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Why pick a qb?
I've been reading alot of yall's comments, and it seems that the majority think that the saints should draft young or linehart. Don't these people realize that young and linehart will NOT play this season; and even if they do, they're aren't going to be any good. I think the saints should build up their defense, a la the bears, and get by with a veteran qb like volek from the titans, griese from the bucs, or garrard from the jags. I know we would have to trade a draft pick, but it might be worth it.
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RE: Why pick a qb?
So when would it be a right time to draft a quarterback?
The Bears didn't exactly build their defense with high round picks... besides Urlacher and Harris (maybe Mike Brown), everyone else was drafted in the 3rd or after. The past couple of season two of their last 3 top picks were offensive players. So I don't see why we couldn't draft a quarterback and still build our defense. We definately need to sign a vet quarterback like Griese or Volek regardless if we draft a qb or not though... that's pretty much a given unless we want Brooks or a rookie starting. |
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Bah I was forgot Haynes was a first round pick... busted pick but I'm still wrong.
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RE: Why pick a qb?
interesting point papz
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I also think we need to trade down. I'm not saying that Young or Leinart won't be good pros, but history indicates the risk the draft presents. For every Peyton there's a Leaf, Shuler, Akili Smith, we could name players all day. The draft is a crap shoot and I think we could get great value from the second pick. Why not take a second round QB and bring in a veteran (Patrick Ramsey). Just my take on it
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And if we suck next year, draft Brady Quinn. He was the best pure passer I saw all year :shock:
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i still think our best option is to try and trade back and acquire more pics...if we drop back to say 5 or 6 we can probably get their 1st this year and a first next year plus other pics as well... then maybe move back even further... say to 13-15 and get even more....maybe acquire 3 firsts for next year.. including our own...
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Leinart has a history of injuries, an average arm, zero mobility, and played with the best skill players in the nation. Put Quinn in that offense and see what you get. Remember Quinn was a sophmore last year, many players make the turn in their junior year. Weiss is tremendous, but Tom Brady seems to be doing well without him. Weiss QB's aren't Tedford QB's, they flourish while with him and after him
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i've been shouting defense for years now. have to say, the most important piece of the puzzle also includes who is the head coach, and trying to get the circus of a frontoffice nfl calibre. it's said the next coach will decide the fate of aaron brooks, all the names of peoples rejects you guys have named aren't better than the hated brooks. the guy that hardly plays if ever, is always thought of as a improvement.
either take young at 2 if he is available, are trade down. because lienart isn't worth the risk and whomever said that neither is ready to start from day 1 is exactly right. picking either young or lienart means you've given up on having a winning season that year and are willing to take the growing pains. trade down get a extra 2nd this year and a 1st or 2nd next year. take either a lb or dt in round 1 and whichever of those you don't take in the 2nd round. |
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is that garbage i smell? trade brooks, and take 4 steps backwards with guys that are worse? that makes sooo much sense to me. |
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and here i was thinking it was the entire team stinking up the joint, or the defense never being able to stop anybody are possibly someone coaching this team that shouldn't have been. if that the only problem is at qb, then heck just take either of the 2 qb's and trade the other picks away. |
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we can get a qb in the 2nd round...guys like dj shockley and omar jacobs will be available.....if linehart or young are busts, the saints will be back to where they are rightnow...plus given the fact that benson "lost" money this season, it worth saving a few million dollars and get a proven vet.
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I am assuming you would keep AB? Just a thought but I think I'm right! :broccoli: :broccoli: :broccoli: :broccoli: :broccoli: :broccoli: |
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we need a qb because the qb position has the greatest influence on the overall outcome on any team. it is the one position that can make or break a team. a team does not need a superstar to win, but they do need someone who can manage an offense.
the saints cannot afford to pass up on a qb that is ranked right up there with peyton manning. it may be 2 or 3 years before he completely takes over the team, but he can start right away and run the offense. the qb positon is the single most valuable position on a football team. when you need a qb and one of the most nfl ready college qbs in recent years is available you have to take him. especially when the draft is so incredibly deep at our other major need, linebacker. |
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Is it just me, or does this sound like a post from someone formally known as BlackOnBlack? |
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i'll be happy to answer that. if my choice doesn't include a upgrade at qb, and my next coach was someone that could get the most out of his players, stay in their butts demand perfection then the answer is yes. changing just for the sake of changing does what? nothing! if you're not changing for the better then leave it alone. |
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Notice a trend anybody? Every single one of those #1, #2, or #3 picks are still in the NFL and still starting. Sure you can go ahead and say, "Well, umm, well for every Peyton Manning there's a Ryan Leaf or a Jim Druckenmiller." Right. Look at the facts people. Go ahead, I dare you to stop being ignorant to the facts. The majority of the QBs that are drafted in the top 3 are studs. Sure there are great stories like Tom Brady or Marc Bulger, but if you want a safe bet, go with the QB with the #2 pick. The chances of having a successful QB pick in the top 3 are probably 75%. The chances of having a successful starting quarterback in the later rounds is probably 1/30. You guys are worried about a bust? Trust me, you'll get a bust if you pass up on Leinart, or even Young. |
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If you still can't get this through your thick skulls, let me show you a specific year, which is how it is almost every year in the NFL draft. In the 2004 draft, the top 3 QB picks in the first round were Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Big Ben. Two of those guys led their teams to the playoffs. One of them is still playing. And Rivers is still waiting to play, but apparently has a lot of promise due to all of the teams that want to trade for him. Now look at the other QBs drafted later in that draft...
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Hey Deuce, I am tired of explaining the samething over and over and over again. We don't have 2 or 3 years for a QB to develop, PERIOD. We need a veteran starter and Defense, Defense, Defense.
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win is that same guy that supported brooks non-stop all that time. what the hck was his name billy or something
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Then why do you keep talking about drafting Omar Jacobs?
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There's also a little thing called FA that we could use to fill defensive holes. |
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And defense? Last time I checked our defense finished 14th in the NFL. Our offense was ranked 31st or something. Which one sounds worse to you? Sure we could use a LB and another CB, but our offense needs MORE HELP. DO you understand that? |
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I disagree with the QB position having the most influence over the outcome of the game that is so wrong. If you have an offensive line to block for a good qb and a provide time for the QB and WR's... if you have a D that can prevent big plays then the QB becomes a cog in a wheel. Plummer isn't all that of a great QB and the team kicks ass.
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i am with you on that euph. i have said that for a long time ther is a formula that wins in the nfl play good d and be able to run the ball.
deuce are you talking to me about jacobs? |
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HAHA, good one Euph. Is "Offensive Line" a position? No, LT, LG, C, RG, and RT are positions. Offensive line is 5 players. Is "Defense" a position? No, defense is 11 players. Sure, an ENTIRE defense could make a QB not as important. But, one QB is more important than one LB.
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found this- CROATIAN ASSOCIATION OF DEAF-BLIND PERSONS, but couldn't find anything on the school you mentioned. |
i thought the patriots already had the second coming of joe
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Hawk would be the "Quarterback" of the defense. Plus, you pick up extra picks. Which is what we need. Leinart will be decent, but not a franchise QB. He's more Ken Dorsey than Carson Palmer
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dang, man nobody wants to get personal about this. we are simply giving you our opinions, gut feelings... we've seen this soooooooo many times from qb's that played with great talent around them at college and went into the nfl and were total busts. if we picked him my first reaction would be total disgust but i'm a saintfan and would cheer come sunday, but i would roast your butt in this forum once he screwed up. take it easy pal, no attack towards you. |
hey win so vince had no talent around him?
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didn't say that at all, and you this. you know what i said and what i meant, are you just bored? |
no but you are talking as if vince was a one man show at texas. i am not a matt fan either. whoever we get i am for but i don't like either. but i can't listen to how to all of the talent matt had as if vince had noone around him. althoghi ahve aid i am scared of matt to because of the amount of talent he had around him. but vince to em ran his way to being a great qb. he didn't throw his way there
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should have although i have to admit i am scared of mtt
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