What Jake has that Aaron doesnt?
 

1= A very dependable RUNNING GAME. Davis goes down Foster comes in and picks up the slack. Jake ony threw the ball 14 times in the NFC championship game.

2= DEFENSE!! Jake has a defense to rely on so he doesn't have to make plays all the time. I don't think that Jake is a better leader than Brooks. I think Brooks is a very good leader. Leadership starts from head coaching. If the Saints need a better leader then they may need a better coach.

3= COACHING!!!!

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All I know is I would rather face a Delhomme led Panthers team than an Aaron Brooks led Panthers team.

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I\'d rather face a Delhomme led Panthers than an Aaron Brooks led Panthers. Aaron would be a dangerous quarterback if he had any kind of defense to fall back on or rely on like Jake.

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Does anyone really believe that Delhomme\'s leadership is responsible for the Panthers success? I don\'t. The Delhomme supporters like to talk about that because it\'s something that can\'t be proven or disproven. It\'d be like me saying Doug Williams was a better leader than Dan Fouts.

Delhomme is not even as good as Trent Dilfer, IMO. Leadership, leadership, leadership. Is that all they got? I\'ll tell ya right now that I don\'t like Delhomme at all. I\'m not scared to say it. It\'s nothing personal against Jake, it\'s because the Brooks\' bashers are in love with this guy, therefore I hate him.

[Edited on 22/1/2004 by BillyC]

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Jake came in an lit a fire under the Panthers in the second half of their first game. Even I won\'t deny that. Jake is servicable, but special or \"top 5\", as some seem to think a team requires, he is definately not.

Jake has a bad habit of underthrowing people and there are other parts of his game that defenses will have caught up to by next year. Personally, I don\'t give him 1 chance in hell of beating the Patriots \"D\" in Houston either.

Honestly, if you take away the Panthers luck they don\'t have much except for a pretty good front four on defense, and that includes the QB. If their defense wasn\'t able to keep games close they would have struggled to win 7 games this year, and that\'s a fact.

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2003 Carolina Panthers 16 15 449 266 59.2 3219 7.17 67 19 16 23/168 46 9 80.6

Jake threw 19-TD\'s and 16-Int\'s and had 15-fumbles and I\'m suppose to beleive that he LED them to a super bowl? He didn\'t lose 15-fumbles but he did fumble the ball 15-times. Now, he did indeed throw only 3 more TD\'s than Int\'s.

It makes me sick to hear the Brooks bashers stick up for a no talented QB like Delhomme and bash our QB like they do. Somewhere those folks have to lose credibility. I\'ve watched Brooks carry our offense on his shoulders at times. I\'ve wathced Brooks almost single handidly win games. I\'ve watched Brooks go through more hell than any QB in New Orleans history. I don\'t like and never have liked it. Then to hear a bunch of whining Brooks\' bashers praise Delhomme. It\'s sickening!!

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What is that tangible asset that Brooks brings to the game ???

You must never have seen Archie play in New Orleans ...... Because if you had , you would know this is the most absurd statement ever made in the history of man kind .

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I watched him play 08. He was loved back then too. Sure, he went though a little negetivity, but nothing like Brooks. Quit making things up!!

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I see so you are talking mental anguish here . Not the got no front line , defense uses the quarterback as a meeting point and quarterback needs help getting off the turf kind of hell .

You are talking the little boys down the street are talking bad about me momma kind of personal locked inside your mind hell .

Brooks is the sesitive type , so maybe he has problems with that ......

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Yeah, 08, that\'s exactly what I\'m talking about. The same kind Terry Bradshaw went through in Pittsburg. Which is the reason he never went back to Pittsburg until recently. He had very hard feelings towards the city of Pittsburg, because of some ignorant things said about him by some ignorant fans and the media. Pretty much the samethings you and other say about Brooks!!

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Someone has a short memory around here or just doesn\'t listen. :mad2:

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Alright Joe. I think I\'ll take a break for a little while. I seem to be upsetting the balance of this board.

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You forgot to mention you\'ve also seen Brooks lose games single-handedly, squarely that is on his shoulders also. Delhomme is not the most physically talented QB in the league, that is for sure, which makes his feat as a starting QB going to the Superbowl that much more impressive. Hypothetically, I would trade brooks for Delhomme any day of the week as the Saint\'s QB. But then again, I would trade Brooks for just about any other QB in the league. Delhomme has the intangibles that Brooks does not.

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Funny - the Saints did face a Delhomme led Panthers team twice this season. We were 0-2 in those games. Apparently if Brooks had been playing the league would have given the Panthers a third game or something. LMAO.

I\'m not sure if that \"top five\" comment is directed towards me or my comments, but if it is, you totally misunderstand my point Saintfan. Just to be clear, I think quite the opposite. We DON\'T NEED a top 5 guy. However, if you\'re going to pay a guy over 35 million dollars to be a top 5 QB, he damn well better be, b/c you\'re giving up a LOT in terms of other personnel for that one guy.

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You\'ve been on this \"Money Kick\" again of late WhoDat. How Come? The Saints are in good shape even with Brooks\' contract. Please tell me what Brooks\' contract has to do with the price of tea in China.

I realize you were against this contract from the very beginning; however, at the very beginning there were backups making more than Brooks was making. He held out for more money. He could have gone down in camp and never played again, and this ain\'t Major League Baseball so nothing is guaranteed. You fault the man and accuse him of character flaws because he was in a position to better himself?

Brooks may be top 5 here and top 10 there but you can\'t argue that his numbers are solid. Better than solid. The Saints offense was less explosive last year for sure (for reasons that go beyond Aaron Brooks), but give me last year\'s offense and a defense that could keep a game close and I could have provided you with a playoff team.

[Edited on 23/1/2004 by saintfan]

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I don\'t fault AB for his contract. I fault the Saints. The man\'s \"character faults\" are mutually exclusive from his contract. What\'s interesting to me is that after going to the playoffs in his first season here, Haslett let Glover go b/c even though he was a Pro Bowl player (no questions about potential or whether or not he could get there b/c he already had). Why? He cost too much and was the wrong guy for our system. I hated that move too. This is no different. Brooks costs too much and is wrong for our system... and he\'s not even proving that he\'s tops in the league at his position like Glover had, and continues to do now.

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Glover was not only cut becuase of his salary. One of the BIG reasons Haslett cut Glover was because of his size and teams were running on us up the middle with Glover there. Not to the extent they are now, but they were doing it too much for Haslett\'s liking. I think it was a bad decision, but Haslett didn\'t cut Glover only because of his salary.

With that said, I agree with WhoDat that a player needs to earn his salary. But a players performance flucuates from year to year. Very rarely will a QB finish in the top 5 every year. Or any other player as a matter of fact. The only way to live up to WhoDat\'s standards is to pay a player by performance each year.

Just look at Rickey Williams. Top 5 one year and no the next. Look at almost anyone and that\'s the way it is.

[Edited on 23/1/2004 by BillyC]

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Maybe, but Brooks hasn\'t ever been top 5. It\'s not like he had an off year. His numbers this year, all around, were the best of his career. They still didn\'t get him to a performance level equal to what we\'re paying him to deliver.

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Whodat, Brooks had a good year. Everything is relative don\'t you agree? Is Farve making too much money? How about McNabb?

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McNabb? Yes. Favre, no.

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I agree with you that McNabb is overrated and overpaid...not so sure tho why you don\'t think Farve is.

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It\'s hard to overpay a sure-fire Hall-of-Hamer who keeps finding his way to the Pro Bowl, has won two Super Bowls, and has made the playoffs 9 out of the last 12 years??