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TallySaint 01-25-2006 12:13 PM

3-4, 4-3
Payton and Gibbs say they'll probably stick with the 4-3 for now. Possibly because Payton isn't completely sold on the 3-4.... or a transition to a 3-4 would eat up a buncha defensive aquisitions, picks and signees that could be better used to fill other needs, to build it. That's not a big chunk they want to bite off at present.

I don't know that much about Gibbs and how commited he is to the 3-4. He may be the 3-4 guru for all I know and convince Payton it's the way to go.

I'd say the 3-4 is possible, but not likely.

Your thoughts?


BlackandBlue 01-25-2006 12:26 PM

RE: 3-4, 4-3
Not even close to having the personnel to do this, I would think that would be a multi-year project to do the conversion. We do not have a true NT on this roster.

pakowitz 01-25-2006 12:40 PM

RE: 3-4, 4-3
im with BnB... we would need a Run stuffing DT to make the switch and we dont have anything closely resembling that....

TheDeuce 01-25-2006 01:04 PM

RE: 3-4, 4-3
Agreed. No true NT on this ball club. You need a huge 300+-pounder ideally for the nose tackle, a guy who can hold his own in the middle of the line. Right now our best DT is Brian Young, and he's even undersized for a 4-3. So that just won't work. Also, in considering a 3-4, you're talking about putting more linebackers out on the field. That would be pretty sweet, because I love the linebacker position, but there's just one problem. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ONE GOOD LINEBACKER!!!! much less four. Stick with the 4-3. The 3-4 would take several years to put together, and like Tally said, would be a waste of picks that could be used elsewhere.

BlackandBlue 01-25-2006 02:04 PM

RE: 3-4, 4-3
Find me a guy like Casey Hampton, then we can start talking 3-4 ;)

FatiusJeebs 01-25-2006 02:13 PM

I like the 3-4. I think that with the right personnel...the 3-4 is the formation. Find some really really really big linemen and some quick and versatile LB's and we are all good. I think that this formation provides the best mix up of pass and run coverage as well as confusion in terms of blitzing.

TallySaint 01-25-2006 02:16 PM

Thanks for your responses.

Coupla questions...

So we're saying 3-4 is out of the question and that scheme isn't important enough to implement because we don't have the personnel on the roster and it's not worth wasting picks or trade, etc.?

Do defenses generally, Saints aside, convert to 3-4 (or to 4-3) because their talent (or lack of) dictates so.... or coaching staffs think it's the best scheme?


FatiusJeebs 01-25-2006 02:28 PM

I think its about the players. You need for very quick and agile LB's and 3 of the biggest, heaviest, and staunchiest linemen up front to execute a good 3-4.

BlackandBlue 01-25-2006 02:29 PM

Combination of both. Parcells didn't even attempt to try an implementation of the 3-4 for the first few years of his tenure, because he was slowly adding the right people to make it work. But I would imagine that it was something that had been on his mind since he arrived.
I'm not all that concerned about the linebackers as I am the nose. It's not just about getting a fat guy in the middle, he's gotta have quick feet, and be able to move quick, in order to take on multiple linemen. He damn well better have good leverage and great moves. These guys are not that easy to find. If La'roi was 30lbs bigger, he would be perfect. He played the nose alot last year, and for a guy his size, did pretty decent.

jergensl 01-25-2006 02:29 PM

with our depth at DE we could put will smith as an olb.

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