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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; please billy, AB was the reason that we were in the hole in the first place, and deuce and the D are the reasons that we won heh game... i know deuce had the big fumble in OT at the ...

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Old 11-16-2003, 07:19 PM   #11
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please billy, AB was the reason that we were in the hole in the first place, and deuce and the D are the reasons that we won heh game... i know deuce had the big fumble in OT at the goal line, but he made up for it after that with huge runs on the 2nd drive...
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Old 11-16-2003, 07:21 PM   #12
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The fact is pak that QB\'s sometimes do that. I don\'t mean just some QB\'s sometimes do that. I mean ALL QB\'s. Brooks had a lot to do with the comeback. Just as much as Deuce. Of course, I guess you don\'t see it that way?
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Old 11-16-2003, 10:38 PM   #13
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You know what? Deuce and the Defense definitely won this game. Props to Billy, if this D keeps playing like this you will be totally right about them. Howard made a huge difference, he was all over the field making play after play.

And you know what? This is one of those times that I might normally have joined in with all the Bashers and destroyed Brooks, but I can\'t. His two pics looked terrible. But so did Deuce\'s two fumbles in the red zone in the 4th QT and OT. So did Pathon\'s two drops. This was an ugly win, but, I can\'t believe I\'m about to say this, but I think Saintfan and Billy may be right. Brooks reminds me of Favre at this point in each\'s career. Brooks is streaky, just like Favre. He has great games where he gets this O rolling. He also makes terrible decisions at times and seems to be just boneheaded. The big difference between the two right now is Championships. The Saints are close. They need to make it to the playoffs this year, and make a very serious Super Bowl run next year that at least brings us to the NFC Championship game. In any case, Brooks is not a top five QB right now. But he does have the ability to get there and if he ever stops making boneheaded decisions, he\'ll turn into a great QB.

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Old 11-16-2003, 11:12 PM   #14
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You see Delhomme on Sunday NFL Countdown? Man, now he\'s a QB!! LMAO.

Saintfan? Where are you? Drunk off of my Tang I\'m sure.
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Old 11-17-2003, 10:41 AM   #15
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I can\'t stand whiney little girl fans like half the people on this site. Aaron Brooks threw a couple of bad picks. Wow, at least no one else in the NFL throws picks. All other QBs are perfect. Dan Marino never threw interceptions, nor do Favre, or Culpepper for that reason. All the posters on this site are perfect too.
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Old 11-18-2003, 09:19 AM   #16
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The absolute facts are, and there is no way to spin this positive, every football expert, sportswriter, commentator, etc agrees that there is no way to predict which AB is going to show up on Sunday. No matter how we win, it is a win and it brings us closer to our ultimate goal. However, there is NO WAY we can reach that goal with a QB who cannot be consistent! Period.

ANY QB in the league can have a bad day. Not any QB in the league has them every other week. Lousy, below-average, press-inflated srubs do exactly that. Deuce carried this team the first part of the year. The defense has stepped up and helped out a lot lately.

Our offense CANNOT seem to perform in the passing game. Why? Well, you could blame all the receivers for drops and say that AB\'s stats would be MUCH better if they caught them. I\'ve got news for you, the Falcon\'s QB had THREE TIMES AS MANY DROPS! I guess we should all agree that Kittner is a GREAT QB because if his receivers had caught those balls..... hoo-nanny, WHAT A PASSING RATING!

You could say that ALL our receivers are no talent hacks that cannot get open. That\'s an approach I guess and since we are not there on the field, we cannot argue with that. I would like to appeal to the common sense of the membership of this board: what is the common thread in our passing game. Simple answer here: Aaron Brooks.

He is not getting it done. This is his fourth season on this team, in this system, under these coaches. This is his third season as full-time starter. If anything, he has gotten worse as the years have gone by. For whatever reason this has happened, I say again: enough is enough.
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Old 11-18-2003, 09:43 AM   #17
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Your logic is skewed Jude. I heard two announcers make the comment you suddenly attribute to \"every football expert, sportswriter, commentator, etc\". What those \"experts\" agree on varies from week to week. They are in the entertainment business, and they know it. Don\'t you? Brooks\' play surely was erratic Sunday. Find me a QB that doesn\'t have those days. ...and oh by the way...happy hunting.

Be very careful stating something as \"absolute fact\" when it\'s an obvious opinion. That\'s a dangerous business man. Since you think you have this football stuff essentially figured out, why not go ahead and post the final record for every team in the NFL. If you\'re as right as you seem to think you are then I\'ll be back on this board the day after the season to give you your props.

There are more \"common threads\" in our passing game than one man sir. They would be Deuce, Joe, Donte\', Michael, and Jerome along with the Tight Ends and the offensive line...11 all together if my math is correct (not counting the coaches, but then they too are part of the \"common thread\" are they not?). \"Simple Answer\"? Indeed it isn\'t so simple. If it were, then the PROFESSIONALS getting paid to play and coach would have figured it out by now.

The problems on the Saints team go much deeper than your \"Simple answer\". Your view sir, in my opinion is simple indeed, and terribly inaccurate, but you\'re entitled to it.

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Old 11-18-2003, 09:51 AM   #18
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So Jude, you want consistancy huh? Well, look around at the QB\'s in this league that are more consistant than Brooks.(and it ain\'t that many.) ALL of those QB\'s have been in the leage much longer and have GREAT offensive lines. Then there are a lot of QB\'s that have been starters in the league much longer that are less consistant than AB this year. Brooks makes some bad throws and bad decisions at times, there is little doubt about that. But, so do about 90% of the other QB\'s in this league. Do you watch other QB\'s in the league besides Manning and Steve McNair? Please take a look at Hasselbeck, Brad Johnson, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Drew Bledsoe, Jeff Garcia, Kerry Collins, Rich Gannon, etc... So, if you want consistancy, and you feel that\'s the only way we can win is with more consistancy, then there are certainly many teams out there that are in the same boat.

There\'s nothing wrong with saying that Brooks needs to be more consistant. But, to be talking about cutting the guy is crazy. Can I say crazy? How \'bout foolish?
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Old 11-18-2003, 10:47 AM   #19
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I just can\'t understand it. Billy and Saintfan must be blood relatives of Haslett, b/c they clearly have the same Brooks-loving eyes. Look at the posts above. First, Saintfan tries to convince us all that Brooks had one bad half or game, and that he is not, in fact, inconsistent. Then Billy tries to convince us that Brooks is more consistent than most other QBs in the league, and why do you need consistency anyway?

I know what the problem is here, I haven\'t had any Tang in two days! Unreal. Listen you two, I have been about as fair as is possible to Brooks this season - you both have to admit that. Brooks is the best QB in the team right now. He\'s got a great arm, a lot of athleticism, and he is starting to improve his efficiency and make fewer dumb mistakes. HOWEVER, you two still refuse to believe that the man has ANY flaws. It\'s unbelievable.

If I were given one word to define Brooks\' career thus far it would probably be inconsistent. I don\'t need analysts or experts (who pretty much do all agree he\'s streaky saintfan - at least the ones not living in New Orleans do) to tell me that the man plays up and down. I can see it myself. If you two can\'t then something is wrong with your eyes.

I understand that you get so involved in protecting him against what you perceive to be unjustified criticism that your first instinct is to rush in to defend. Next time that happens, stop, and ask yourself two questions? A) Why am I defending this guy? B) Is there any merit to what the other side is saying?

You two polarize this argument. You often tell people that their views are skewed when in fact they tend to be the views held by the majority of people on this board, in the media, or just in the world.

I\'ll tell you all right now why Brooks is the target of so much frustration - b/c he perfectly embodies the Saints as a team. Lots of talent, could be one of the best in the league, has flashes of greatness... but those are almost always followed by colossal blunders, mental mistakes, and/or breakdowns that result in being just short of the end goal. If teams take on the personality of their leaders, and Brooks is this team leader that you two assert he has been since at least last season, what does that say about Brooks? Right now it would show grit and determination in the face of adversity... of course, that adversity came about b/c of mental mistakes and lackadaisical play, so it\'s a double-edged sword.

I\'ve tried my best to give the man credit where credit is due, and criticize when it is warranted this year. I think I\'ve been pretty fair. I don\'t think I\'ve heard one \"negative\" remark about the man from either of you in weeks - and when you do say something it\'s tongue-in-cheek or a \"yeah he played up and down in this one game, BUT...\"

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Old 11-18-2003, 10:57 AM   #20
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One again WhoDat you tell untruths. For example:

WhoDat-
Then Billy tries to convince us that Brooks is more consistent than most other QBs in the league, and why do you need consistency anyway?
When in fact I said this:

BillyC
There\'s nothing wrong with saying that Brooks needs to be more consistant. But, to be talking about cutting the guy is crazy. Can I say crazy? How \'bout foolish?
Spin it anyway you want or put words in my mouth, but I stand by what I said. Which is Brooks makes bad throws and decisions but to be calling for him to be cut is foolish. You bunch of no nothing clod\'s.......... :P



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