I Smell a 3-4

mikesaintfan · 05-27-2006, 12:34 PM

pitsburg has some better LBs dont you think

gandhi1007 · 05-27-2006, 12:44 PM

pitsburg has some better LBs dont you think

To answer your question.......Yes, but that was not the point. Did you even read my post? I don't remember saying anything about LB's other than that Ninkovich would be better suited as one instead of a DE. The point I was clearing up is that Grant & Smith could both be successful in a 3-4 scheme at the DE position & that they are not as undersized as some may suggest.

mikesaintfan · 05-27-2006, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

pitsburg has some better LBs dont you think

To answer your question.......Yes, but that was not the point. Did you even read my post? I don't remember saying anything about LB's other than that Ninkovich would be better suited as one instead of a DE. The point I was clearing up is that Grant & Smith could both be successful in a 3-4 scheme at the DE position & that they are not as undersized as some may suggest.

no you did not mention LBs but you did mention pitsburg. and since the role of the LBs is greatly increased with 4 on the field which allows pitsburg to dominate with the two lesser DE's

Euphoria · 05-27-2006, 01:10 PM

I don't see us going to a 3-4 until next year...

TheDeuce · 05-28-2006, 02:35 AM

Holy crap don't like whodi see this thread.

Anyways, no way we go 3-4. So many problems with it personnel-wise that it is just ridiculous to think about. No pure nose tackled. Only two good linebackers. DEs aren't prototypical 3-4 ends. No linebackers who are adept at rushing the passer. Too many holes for a switch.

saintswhodi · 05-28-2006, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Holy crap don't like whodi see this thread.

Anyways, no way we go 3-4. So many problems with it personnel-wise that it is just ridiculous to think about. No pure nose tackled. Only two good linebackers. DEs aren't prototypical 3-4 ends. No linebackers who are adept at rushing the passer. Too many holes for a switch.

I didn't even wanna weigh in. I am not gonna down anyone's opinion, but the idea of us going to a 3-4 is ridiculous TO ME. With the LBs we have? 3Ugh. 0 something year old career back-up Thomas or Sullivan at DT? Ugh ugh. And basically neutralizing Smith or Grant at DE. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Maybe after next year's draft, we can start to align our stars. But ask La'Roi Glover and Greg Ellis, classic 4-3 DE and DT, how well that switch to a 3-4 in Dallas worked for them? And seriously, the weakness at LB alone should be enough for us to discourage that move. Especially with James Allen being out again now. Now if we got Donnie Edwards, we MAY be able to move to a 3-4, although I still feel we would get killed with the D-line we would have. Outside of Smith or Grant, anyone see a true pass rushing threat coming out of these LBs, with SMith and Grant getting swallowed up at DE? Has Thomas ever even played DT in a 3-4 at any point in his back-up career? Just a few, well a lot of reservations i'd have at this point.

reggiebush · 05-28-2006, 09:26 PM

Young is a 3-4 DE end, smith can be used as terrel suggs. We need to get edwards for this but we could have DE:Grant and Young, NT: Thomas and Sully (swap every down) OLB: Smith and Fujita ILD: Edwards and Simmons, very possible, ninkovich and bockwoldt would also be good fits as rotational lbs, thomas and sully can motavate eachother

saintsrule · 05-29-2006, 12:58 AM

The staff has said it will be the 4-3, because that is best for the players they have.

JimBone · 05-29-2006, 09:34 AM

And they know what they are talking about...Will Smith is NOT and NEVER WILL BE a good fit as 3-4 DE. So, negating the strong suit of the best player on your defense doesnt make a lot of sense to me.

Euphoria · 05-29-2006, 10:13 AM

damn I agree with whodi, what is this world coming to... (not the first time though).

Our DE are pass rushers... we need run stuffing people that dictate to the OL that "hey, you have to double team the down guys in order to get a yard rushing. We don't have that.

05-27-2006, 12:48 PM	#13
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 pitsburg has some better LBs dont you think To answer your question.......Yes, but that was not the point. Did you even read my post? I don't remember saying anything about LB's other than that Ninkovich would be better suited as one instead of a DE. The point I was clearing up is that Grant & Smith could both be successful in a 3-4 scheme at the DE position & that they are not as undersized as some may suggest. no you did not mention LBs but you did mention pitsburg. and since the role of the LBs is greatly increased with 4 on the field which allows pitsburg to dominate with the two lesser DE's

05-28-2006, 02:35 AM	#15
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Holy crap don't like whodi see this thread. Anyways, no way we go 3-4. So many problems with it personnel-wise that it is just ridiculous to think about. No pure nose tackled. Only two good linebackers. DEs aren't prototypical 3-4 ends. No linebackers who are adept at rushing the passer. Too many holes for a switch.
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05-28-2006, 11:32 AM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by TheDeuce Holy crap don't like whodi see this thread. Anyways, no way we go 3-4. So many problems with it personnel-wise that it is just ridiculous to think about. No pure nose tackled. Only two good linebackers. DEs aren't prototypical 3-4 ends. No linebackers who are adept at rushing the passer. Too many holes for a switch. I didn't even wanna weigh in. I am not gonna down anyone's opinion, but the idea of us going to a 3-4 is ridiculous TO ME. With the LBs we have? 3Ugh. 0 something year old career back-up Thomas or Sullivan at DT? Ugh ugh. And basically neutralizing Smith or Grant at DE. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Maybe after next year's draft, we can start to align our stars. But ask La'Roi Glover and Greg Ellis, classic 4-3 DE and DT, how well that switch to a 3-4 in Dallas worked for them? And seriously, the weakness at LB alone should be enough for us to discourage that move. Especially with James Allen being out again now. Now if we got Donnie Edwards, we MAY be able to move to a 3-4, although I still feel we would get killed with the D-line we would have. Outside of Smith or Grant, anyone see a true pass rushing threat coming out of these LBs, with SMith and Grant getting swallowed up at DE? Has Thomas ever even played DT in a 3-4 at any point in his back-up career? Just a few, well a lot of reservations i'd have at this point.

05-28-2006, 09:26 PM	#17
reggiebush Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 15	Young is a 3-4 DE end, smith can be used as terrel suggs. We need to get edwards for this but we could have DE:Grant and Young, NT: Thomas and Sully (swap every down) OLB: Smith and Fujita ILD: Edwards and Simmons, very possible, ninkovich and bockwoldt would also be good fits as rotational lbs, thomas and sully can motavate eachother
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05-29-2006, 12:58 AM	#18
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	The staff has said it will be the 4-3, because that is best for the players they have.
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05-27-2006, 12:34 PM	#11
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05-27-2006, 12:44 PM	#12
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	pitsburg has some better LBs dont you think To answer your question.......Yes, but that was not the point. Did you even read my post? I don't remember saying anything about LB's other than that Ninkovich would be better suited as one instead of a DE. The point I was clearing up is that Grant & Smith could both be successful in a 3-4 scheme at the DE position & that they are not as undersized as some may suggest.

05-27-2006, 01:10 PM	#14
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I don't see us going to a 3-4 until next year...

05-29-2006, 09:34 AM	#19
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	And they know what they are talking about...Will Smith is NOT and NEVER WILL BE a good fit as 3-4 DE. So, negating the strong suit of the best player on your defense doesnt make a lot of sense to me.

05-29-2006, 10:13 AM	#20
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	damn I agree with whodi, what is this world coming to... (not the first time though). Our DE are pass rushers... we need run stuffing people that dictate to the OL that "hey, you have to double team the down guys in order to get a yard rushing. We don't have that.