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AllSaints 11-18-2005 06:38 AM

Is Deuce really the answer at RB ???
 
I mean i like Deuce and all but past few years he has just been and injury on the team literally he is injured most of the time. He barely got 1000 yards last year he isnt running like he use to i dont no wats wrong with him but we signed him and joe horn to long term and i no deuce has been out and horn has been out for a little while but they havent contributed to the team like i wanted them tooo.....

But i guess it all falls back to its brooks fault ????

stylee10 11-18-2005 08:36 AM

RE: Is Deuce really the answer at RB ???
 
I think Deuce is the answer. He's been struggling as of late but the guy is obviously a top-tier running back. We can whine about his injuries but his backups have been solid too.
I think it's waaaaaaaay to early to stick the fork in him, draft/sign someone else, and watch them run for 45 yards per game.

Euphoria 11-18-2005 09:40 AM

RE: Is Deuce really the answer at RB ???
 
No we have already been discussing Deuce's time is up, he needs to go we haven't gone anywheres with him. He seems slower the injuries keep piling up, I think we can go in a different direction. We need to rebuild this team from the top to the bottom, a complete overhaul.

TheDeuce 11-18-2005 01:55 PM

RE: Is Deuce really the answer at RB ???
 
I still think Deuce can be the RB that he was a few years ago. He needs to lose some serious weight, hit the weight room, and try and gain back some of that speed that he lost in the last few years. If he can slim down, I think he'll be more streamlined and more able to carry this offense like he used to,

Euphoria 11-18-2005 02:11 PM

RE: Is Deuce really the answer at RB ???
 
This is a major misconception about speed... you either have it or you don't and the older you get the more quicker you lose it. You can work on building your speed but you're going going to have a VAST improvement.

Euphoria 11-18-2005 02:17 PM

RE: Is Deuce really the answer at RB ???
 
I'd said it before I'll say it again we should have gone after Tatum Bell.

papz 11-18-2005 02:23 PM

RE: Is Deuce really the answer at RB ???
 
If Reggie Bush is there at our draft position, can anyone see us pulling a Ricky Williams type trade again? Let Deuce play another full year with Bush as a backup and the year after trade Deuce... will another team be willing to take on such a huge contract?

Actually I'll answer that... no another team will not be willing to take that on. So basically if we're "stuck" with a healthy(key word) Deuce for the next 4 or 5 years, you won't see a frown on my face. A 100% Deuce McAllister is as good as any other running back out there. It would suck if we do pass on a Bush and Deuce continues with his nagging injuries every year though. Tough decision and something that needs to be thought long and hard about during the offseason.

Euphoria 11-18-2005 05:19 PM

RE: Is Deuce really the answer at RB ???
 
I disagree, if a team is in need of a RB and they got him on a long-term deal... thats better than getting a RB with 1 year left on his contract.

Tobias-Reiper 11-18-2005 06:20 PM

... well, he surely wasn't the answer last season, nor this one for that matter...

.. the Saints got him because he was perceived as being injury-prone... may be he is injury prone after all...

...looking forward, is more of a gamble that anything else. If he stays healthy, he's as good as any... if he keeps on getting nicked every year, well... I love Dulymus' attitude, so I hope he's given at least another year.

Milians 11-18-2005 06:28 PM

Pick Bush if he's there and let the two players complement each other. Like Dunn and Duckett, or Bell and Anderson. Bush is hands down the best prospect in this years draft if he chooses to forego his senior year at USC. Too good to pass up.

AllSaints 11-18-2005 10:15 PM

Re: Is Deuce really the answer at RB ???
 
Quote:

the guy is obviously a top-tier running back
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What makes you say that he had 1 good year that dosent make him the best....

frankeefrank 11-19-2005 03:03 AM

All I know is...
 
Deuce is still ranked 112th in my fantasy football league and he hasn't played in weeks.

spkb25 11-19-2005 08:16 AM

i had said this exact thing a couple of games into the season. he doesn't look like the same back to me. when is the last big run he had. i haven't seen him break one in a long time. i think the injuries have taken their tole. now you are looking at an injury that may slow him next year. i think he can be the back. i do, especially if we bring in a new coaching staff but whether he is the same back or not might be two years away. if we don't get fooled again this year and have the usual haz late season surge to save his job and we can pick early enugh and reggie is there i don't think there is any way you can't pick the guy up. he may be the best football player in the draft. the guy is amazing and to me would be an LT type player in that he can do everything. i mean the guy can line up at wideout like a westbrook and is a ten times better running back. the guy is special and barring injury in my opinion will be one of those type of players you just don't see in the league that often. there is no way you can pass him up. to be honest i am not picking a qb if i am the saints with that first pick, because if it is high enough you pick up reggie bush. i mean man i would even trade deuce to move up in the round ( and obviously a couple of other picks too) and get bush.

Tobias-Reiper 11-19-2005 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25
i mean man i would even trade deuce to move up in the round ... and get bush.

..don't you dare leaving me an open line like that again :)

BoudinSandwich 11-19-2005 09:25 AM

It's way too uncertain for me to tell. Deuce's performance has seemed to slack, but he has a new offensive coordinator and the entire Saints team can't run block to save their own lives. The run blocking has been horrendous on offense and special teams.

stylee10 11-19-2005 11:00 AM

I'd love to take Bush. Look at Duckett/Dunn, Holmes/Johnson, etc. Especially with somone as versatile as Bush.
The problem with that is really the contracts. I really don't know much about the cap and all that, but I do know Deuce makes some serious moolah and Bush would definitely command some too.

Maybe Deuce's injuries have been because of being out of shape or lazy, I don't know. If I had more insight into the situation I'd be able to say with confidence that we should trade him or not. What would we get in exchange? The way star running backs have been going so cheaply lately doesn't inspire much hope in me.


I wouldn't take a quarterback with our pick, that's for sure.

TheDeuce 11-19-2005 07:17 PM

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This is a major misconception about speed... you either have it or you don't and the older you get the more quicker you lose it. You can work on building your speed but you're going going to have a VAST improvement.
Sure, I agree with one thing: YOU CAN'T TEACH SPEED. But let's say first that Deuce is NOT old. He's 26. That's really quite young. Maybe if Deuce was 35, I would agree that he can't get that speed that he had a few years ago back. But, he's still young, and I really believe that he can get back to his old form. Sure, he does need to lose a pretty good amount of weight, and he really needs to train hard this offseason, but he can easily get it back. It's not like just because he got injured, he automatically lost his speed; that's just stupid. IF he can get healthy and slimmer, this guy is definitely the answer because he can do so many things: run inside, run outside, catch, and block. He's the total package at the RB position, but I might be starting to question his drive if he keeps coming into the season overweight and out of shape.


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