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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I say trade pick #10 for a #1 next year and a second or third rounder this year or maybe a a first rounder at the bottom of the draft. This draft is way to over rated and over hyped ...

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Old 04-01-2008, 09:42 AM   #1
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I say skip round 1 all together.

I say trade pick #10 for a #1 next year and a second or third rounder this year or maybe a a first rounder at the bottom of the draft.
This draft is way to over rated and over hyped in an attempt to cover up how weak this years first round is. I want leverage for next years draft. That class will out shine this years hands down in the first round.

Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 222
His numbers are inflated by Texas Tech's system, but Crabtree is a Calvin Johnson-esque type of talent. He has the size, speed and hands to be a number one receiver in the NFL.

Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 325
Michael Oher is a big physical tackle, who would have been a first round draft pick this year.

Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 235
Tebow looked good throwing the ball last season, but needs to prove he can sit in the pocket most downs and throw the ball accurately.

Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
Height: 6'1 - Weight: 225
Wells has the size and speed to be a feature back in the NFL. He will be a top ten pick in 2009.

Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

Height: 6'1 - Weight: 202
Malcolm Jenkins would have been a first rounder in 2008, but came back to chase a National Title. He's got outstanding size and speed, and can play man, press, and zone.

Al Woods, NT, LSU
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 324
Al Woods is the only true nose tackle on this list. He's big, and has a good motor. Woods will help any 3-4 defense at the nose tackle.

George Selvie, DE/OLB, South Florida
Height: 6'4 - Weight: 255
George Selvie will have to move to outside linebacker in the NFL. He could turn out to be one of the better 3-4 pass rushers in the NFL, if he continues to improve.

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

Height: 6'0 - Weight: 205
Davis is a blur for his size. He can press receivers as well as anyone in this class, because he has the speed to recover if he's beat.

James Laurinaitis, MLB, Ohio State
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 244
Laurinaitis would have been a top 15 pick in 2008, but went back to chase the National Title. He's outstanding against the run and the pass, and is always in position to make a play.

Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 252
Maualaga also would have been a first round pick this year. He's not quite as technical as Laurinaitis, but he's way more physical.

Sean Lee, OLB, Penn State
Height: 6'2 - Weight: 232
Sean Lee is following in the footsteps of Posluszny and Connor. He's not the flashiest guy, he just racks up tackles.

William Moore, FS, Missouri

Height: 6'1 - Weight: 215
William Moore is an outstanding playmaker in the secondary. He's fantastic at playing center field and jumping routes to pick off passes.

Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn

Height: 6'1 - Weight: 291
Yet another quick defensive tackle, who would fit perfectly into a cover 2 scheme.

Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
Height: 5'11 - Weight: 207
Moreno reminds me of a Mike Hart type of running back. He's not the strongest guy or the fastest, but put him in pads and he'll get the job done.

Darry Beckwith, MLB, LSU
Height: 6'1 - Weight: 232
Beckwith is a solid linebacker, but will have to move outside in the NFL. He plays inside out of necessity at LSU.

Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
Height: 6'7 - Weight: 250
Michael Johnson has good speed, but lacks a true NFL position. He'll need to bulk up his 6'7 frame to play defensive end in the pros.

Taylor Mays, SS, USC
Height: 6'4 - Weight: 225
Taylor Mays' combination of size and speed is almost unbelievable. He can get in the box and stop the run, but is just as good in coverage.

Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 292
Jackson is a huge defensive end who can play in the 4-3 or the 3-4.

Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State
Height: 6'2 - Weight: 215
Myron Rolle is the most technically sound saftey in this group. He doesn't make mistakes, and hits much harder than his size would indicate.

Alex Mack, C, California
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 300
Alex Mack would have been the top center in 2008, if he hadn't decided to return to California.

Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 195
Heyward-Bey is the second best receiver in this class, and we haven't even scratched the surface yet. The sky is the limit for this prospect.

C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
Height: 5'11 - Weight: 190
Spiller is the fastest running back in this class. He will be at his best as part of a tandem back system in the NFL. He can also return kicks, and is an excellent third down option.

Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 330
Duke Robinson couyld have been the top guard taken in the 2008 draft, if he entered. Robinson will be a force on the interior for whatever team drafts him.

Fili Moala, DT, USC
Height: 6'4 - Weight: 295
Moala has good speed and pass rushing moves at the defensive tackle position. He tops the list because he can play in the cover two, the 4-3, or play end in the 3-4.

Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 237
Matthew Stafford has all the physical attributes you look for in an NFL quarterback. Like Cantwell and Tebow he just needs to show he can get the job done consistently.

Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
Height: 6'1 - Weight: 185
Maclin will make some team a nice number two receiver, or possibly a slot man. He will however, be a huge factor in the return game.

Herman Johnson, G, LSU
Height: 6'7 - Weight: 351
By far and away the biggest guard on this list, Johnson is an imposing figure on the interior.

Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
Height: 6'8 - Weight: 352
Loadholt is a huge tackle, who could develop into one of the best tackle in the NFL.

Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
Height: 5'11 - Weight: 181
Harvin might be the next Steve Smith. He's the kind of receiver that doesn't have to run a deep route to get the ball down field.

Brian Cushing, OLB, USC:
Height: 6'4 - Weight 245
Brian Cushing is a big outside linebacker, with great speed. He can play inside and out, and is equally adept at blitzing and dropping into coverage.

Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Height: 6'5 - Weight: 333
Smith is extremely quick for his size. He's slowly lost a lot of weight in Nick Saban's new work out program, which has benefited his play

Kam Chancellor, SS, Virginia Tech
Height: 6'3 - Weight: 220
Chancellor is a lot like Taylor Mays. He's a huge safety with ridiculous speed for his size. He needs just a little work on his coverage, but he'll be an early pick.

I did little or no work getting this list. Much better selection. There are names left off of here that I think should be on this list of the first round mock from WalterFootball.com: 2009 NFL Mock Draft

Skip the pick and save the cap room for next year. We have some RFA and UFA in 2009 we must keep. They will not be cheap. Then we have leverage in a much better first round than this years.

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Old 04-01-2008, 09:50 AM   #2
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Re: I say skip round 1 all together.

I rather contend this year then worry about next year's draft. There are still plenty of holes and depth issues on our team this year that need to be addressed. Waiting next year will only lengthen our chances in getting into a Superbowl. We're not in the league of the Pats and Colts... winning organizations that could afford to do something like this.

I also want to say just as easy as it is to be ranked on any kind of top prospect list for next year, it's just as easy to fall out of it. Some good examples from last year's list without looking it up are Ali Highsmith, Early Doucet, and Lawrence Jackson, Antoine Cason ... I'm sure there are plenty others.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

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Old 04-01-2008, 10:51 AM   #3
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Re: I say skip round 1 all together.

Originally Posted by papz View Post
I rather contend this year then worry about next year's draft. There are still plenty of holes and depth issues on our team this year that need to be addressed. Waiting next year will only lengthen our chances in getting into a Superbowl. We're not in the league of the Pats and Colts... winning organizations that could afford to do something like this.

I also want to say just as easy as it is to be ranked on any kind of top prospect list for next year, it's just as easy to fall out of it. Some good examples from last year's list without looking it up are Ali Highsmith, Early Doucet, and Lawrence Jackson, Antoine Cason ... I'm sure there are plenty others.
Good post, and I completely agree on both points. I honestly believe that depending on who we get, there's a chance it would help push us over the top and get to the promised land.
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:48 PM   #4
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Re: I say skip round 1 all together.

Let's contend this year.

But trading away this year's pick for a first round pick next year could be very dangerous. Why? -- because our pick (#10) this year is high in the draft order, and could easily turn into a much lower pick next year based on that team's performance (and you never know with some teams). I'd sure hate to see a #10 turn into a #29.

But I'm in agreement with the other points, I think trading down this year is a fantastic option.
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:55 PM   #5
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Re: I say skip round 1 all together.

I'm definitely in favor of trading down and acquiring more picks... as long as we get the right value back for the picks. Unless it's Oakland, we have no idea what a team's future first would be in order to get the right picks back in return (pretty much what LOE said).

I remember smitty making a thread about trading our first for their three second round picks this year... I was tempted by that though. However obtaining the Cowboys' 2 first rounders would be much better.
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Old 04-01-2008, 01:18 PM   #6
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Re: I say skip round 1 all together.

Originally Posted by hagan714 View Post
I say trade pick #10 for a #1 next year and a second or third rounder this year or maybe a a first rounder at the bottom of the draft.
This draft is way to over rated and over hyped in an attempt to cover up how weak this years first round is. I want leverage for next years draft. That class will out shine this years hands down in the first round.

I can totally support this. I don't see us getting the greatest value from this year's class unless we are able to snage a top 6 pick with #10. There are to many options that trading back is perhaps the best thing to do... putting it off till next year once we see how the FA's pan out and development of last year's draft works out. We can stock pile picks in next years draft in case the sky falls on us again.

2 first rounders next year, I like it!
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Old 04-01-2008, 01:20 PM   #7
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Re: I say skip round 1 all together.

Originally Posted by papz View Post
I'm definitely in favor of trading down and acquiring more picks... as long as we get the right value back for the picks. Unless it's Oakland, we have no idea what a team's future first would be in order to get the right picks back in return (pretty much what LOE said).

I remember smitty making a thread about trading our first for their three second round picks this year... I was tempted by that though. However obtaining the Cowboys' 2 first rounders would be much better.
The problem I am seeing is that there aren't to many teams willing to trade up into the first round especially top 5 much less the top 10. $$$ for these players who haven't even tried on an NFL jersay yet.

I feel we may have to take someone at 10 because no one else wants to.
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Old 04-01-2008, 01:31 PM   #8
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Re: I say skip round 1 all together.

I'd prefer using this season to groom our new CB and other picks. This team should be playoff bound with merely healthy LB additions next season. Another draft and experienced young CBs could mean a serious run after this season.
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Old 04-01-2008, 01:36 PM   #9
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Re: I say skip round 1 all together.

I was thinking along the same lines also Nemesis.

The money given to the picks after 7 aren't that far apart Euph.
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Re: I say skip round 1 all together.

Originally Posted by papz View Post
I'm definitely in favor of trading down and acquiring more picks... as long as we get the right value back for the picks. Unless it's Oakland, we have no idea what a team's future first would be in order to get the right picks back in return (pretty much what LOE said).

I remember smitty making a thread about trading our first for their three second round picks this year... I was tempted by that though. However obtaining the Cowboys' 2 first rounders would be much better.
well speak of the devil, (dallas , that is......)
i just read in todays paper that jones may be willing to part with one of those 1st rounders for a proven wide reciever.........
can you say, devery?
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