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well cherm it also takes a good o line along with that great d. then you are as they say in buisness

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and i agree with that, but doesn't a great d with a great qb do much better?

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Last time I checked Kyle Boller is still a starting QB in the league. I still think Joey Harrington could become a good QB if a team put him in the right situation. Michael Vick is a good QB. He's a Pro-Bowler isn't he? YOu want to say he's not a good QB, by arguing that he isn't really even a QB? That's such a dumb argument that I don't even know what to say to it. He's never played any other position, so what do you want him to be? He's a quarterback tard, just accept it. And a little bit of success? I would say getting to the NFC championship successful, not to mention he's also made the playoffs in other years. Byron Leftwich isn't good? HAHAHAHAHA. Get a clue T-R. This guy is a top tier quarterback in this league. I guess being 9th in the league in passing efficiency isn't good? Yeah, that's really crappy. So you're wrong again. Rex Grossman is a good QB, he just has some injury problems. That's why he comes back from injury and immediately is handed the reigns of his team. Culpepper has been one of the top 3 QBs in the NFL the last few years. He had a bad year because his entire game plan changed. If it's sooooo easy to just throw it up to Randy Moss and make yourself successful, then why couldn't Collins do it? Oh yeah that's right, it takes a little more skill than that. So, guess what, you're wrong again. Culpepper had to make good throws, and he made them to all of his receivers, not just to Moss. Look what he did to us. That's at least 3 quarterbacks that you were wrong about. And you're going to try and weasel your way out of saying that Eli is good because "he doesn't have enough experience." Well he has 2 full years in the NFL and this year led his team to the playoffs, I would consider that successful.

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And how about you look up the percentage of quarterbacks drafted after the first round that become successful. I would bet you 100 bucks that the percentage of QBs drafted after the first round that are successful is DRASTICALLY lower than the number of successful quarterbacks drafted in the first round.

I did exaggerate on the success rate of first round QBs, I'll give you that one T-R. However, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point is that, out of all the QBs drafted in later rounds, only a few become successful, while QBs drafted in the first round have a higher success rate. The only reason people think that later round QBs have a good chance of becoming successful is because you hear about all of the success stories, but you never hear about the hundreds of guys who get drafted later in the draft and become permanent backups or drop out after a year or two. Would you agree?

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you have said the exact same things about VY.... so whats ur answer for that....

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VY is no Michael Vick that's for sure. Probably the same arm strength, but Vick could burn VY any day of the week

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And actually Pak that's one of the reasons why I don't want VY is because he's not as fast, not nearly as elusive as Vick, and doesn't have the suddenness that Vick has that allows him to beat defenders to the corner like no other player in the NFL can. But hey pak, don't take my word for it, listen to an NFL scout:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insid...ris&id=2281337

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he is also a much better passer then MV at this stage of his career.....

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I will give you that... but the reason why MV is so successful is because of his speed. Would you agree with that? And if that's the kind of player VY is (especially in that option offense that he played in at UT), then he's going to have some trouble. VY is a very good player Pak, anybody who says otherwise doesn't have any sense. But I would still take Leinart because I believe pocket passers have a better chance of success in this league. That's my opinion. You might have a different one, and I respect that. I just don't believe that VY will be able to run in the pros like he did in college.

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see... i think that statement is true... pocket passers have had more success in the league... but mostly b/c there have been more pocket passers then scramblers....most qbs in the league are white.. n they dont have the great scrambling ability of a black qb... some do... but not to the ability of a vick or a VY