originally Posted by TheOak Stop looking at the letter by someone's name and look at his policy. Bush was liberal on immigration and spending. You still haven't addressed Brennan's gaff. He wasn't "liberal" on spending because of what he was spending money on. If Bush would have introduced Great Society II I'd agree with you. He didn't. He created a new govt. agency (Homeland Security) which to date has spent more than nearly a Trillion dollars. He "liberally" spent money on two wars and unprecedented Defense spending increases. "Wow, get a job hippie" comes to mind I guess. This huge spending increase is product of the Neo-Conservative movement's foriegn policy debacles took hold under W. They didn't even include much of this spending into the budget until after Obama took office. These were said to be "off book" just long enough to put the blame on Obama. Don't get me started on Bush's "Social Conservative" leanings. Was he liberal? Hardly. I know you want to disassociate yourself from these other brands of "conservatives" and I don't blame you. They drive policy and direction in the Republican party though, and are often it's worse enemy. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

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