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Old 01-08-2006, 12:14 PM   #21
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Take the trade down and take the picks Build for the next two years in the draft.
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Old 01-08-2006, 12:21 PM   #22
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You people are incredible. A guy who is graded to be better than Eli Manning is available, and you don't want him? A guy who has everything a franchise with 13 losses needs is available, and you want to trade down for more picks?

Get four draft picks by trading down with a team in need of a QB who is in the 8th-12th pick range.
Who said any of those teams are willing to trade four picks for Leinart? Who even said that any of those teams need a quarterback, or are planning on addressing it in the first round? Maybe one of those teams does need a QB, but if we trade all the way down to the 8th-12th spot, who would we take then? Because by that time Hawk will be gone. Brick will be gone.

Either Collins, Kitna or Volek right now would be my only choices.
Kerry COllins is awful, we see what he's done with the Raiders. He's washed up. Kitna sucks. Volek is asking for big time money. Why are any of those good choices? THe quarterback position is the most important position in football, and you want to bring in a washed up old guy (Collins or Kitna) to lead this team? That's ridiculous. Matt Leinart is a proven winner who is going to be amazing. He's the poster boy for franchise player.

Everyone has been complaining here over the last couple of seasons that we needed to draft an impact linebacker of DT. Now, Leinhart is available and everyone thinks he will be the savior. Has everyone got the Hasbeen disease?
The Hasbeen disease? What exactly is that? If by Hasbeen disease you mean wanting to get a great quarterback in order to fill the biggest hole on our team, then yeah, I guess I have the Hasbeen disease. Right now our DTs are playing well, and we can always draft a good LB in the 2nd round. There are at least 5 quality outside LBs in this draft, and 3 quality MLBs in the draft, so I know that there will be some available at the 34th pick. But the drop off between Matt Leinart and Omar JAcobs is humongous. Our defense played well last year, well enough to show that our offense is what needs upgrading.

Hawk all the way. We will get extra picks and still get him and be able to draft a quality QB with the 34th pick overall. I still like Jacobs and I still like the trade with Oakland AB for Collins and maybe another pick or two in return.
How do you know we will be able to draft down and still get all these extra picks you keep talking about? Even if we did, there's still no way a team in their right mind can pass up on a guy like Leinart, a player who you can build a franchise around, in order to get a few extra picks that, knowing the Saints, won't even pan out. How could you justify that? Jacobs is pretty good... in the MAC. And from what I hear, he has as many or more injury problems than Leinart, so where were you going with that? And please don't talk about this trade for Collins. That's just being idealistic. Kerry Collins isn't worth the toilet paper he wipes his old arse with. We might get a 6th or 7th rounder for him.
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Who said any of those teams are willing to trade four picks for Leinart? Who even said that any of those teams need a quarterback, or are planning on addressing it in the first round? Maybe one of those teams does need a QB, but if we trade all the way down to the 8th-12th spot, who would we take then? Because by that time Hawk will be gone. Brick will be gone.
I only said that scenario IF Leinart pulled an Eli on us.
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Old 01-08-2006, 12:33 PM   #24
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Also, I think you guys are just making up injuries, or blowing minor injuries out of proportion. I don't think he's missed a game in several years.
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Old 01-08-2006, 12:35 PM   #25
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i didnt make it up... they said it on nfl countdown... dont u watch TV?
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Old 01-08-2006, 12:59 PM   #26
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i didnt make it up... they said it on nfl countdown... dont u watch TV?
O.K., even if he is hurt, that should be more reason to take him. If he plays that good hurt, just think of what he can do healthy!

Guys, we can get a stud LB in the 2nd: Bobby Carpenter, Abdul Hodge- one of them will be there.

We can't afford to pass on a franchise QB the likes of Leinart. We haven't had a shot at a top QB prospect since Archie & now we're talking Trade Down? That's been the franchise's problem for years. Break the cycle-Draft with sense!!!!!!
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Old 01-08-2006, 01:00 PM   #27
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The Hasbeen disease? What exactly is that? If by Hasbeen disease you mean wanting to get a great quarterback in order to fill the biggest hole on our team, then yeah, I guess I have the Hasbeen disease. Right now our DTs are playing well, and we can always draft a good LB in the 2nd round. There are at least 5 quality outside LBs in this draft, and 3 quality MLBs in the draft, so I know that there will be some available at the 34th pick. But the drop off between Matt Leinart and Omar JAcobs is humongous. Our defense played well last year, well enough to show that our offense is what needs upgrading.
Where you keep holding out hope that a player is the savior of the team, like Hasbeen did with AB. Have you been paying attention, or like Hasbeen did with Cie Crant or Bouman or many other players. One player is not going to make our team better.

How do you know we will be able to draft down and still get all these extra picks you keep talking about? Even if we did, there's still no way a team in their right mind can pass up on a guy like Leinart, a player who you can build a franchise around, in order to get a few extra picks that, knowing the Saints, won't even pan out. How could you justify that? Jacobs is pretty good... in the MAC. And from what I hear, he has as many or more injury problems than Leinart, so where were you going with that? And please don't talk about this trade for Collins. That's just being idealistic. Kerry Collins isn't worth the toilet paper he wipes his old arse with. We might get a 6th or 7th rounder for him.
Do you think that the Titans want Leinhart or anyone other team for that matter. Even if another team did take Hawk after we traded down we could still take another one of those other quality linebacker you mentioned.

and you talk about being idealistic, you are the one that still thinks Deuce is all that and a bag of chips. Deuce will never be what he once was. He does not have the work ethic to do so. We will hold onto him being "idealistic" just like we did with AB and won't get shiiiittttt.

But I guess it's ok for you to be idealistic isn't it?

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Old 01-08-2006, 01:02 PM   #28
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think Collins still has three to four seasons left in him. I know he had a bad year, but he was asked to do something that I think he has never been good at anyway
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Whats that win?
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Old 01-08-2006, 01:04 PM   #29
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if he is really injured... which i really dont know if he is or not... i just sayin what they said... then it is that much more likely that he will reaggrivate the injury if it hasnt properly healed an we will be F***ed again...
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Hey Sarge, what thread did that come from?
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