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jeanpierre 10-18-2011 09:57 PM

Saints First Round Picks > FAIL!
When you look at the first round picks (see below) I see major disappointment and a big reason why the Saints have limited their success...

2002 Pick 13 Donte Stallworth, WR Tennessee

This guy didn't make the news for success for the Saints - this guy killed someone with his car, served less than a month and still committed crime by stealing an NFL salary as a receiver; Could have saved future draft picks and took Shockey who went next...

2002 Pick 25 Charles Grant, DE Georgia

This guy's biggest headline was when his posse shot a pregnant woman; move up one spot and you get Ed Reed, move back one spot, Lito Sheppard.

2003 Pick 6 Johnathan Sullivan, DT Georgia

Another Bulldog who was more intimidating to buffet tables than opposing quarterbacks. Again, could have kept picks 17 and 18; though Polamalu was gone at 16, could have gotten Faine (21) earlier and Asomugha (31)...

2004 Pick 18 Will Smith, DE Ohio State

Very late bloomer, has had varying degrees and stretches of success; gets his stats in bunches against inferior competition; had a nice stretch during the '09 campaign; is that all he's got left? Good Value here though Jared Allen and Shaun Phillips were there in Round 4...

2005 Pick 13 Jammal Brown, OT Oklahoma

Excellent Right Tackle; moved to left tackle marginalized him; still lives off of his brief early Probowl success; for what he's paid by the Redskins (value), Saints should have gotten more draft pick value; Now we love Drew, but Aaron Rodgers would have stopped the "He Who Is No Longer Named" Experience at quarterback, also Roddy While and Logan Mankins in that round; Michael Roos who's a far better Tackle was taken in early Round 2 (we took Josh Bullocks with the previous pick)...

2006 Pick 2 Reggie Bush, RB Southern California

This pick was tremendous and helped change the culture in New Orleans; stubbornness to make him a pro-forma running back was near sighted as he was a tremendous receiver that affected defenses; his selfishness disheartened fans and hastened his exit; Charlie Casserly is vindicated, while this was the right pick at the right time, and he provided an immediate impact, Saints could have built more for future with picks Haloti Ngata, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, or Nick Mangold...

2007 Pick 27 Robert Meachem, WR Tennessee

Lacked conditioning, a wide receiver at that, to play effectively his rookie season; has had some long gainers for highlights that could have easily gone to other receivers...marks a tremendous slide in return on first round picks, Bust; the draft we should have moved up in to take Patrick Willis, Darelle Revis, Dwayne Bowe, or Jon Beason...

2008 Pick 7 Sedrick Ellis, DT Southern California

The consolation pick; Saints failed to get Glenn Dorsey from KC and instead pick the underwhelming DT from USC; for what was given up, Bust; Stay where we were we have Jerrod Mayo, or even pick Ryan Clady...

2009 Pick 14 Malcolm Jenkins. DB Ohio State

Has developed extremely well but seems to have hit a ceiling; while he's made some plays, does not give many big hits or make interceptions as his mentor had provided; stock is starting to slide, Jury Deliberating; I wanted Clay Matthews...

2010 Pick 32 Patrick Robinson, CB Florida State

Non-exististent his first season, had good off season despite lock out and while he's had his growing lessons on National Television has played well; could Saints have moved back into early Round 2 and still have found him there for the value he's given thus far? Can he take his game to the next level to warrant his selection in first round? Jury asks for Menu; Let's give 'em a little more time, though he got one free season on us...

2011 Pick 24 Cameron Jordan, DE California

While he'll need some time to develop; you'd think with Smith, Ellis, Rogers/Franklin that this first rounder could have a few more big plays; but it is early, but one thing for sure is the pass rush has not improved at all...Jury ask to continue in AM; let's geaux all you DL can't be being doubled...

2011 Pick 28 Mark Ingram, Jr., RB Alabama

When you consider the premium on draft picks after the changes in the CBA, and the cache given to New England to get him; the low YPC and failed conversions on short yardage situations, he's disappointing and underwhelming; nothing like what Saints Nation was sold on...Jury asks to be excused as their Grandma is sick; you were supposed to be the Rookie Offensive Player of the Year, not the guy from Auburn...

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jeanpierre 10-18-2011 10:06 PM

Chose 2002 to start as that was when the Executive of the Year took the helm...

papz 10-18-2011 10:11 PM

Well isn't hindsight 20/20... well not really.

I see plenty of impact players on that list and contributors on that list which led us to a Superbowl win 2 years ago.

This is a whole lot of fail... just like how you pegged Cam Newton to be a bust. To tell you the truth, I knew the rest was going to be crap. I don't know what you're watching but we've had plenty of success since Sean Payton arrived. Get from under that rock and you'd stop missing out.

Did you apply from the GM job yet? Scout? It sure looks like we could use your expertise.

jeanpierre 10-18-2011 10:13 PM

How many probowls on the list? Smith, Brown

Rounds 2-7 contribute, Rounds 1 are difference makers...

papz 10-18-2011 10:19 PM

Because Pro Bowl appearances define whether or not you're a good player.

You do realize Reggie Bush was All Pro in 2008 right?

Care to bet Malcolm Jenkins makes a couple of trips during his career?

jcp026 10-18-2011 10:22 PM

I'm going to give Ingram a pass so far. Questionable/Predictable play calling and awful o-line play have really hurt his production.

jeanpierre 10-18-2011 10:24 PM

Again, Rounds 2-7 contribute, Rounds 1 are difference makers...

Would you argue that Ellis was worth the move up or even warranted Round 1 selection?

Would you argue that Meachem is worth his selection in round 1 when in the Saints system, any receiver can be a weapon?

Would you argue that two shots in Round 1 with Stallworth and Grant weren't major disappointment?

Would you argue that ignoring History does not condemn one to repeat it?

jeanpierre 10-18-2011 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by jcp026 (Post 340880)
I'm going to give Ingram a pass so far. Questionable/Predictable play calling and awful o-line play have really hurt his production.

And that's fair assessment, which is why last year's and this year's round one's need a little more time...though round 1's should start right away, and they have this year

FireVenturi 10-18-2011 10:28 PM

Who wouldn't get the draft right 5 years later, lol...

Most of these picks I was ok with at the time.

Meachem is a good player. Without his strip against the skins, who knows maybe we don't get home field advantage.

Jenkins was a st beast in 09

Ellis and Smith both played well in 09

While Reggie was a bust, we probably have a tougher game against the cards in the playoffs without him.

I agree that Stallworth, Sullivan, and Grant were crappy picks.

jeanpierre 10-18-2011 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by FireVenturi (Post 340883)
Who wouldn't get the draft right 5 years later, lol...

I agree, we'd all like to geaux back each year and redo our fantasy drafts...

But as an organization, when you miss this much, I think you gotta take a step back and look at the formula and see what could be improved on...

The lack of impact success in Round 1 is what I'm illustrating and while I hope we've turned a corner with Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram; their is evidence to review and analyze...

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