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QBREES9 03-04-2008 08:16 AM

Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they look
 
Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they look- NOLA.com

Linebacker Jonathan Vilma (trade from the Jets), cornerback Randall Gay (free-agent signee from the Patriots) and defensive end Bobby McCray (free-agent pickup from the Jaguars) are symbols of the Saints' commitment to upgrading a porous defense. They are pieces that are glaringly necessary if the team wants to climb back to the level of contender.

But so were linebacker Brian Simmons, cornerback Jason David and safety Kevin Kaesviharn last year.

saintsfan1976 03-04-2008 08:53 AM

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duuuuuuh.

gptsaintsfan 03-04-2008 01:04 PM

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My thoughts exactly. :handguns:

Supersaint19 03-04-2008 01:10 PM

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you cant compare simmons to vilma or david to gay

SapperSaint 03-04-2008 02:36 PM

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and this all seems odd because???????

Remember what team we root for people. "HOPE", should be this years t-shirt.

Here is the first commercial of the year.
Now picture in you head; the screen gives you the look through a helmet. Across from you is a WR. (Heart beat in the background) Then, you here a voice: "Oh man, I "HOPE" the QB doesn't throw the ball to this guy"

The camera pans back to reveil the you were Jason David. The screen fades out to the word....."HOPE".

When it's all said and done with "hope" is all Saints fans really have at the begining of the season. So in the words of Tiny Tim, "God Bless us, everyone."

WillMacKenzie 03-04-2008 03:22 PM

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just caught wind a mediocre corner back was just placed on injured reserve on the AFL Desperados - mickey loomis

hurry up and sign him before someone else scoops him up, he seems to fit right into our philosophy and system. earn it. - sean payton

WHY are the Saints constantly trying to build new houses with used, sub-par lumber.

Randall Gay - oh yeah, HE ought to do it. Jason David reborn.
Vilma - GET REAL, the dude just missed half a season when a piece of dead bone got lodged in his knee. i just hope he was worth the risk
McCray - was he even in the NFL?
Lehan - no explanation necessary

released brian simmons over mark simoneau...this man love for simoneau is worse than brooks and haslett

none of this looks good to me. much less a sure bet. these moves show me that the saints still aren't serious. eventually, if you want to win you're going to have to cough up some money and sign a named playmaker.

jnormand 03-04-2008 04:09 PM

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First of all, know one could have guessed that 1st Down David was going to be such a bust. I doubt that Brian Simmons was playing better than Mark Simoneau or he would have been on the field more. Jonathan Vilma might not work out, but odds are that he will and we will be better for it. Vilma is a "Playmaker" and was a very sought after LB in free agency. Was Drew Brees worth the risk? I doubt that Gay is penciled in a starter, however, he will have his opportunity to try in camp. McCray did pretty well for the Jags, he isn't going to start, he is only going to be in a rotation with Smith and Grant. Know one can tell what impact a new player will have after signing him. I think the team is obviously committed to shoring up a pretty bad defense. I'm not worried about the defense. I think it will be addressed in the draft as well. Besides not getting Asante Samuel, who else did this team miss as far a free agent defensive players?

FireVenturi 03-04-2008 08:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Supersaint19 (Post 156565)
you cant compare simmons to vilma or david to gay


David is Gay...What? Sorry, couldn't resist!

hagan714 03-04-2008 09:25 PM

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Look we do not know what we have at MLB till the doctor talks.
Cb we got a good #2 and david can be swapped for #3. Now I am waiting for #1. Young?
McCray i Love the pick up.

o1higuy 03-04-2008 09:42 PM

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Don't hammer me too much but what are the chances David being a suprise improvment next year after a full year in our system and a full training camp under his belt? I know it is hard to imagin because he was so bad, but is mediocre too much to ask?

hagan714 03-04-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by o1higuy (Post 156653)
Don't hammer me too much but what are the chances David being a suprise improvment next year after a full year in our system and a full training camp under his belt? I know it is hard to imagin because he was so bad, but is mediocre too much to ask?

I wont. I believe he will be one of the best #3s in the NFL, he gets S and MLB help.

WillMacKenzie 03-05-2008 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 156592)
First of all, know one could have guessed that 1st Down David was going to be such a bust. I doubt that Brian Simmons was playing better than Mark Simoneau or he would have been on the field more. Jonathan Vilma might not work out, but odds are that he will and we will be better for it. Vilma is a "Playmaker" and was a very sought after LB in free agency. Was Drew Brees worth the risk? I doubt that Gay is penciled in a starter, however, he will have his opportunity to try in camp. McCray did pretty well for the Jags, he isn't going to start, he is only going to be in a rotation with Smith and Grant. Know one can tell what impact a new player will have after signing him. I think the team is obviously committed to shoring up a pretty bad defense. I'm not worried about the defense. I think it will be addressed in the draft as well. Besides not getting Asante Samuel, who else did this team miss as far a free agent defensive players?

just a few points - even people on this very board saw that Jason David would not make the "impact" he was supposed to make, citing the same reasons mentioned about playing Tampa 2. Now we have a similar situation with Randall Gay - a New Englang backup.

according to your logic, "if he was this good...he would've been playing", Pierre Thomas would've started every game. (see: multiple flashes of brilliance throughout the year) Apparently the fans were not as stupid as the coaches thought. If WE could see that the kid was good, wtf were they waiting for to throw him in the game? Simmons is better than Simoneau - bank on it.

Drew Brees was a matter of chance. It was simply a gamble that paid off. But as you can see, even Brees can be up and down. 2007 season was forgettable. We beat the odds 1 time with Brees and now the front office thinks it's essential to gamble every year, you cannot beat the odds every roll of the dice my friend. I hope Vilma DOES work out, but I have my doubts.

Vilma was a beast his first 2 years, what has he done lately? Briggs, Zach Thomas, Adalius Thomas a year ago, Hamlin, Samuels, Deon Grant, you mean to tell me we couldn't cough up enough coin to get ONE of these proven guys? Oh i forgot, they aren't injured, nor cheap enough.

Let's just hope you're right and we address the defense more in the draft.

NYSaintsFan 03-05-2008 05:15 PM

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The Signing of Vilma was a ZERO risk move... IF his knee fully heals and is the player he was in the first two years(when he was in the 4-3) Then we got one of the biggest steals in NFL history. If his leg dose not heal 100% then he is still an upgrade over Siminoux...and if his leg doesnt heal at all...we give up a lousy 4th rounder. Im willing to take the chance of one of the best young linebackers in the game for a 4th round draft pick any day...

PS. McKray is going to be a major impact to the D-Line..he is a tall guy who can get his hands up and knock down some balls, and he can get to the QB, so Donovan McNabb doesnt have 10 min to throw the ball like last year.

papz 03-05-2008 05:40 PM

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That's a stretch... a steal maybe... but not one of the biggest in NFL history. Superstars can be had for 2nd or 3rd round picks these days.


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