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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; ... there were a lot of ticky-tacky calls in the game, and they went both ways - lots of very "strict" interference calls... obviously the non-call at the half and the call at the end were huge.... I don't know ...

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Old 10-16-2005, 10:42 PM   #21
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... there were a lot of ticky-tacky calls in the game, and they went both ways - lots of very "strict" interference calls... obviously the non-call at the half and the call at the end were huge.... I don't know if leverage is only called when a player pushes up a teammate and not an opposing player, though...

.. but I'll tell ya... as long as Jim Haslett keeps on spewing personal insults at the referees, the Saints will be flagged for things like the last penalty... the last call, yes it happens all the time, and it usually isn't called... but I can easily see a linesman seeing the play and thinking to himself" let's see who the a-hole is now, Jimbo"...

it is one thing to question a call, call it bs, raise your voice, and quite another call refs a-holes to their faces and tell them "f* you" and whatnot. They're human... you wouldn't like anyone in any situation call you names...
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Old 10-16-2005, 10:46 PM   #22
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Hopefully they will be humans without jobs. If the NFL won't discipline poor officiating then the whole league is a sham anyway. Much like the NBA has become now with the poor officiating.
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Old 10-16-2005, 10:54 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by stockman311
Hopefully they will be humans without jobs. If the NFL won't discipline poor officiating then the whole league is a sham anyway. Much like the NBA has become now with the poor officiating.
... why not discipline bad coaching first?

Like I said, the call at the end was legit, and the non-call at the end of the half, I don't believe leaping is called when you push up an opponent...

..speaking of the NBA, it's not poor officiating that itts killing it, it is poor play...
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Old 10-17-2005, 07:51 AM   #24
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RE: THE REFS JOBED US AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

Well Saints played a good game and they should have had the game but some stupid calls are why we lost besides the 2 fumbles returned for touchdowns the freakin falcons were not in the game and STUPID REFS CALLIN STUPID CALLS and that one the said holding on Joe Horn that must have been a mistake or something, but wow freakin Dante Hall fell and thats wat made them had to thrwo the flag Hakim didnt even touch him.
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:53 AM   #25
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Tobias, you are always an intelligent poster, but I have to go against you on this.

Is our coaching consistently suspect? Yes.

But, in this case, we outplayed this team. Any Saints fan who is anything less than outraged at yesterday's events needs to have their fan card revoked.

The Hakim call.

Even if he reached for the ball and Hall got knocked down as a result (which is not what happened, but I think that's what the official was calling) the receiver has a right to the ball. All Hakim did was reach for the ball and it hit him right in the hands. He made no move outside of putting his hands up for the ball. That was the worst offensive interference call I have ever seen. Just inexcusable.

Did the Saints magnify the call by going backwards and allowing a block? Absolutely, but it never should have come to that. This team has had enough trouble in the red zone without this kind of garbage happening.


The blocked kick.

I am not sure how this rule reads, but I blame this play more on the guy that got hurdled on our line. Again, it should have never come to this. But....it is my understanding that the rule is there to keep a player from using another player to get up in the air for a block. He just jumped over our guy. I thought it was a clean play.


The missed field goal.

The single worst penalty I have ever seen in my life. I called sports radio in Atl and they said "if anybody is gonna get calls it's the Saints". Well, that's what I thought going into this year too. Obviously, I was wrong. I've watched NFL football for 25 years, at least a full game a week. I think I have seen that call 1 or 2 times and it is normally on a play where the kick is blocked as a result of the infraction. Look at the replay.....it's just a big pile of guys. Why make that call? WHY? It is really amazing that, under the circumstances we're in, this sort of stuff still happens. Talk about a knife in the heart.

And Tobias, I know what you're saying about Haz d!cking on the refs. But, seriously, this was an enormous game. We would have actually been ahead of the Falcons had we won. We would have been 2-0 in the division. What do you expect him to say? He's trying to win games under pretty unusual circumstances. He knows that his team is not the Colts/Pats/Steelers/Eagles or even Falcons. This team was probably a 9-7 team, best case, before yesterday. We're just not in a position to have games taken from us. We're not good enough.

Where's the mercy NFL? Don't give us games, but for Christ's sake, don't take em away.
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Old 10-17-2005, 01:10 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by yasoon
Tobias, you are always an intelligent poster, but I have to go against you on this.

Is our coaching consistently suspect? Yes.

But, in this case, we outplayed this team. Any Saints fan who is anything less than outraged at yesterday's events needs to have their fan card revoked.

The Hakim call.

Even if he reached for the ball and Hall got knocked down as a result (which is not what happened, but I think that's what the official was calling) the receiver has a right to the ball. All Hakim did was reach for the ball and it hit him right in the hands. He made no move outside of putting his hands up for the ball. That was the worst offensive interference call I have ever seen. Just inexcusable.

Did the Saints magnify the call by going backwards and allowing a block? Absolutely, but it never should have come to that. This team has had enough trouble in the red zone without this kind of garbage happening.


The blocked kick.

I am not sure how this rule reads, but I blame this play more on the guy that got hurdled on our line. Again, it should have never come to this. But....it is my understanding that the rule is there to keep a player from using another player to get up in the air for a block. He just jumped over our guy. I thought it was a clean play.


The missed field goal.

The single worst penalty I have ever seen in my life. I called sports radio in Atl and they said "if anybody is gonna get calls it's the Saints". Well, that's what I thought going into this year too. Obviously, I was wrong. I've watched NFL football for 25 years, at least a full game a week. I think I have seen that call 1 or 2 times and it is normally on a play where the kick is blocked as a result of the infraction. Look at the replay.....it's just a big pile of guys. Why make that call? WHY? It is really amazing that, under the circumstances we're in, this sort of stuff still happens. Talk about a knife in the heart.

And Tobias, I know what you're saying about Haz d!cking on the refs. But, seriously, this was an enormous game. We would have actually been ahead of the Falcons had we won. We would have been 2-0 in the division. What do you expect him to say? He's trying to win games under pretty unusual circumstances. He knows that his team is not the Colts/Pats/Steelers/Eagles or even Falcons. This team was probably a 9-7 team, best case, before yesterday. We're just not in a position to have games taken from us. We're not good enough.

Where's the mercy NFL? Don't give us games, but for Christ's sake, don't take em away.
... thank you for the kind words

... don't get me wrong, I'm as frustrated as anyone in the outcome of the game... but when you ask why the referees threw that flag at the end of the game, there is no question in my mind that it was payback for all the personal insults that Haslett spews every single games towards the referees... one thing is to say "that was a stupid call", or "what the f* was that?", another is to say "f* you, a-hole"...

Even if that play is not usually flagged by the referees, I cannot direct my frustration towards the ref who flagged it against the Saints, because it is a legit call...

..and on the blocked field goal, where was the red flag? Haslett and company just stood there stunned, let the Falcons kick the extra pointl, and went into the the locker room shouting "f* you, a-holes!!".. call a freaking time out, throw the red flag, call the ref over just to give the reviewing booth some time to think about it.. no, "f* you, a-hole" is all we get from our illustrious coach... like I said before, I don't know if leaping is only called when you push up a teammmate, but still...

.. referees are humans, and they are going to make bad calls... how many times have you seen a play, thinking is a catch or a fumble, just to look at the super slo-mo replay and find out you were wrong? Well, same thing happens to the referees all the time. They will not call what they don't see, and sometimes will not call what they see; why sometimes they don't call what they see? Not hard to figure out...

.. I have nothing against a good sidelines tyrade, but the head coach has to be smart about it. You ask me how I want Haslett to reach? Look at Mike Soscia.. You know the guy was burning up inside after that call on the second game of the series, but he's the head coach (manager). Not only he has to set the example for his players, he has to play more refereed games. You already are playing against a very good team. Why add the referees to the fight against you?
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Old 10-17-2005, 01:12 PM   #27
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as long as Jim Haslett keeps on spewing personal insults at the referees, the Saints will be flagged for things like the last penalty...
Yeppers.



And Tobias, I know what you're saying about Haz d!cking on the refs. But, seriously, this was an enormous game. We would have actually been ahead of the Falcons had we won. We would have been 2-0 in the division. What do you expect him to say?
The officials come into the game with a hard-on for Haz. His abuse is known league-wide. He loses it with officials. He loses it with his team. He was so busy pounding Brooks for not throwing a pass away that he lost track of the game and down and the Falcons brought him back to reality by calling a time out. His hot head is a negative, not a positive. It may be to the point where it contributes to loses. I dunno...


Just a thought.


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Old 10-17-2005, 01:58 PM   #28
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I agree

I agree that Haslett is a hothead and i wish he were more like a certain Patriots coach.
That does not take away the fact that the refs jobbed us. Are they holding grudges against Haslett? Do they hold them against the Raiders as a team?
If so, they should be fired.
This is tantamount to an air traffic controller constantly putting a 747 at the back of a landing rotation because he doesn't like the pilot's attitude. You aren't just hurting the coach you are hurting an entire organization and region of the country when you don't call a game fairly.
I won't rehash how many calls they missed, but the Refs won that game for the Falcons yesterday and I have a much harder time letting this one go than I do the 52-3 loss a week earlier.
I feel like my house was robbed while I had to sit there and watch it happen.
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Old 10-17-2005, 02:15 PM   #29
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I'll even take my comments a step further...

It's possible that Haz's tirades, especially against his players, contribute to poor relations with his players as well as the performance of his team. Not to mention his hot head during games. Even the announcers in the Falcons game, on at least one occasion when Haz was breathin' fire, said he needed to get his head back in the game.

Early in the game I mentioned to Mrs. TallySaint that Haz might need to "keep his 'friggin' yap shut and coach". I was so frustrated in the second half that I probably "out-F bombed" even him. I was in rare form after watching the 'Noles-Va game Saturday night.

I'm not saying Haslett's temper is the sole reason for Saints' losses. I am saying it may be one of many contributing factors. The head coach's temperament, on any team, contributes to the mindset and cohesiveness of the team - on many levels.


My 2 cents.


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Old 10-17-2005, 03:49 PM   #30
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I agree that Haz loses his head and it works against us.

My point is that, yesterday, I understood.

I went in to the game predicting a 27-24 Falcons win. Better team, better coach, better organization. I was prepared to chalk up the loss. What I was not prepared for was us running up and down the field on them, neutralizing Vick, containing the run....all to lose the game on 2 calls that swung the game a total of 17 points.

Sure, there will be bad calls. I've watched enough football to know that. But where's our call to make up for this dogsh1t? Where is the call that beats the Falcons? I don't see it.

This has gone on ever since Vick came in. Remember the TD pass to Gaylor where Whitehead was held right in front of the ref? No call. Martin Chase touches Vicks helmet with his pinky finger trying to block a pass and gets a 15 yarder. Crumpler throws down his man last year on the game winning touchdown....no call.

I've totally had it with these a$$holes. America's team? Blow me. You would think there would be a memo out to at least not make touchy calls on this team. This is a disgrace. All I ask for is truth and justice in officiating. The 2 biggest plays of this game were a direct result of poor officiating.

And Mike Scoscia? Well, he charged the freakiing field this year when his pitcher was caught using an illegal glove, so it's all about your frame of reference. And since we're talking baseball, Cox has spent years teeing off on umps and his pitchers usually don't suffer for it.

The Falcons are the new darlings of the NFL and yesterday it was at our expense.

Did anyone see the Falcons Eagles game? Hall ripped off a guy's helmet and spiked it on the field. Trotter gets ejected, Hall gets to play and be player of the game. He got a pick on what should have been a spearing/roughing the passer play on Lavalais. Hall is the same guy who "drew" the offensive pass interference call by falling down in the endzone. When is the last time anyone saw a Saint benefit from this type of crap in his whole career? Hall has done it over the course of 6 game this season.


Sometimes you have to shake off calls. Not this one. Not me. I'm calling for injuries to all Falcons starters except Dunn (class act).

The bottom line is this. I watch NFL because it is the highest level of Football. I expect the best of the players. I also expect the refs to perform at a high level and to be invisible on questionable calls. Those plays yesterday were as bad as I have ever seen. I refuse to blame coaches when my team flat out dominated the other team. Sure, you have to move on, but this game was a chance to really get off the deck and make something of our season.

I refuse to sit by and not be outraged by having my team treated like the dregs of the NFL. The Falcons are 4-2, we are 2-4. The Falcons have now been handed 2 NFL games by the refs. I want my goddamn game back from these bastards.
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