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papz 07-13-2011 03:01 PM

Saints SS Harper not interested in hometown discount
 
Roman Harper, an unrestricted free agent, says he would prefer to re-sign with the Saints, but he's not interested in giving them a hometown discount.

"I can't do that," the five-year veteran starting strong safety said. "That would be unfair to myself.

"If the numbers don't match up, there's no reason for me to just have to settle for something. Everything has to match up for me to come back."

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ProFootballWeekly.com - Saints SS Harper not interested in hometown discount

Danno 07-13-2011 03:06 PM

As it should be. However, I bet we'll have the opportunity to match any offer he gets.

And its a hometeam discount, not a hometown discount. He's from Alabama.

Halo 07-13-2011 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 308449)
As it should be. However, I bet we'll have the opportunity to match any offer he gets.

And its a hometeam discount, not a hometown discount. He's from Alabama.

Yep yep.

Jamessr 07-13-2011 03:50 PM

Hmmm....yeah


Danno 07-13-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 308460)
So can we rag on his azz now?...

Like you haven't already?:rolleyes:

Danno 07-13-2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 308469)
well Bush cant fart without a ten page thread ...:p

Ain't that the truth. His problem is that when someone criticizes his on-field performance, the poster is called a hater and the Reggie-exaggerations start flying left and right and it escalates into nonsense being posted repeatedly.

Mardigras9 07-13-2011 05:34 PM

Kinda what we have been hearing all summer from most of these under-paid guys. It's always about the money first and loyalty second. It's their business and they have to get it while they can, just kinda sucks from a loyal fan point of view. Loyal to the colors vs. loyal to the highest bidder.

papz 07-13-2011 05:49 PM

He already has his ring and this probably will be his one and only big contract. He should definitely capitalize on it and at the same time, we should be one of his high bidders. He should be back as a Saint.

Danno 07-13-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 308482)
He already has his ring and this probably will be his one and only big contract. He should definitely capitalize on it and at the same time, we should be one of his high bidders. He should be back as a Saint.

Agreed. I think his comments translate to... "Hey Mickey, don't lowball me".

He'll be back at the salary he deserves, which is probably in the range of top 5-10 safety. He'll get some jack, but it won't break the bank either.

Rugby Saint II 07-13-2011 09:53 PM

I would hate to see him go anywhere else. I got to watch him play in colege and I was excited when we drafted him. He is definately a key piece of the puzzle. Pay the man what he's worth. However, having said that we can still win another Superbowl without him.

saintfan 07-13-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 308470)
Ain't that the truth. His problem is that when someone criticizes his on-field performance, the poster is called a hater and the Reggie-exaggerations start flying left and right and it escalates into nonsense being posted repeatedly.

Why you gotta hate Danno? Let's love 'ol Reggie all the way to another ring baby.

LOL

savoyk 07-14-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 308471)
Yeah things like...he can take his backward running ..sidline ..soft ..injury prone..greedy .. no count self out of here start popping up ..its time to call hate..thats nonsense..The dude has done more than say a Roman Harper...but Harper needs to stay just like Reggie...they wont do as well in another system...they need to realize that..or is just about the money?


+1

Marlboro Man 07-15-2011 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 308481)
Kinda what we have been hearing all summer from most of these under-paid guys. It's always about the money first and loyalty second. It's their business and they have to get it while they can, just kinda sucks from a loyal fan point of view. Loyal to the colors vs. loyal to the highest bidder.

Good attitude Harper, maybe now we can upgrade your roster spot cause you ain't all that. I'd like to see Sharper and Jenkins as a tandem and work Nate Bussey in there for next year.

Saint_LB 07-15-2011 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 308459)

Best post of the thread, IMO. Pretty much says it all...

Danno 07-15-2011 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Saint_LB (Post 308826)
Best post of the thread, IMO. Pretty much says it all...

Disagree LB. It totally ignores the other 15 regular season games, and ignores the great game he had that day too, IMO.

It pretty much says nothing.;)

Saint_LB 07-15-2011 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 308828)
Disagree LB. It totally ignores the other 15 regular season games, and ignores the great game he had that day too, IMO.

It pretty much says nothing.;)

You are right...I retract. It does not say it all. I should have posted a picture of him. HE LOOKS OLD!

...and I thought I might get a rise out of you...he he he. :)

darstep 07-15-2011 10:12 AM

NONE of us are going anywhere! MOST of these guys are leaving! Either now or later, they are out of here. Reggie's bank account will never see the 11 million that was ageed to in writing, 11 million - that's a lot of nickels. This is a job for these guys. The pain is the same whether east coast or west coast. The other intangibles get factored in, but at the end of the day, most of these guys have 10 years or less to make it happen, and then they are back to being regular Joe's. Hopefully with a pocket full of money.

Jack Vegas 07-16-2011 01:11 AM

Harper is probably the one guy who as a free agent this year is really replaceable. Usama took his spot for a couple games early in the season and played really, really well. Not to mention Jenkins and Robinson. Either one could play that spot and be really good.

papz 07-16-2011 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 308991)
Harper is probably the one guy who as a free agent this year is really replaceable. Usama took his spot for a couple games early in the season and played really, really well. Not to mention Jenkins and Robinson. Either one could play that spot and be really good.

I think Usama's time here is done. He hasn't improved much from year to year and has been burned consistently over the past couple of seasons. I no longer feel comfortable with him getting snaps at corner... and he hasn't showed me much of anything at safety either. He's also invisible on special teams.

The safety crop at SS in my opinion isn't strong... so I personally do not agree with you saying Harper is a guy that is really replaceable. He excels in our system and has gone to multiple Pro Bowls. It's not as easy replacing that as you seem to make it out to be.

I'd love to have Weddle here... who in my opinion is a better overall safety and can play both spots along with spot nickel duty in some packages. But, he's going to get a massive contract on the open market this offseason.

foreverfan 07-16-2011 09:09 AM

Harper is like Strato on lead guitar... both deserve a bigger payday.

Danno 07-16-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 309023)
Ok FF maybe its time for you to manage me..lol..15% off the top for you...and getting back to Harper..love the guy..but he scares the crap out of me in coverage...i think teams will try and expose that this year.G.W will have to game plan to make sure he gets help or it might get ugly..

He wasn't exposed for 16 games last year. He covered very well for a SS.

Danno 07-16-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 309029)
That was smart game planning by G.W...we all know Harper lacks the speed to cover a fast TE or WR..bout like Shanle...I would like Weddle also.

Most NFL SS's lack the speed to cover fast TE's and WR's.

But Harper didn't have any trouble covering Shianco, Vernon Davis, Tony Gonzalez, Kellen Winslow, or Jason Whitten . All pretty fast TE's in my book.

the-commish 07-16-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 309001)
I think Usama's time here is done. He hasn't improved much from year to year and has been burned consistently over the past couple of seasons. I no longer feel comfortable with him getting snaps at corner... and he hasn't showed me much of anything at safety either. He's also invisible on special teams.

The safety crop at SS in my opinion isn't strong... so I personally do not agree with you saying Harper is a guy that is really replaceable. He excels in our system and has gone to multiple Pro Bowls. It's not as easy replacing that as you seem to make it out to be.

I'd love to have Weddle here... who in my opinion is a better overall safety and can play both spots along with spot nickel duty in some packages. But, he's going to get a massive contract on the open market this offseason.

I think Usama Young will be re-signed, and for basically one reason... he can play multiple positions. He has played some at FS, and CB, and SS, so he is versatile. That means he would likely give the team an extra position on the roster. Guys like that do wonders for your team, even though they do not excel anywhere, and are not great players. Usama will be re-signed.

Jack Vegas 07-17-2011 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 309001)
I think Usama's time here is done. He hasn't improved much from year to year and has been burned consistently over the past couple of seasons. I no longer feel comfortable with him getting snaps at corner... and he hasn't showed me much of anything at safety either. He's also invisible on special teams.

I would challenge you to go back and look at 2 game early in the season when Harper was out and Usama took his place. Usama played lights out from the strong safety spot. Forget about everything else, just watch him play and then try to tell me he isn't capable of replacing Harper.

Danno 07-17-2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 309154)
I would challenge you to go back and look at 2 game early in the season when Harper was out and Usama took his place. Usama played lights out from the strong safety spot. Forget about everything else, just watch him play and then try to tell me he isn't capable of replacing Harper.

You are correct. He had a great game, in fact he got a gameball for the 1st one.

He has a future at FS/SS, just not at CB. Whenever he's gotten burned, its been at CB.

Jack Vegas 07-17-2011 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 309162)
I like Young ,,and he does posses better speed at SS than Harper...he might get his shot..i mean if the Hometown discount aint enough...but i hope if Harper walks we bring in a good vet to man that spot..what SS FAs are out there?

Quintin Mikell is probably the best player out there but he's going to make bank just like Harper. I like Melvin Bullitt from the Colts myself, being in Indy I've seen a lot of him and he's a complete safety. Very underrated player.

papz 07-17-2011 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 309154)
I would challenge you to go back and look at 2 game early in the season when Harper was out and Usama took his place. Usama played lights out from the strong safety spot. Forget about everything else, just watch him play and then try to tell me he isn't capable of replacing Harper.

I'm sorry but a good game against the gaudy Carolina Panthers doesn't show me he's capable of replacing our Pro Bowler Roman Harper. Why should I forget about everything else he's done here for the past few years? It's relevant to how much he's grown as a player. He hasn't. I'm fine with him being a reserve here because the talent is there... well at least the measureables.

Jack Vegas 07-17-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 309248)
I'm sorry but a good game against the gaudy Carolina Panthers doesn't show me he's capable of replacing our Pro Bowler Roman Harper.

He played another great game against the Seahawks, against an offense that clearly took advantage of Roman Harper in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 309248)
Why should I forget about everything else he's done here for the past few years?

Pray tell, what has he done that's so awful, besides being a good backup and special teamer? We can't fault him for being burned at the corner when he's NOT A CORNER.

BTW, that play in the Super Bowl everybody always talks about to illustrate how bad he is? He got no safety help, and guess whose side it was on? Hint: he wears #41.

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 309248)
It's relevant to how much he's grown as a player. He hasn't.

That's merely your opinion, don't state it as fact. Regardless, if you keep an open mind and judge him on his performance at safety, you'll find you're wrong.

papz 07-18-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 309268)
He played another great game against the Seahawks, against an offense that clearly took advantage of Roman Harper in the playoffs.

"Great game"... well that's quite an exaggeration. They threw the ball all over us. If Lynch didn't lose two fumbles, they scoring in that game would have been higher.

So basically one "great game" against mighty Carolina Panthers and "great game" against the Seahawks and sudden now he's ready to take over for Roman Harper. This does not compute.

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Pray tell, what has he done that's so awful, besides being a good backup and special teamer? We can't fault him for being burned at the corner when he's NOT A CORNER.
Since I have not called him an awful player, I couldn't explain this to you. Usama Young is an average backup and special teams player. A so-called 2 "great games" does not disclude what he's done over past couple of seasons. You can keep not calling him a corner, but that's the position where he was drafted and played at for the past 5 seasons. Now while this may not the best position for him, I'm sorry but that's where plays for the most part.

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BTW, that play in the Super Bowl everybody always talks about to illustrate how bad he is? He got no safety help, and guess whose side it was on? Hint: he wears #41.
It's happened on more than one occasion where he has been caught looking into the backfield. I'm not excluding Harper from any blame... we all know he's not exactly the best cover guy out there. He's a box safety.
Yes he's upgradeable... but the money it'll cost to do so isn't worth it especially with our own free agents looming. I'm not blind and bias into thinking he's an all world safety. I'm also not blind into thinking Usama Young is the answer because he had two "great games".

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That's merely your opinion, don't state it as fact. Regardless, if you keep an open mind and judge him on his performance at safety, you'll find you're wrong.
It seems to me that you're the one pushing Harper as being easily replaceable and Young as a more than adequte replacement for him. I am open minded... I'm aware he has talent and the measureables to succeed there. I'm aware Young plays better with the ball in front of him. But in 5 years, he hasn't shown much. And that... is a FACT.

If you're going to continue to sit there and use his "great game" against Carolina to reason that he'll be a good replacement for Harper than you my friend... need to take off the blinders and think logically.

jeanpierre 07-18-2011 04:27 PM

How bout this brothers, Young and Harper beg for an upgrade at the Strong Safety position...

Both Dawan Landry and Quintin Mikell are two free agents that would be awesome in the Saints scheme...

Donte Whitner is also available...

papz 07-18-2011 08:14 PM

I like Whitner and I think a change of scenery will serve him well.


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