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Rumor has it that Terrelle Smith , has turned down recent contract offers from the Saints .
This might be an area of concern for the Saints in the future, with the potential of Duece and Terelle wanting larger paydays . Some might see this as an indication that Mc Carthy may be leaning towards a heavier ground attack and more play action pass next year ..... |
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If McCarthy wants to go to some sort of power running game, we don\'t have the linemen for it. Bentley and Fontenot are the only guys who are really run blocking guys. It would explain the rumors about 2 tight end sets, but Boo will have to work on his blocking to even attempt to run that type of offense. Since Haslett seems to have made a genuine effort to dump all of his run blocking linemen, this sort of offense seems ill-advised. I smell \"complete overhaul\". |
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The line is built for run blocking. Are you forgetting that Victor Riley and Montrae Holland are specialized in run blocking. Kendyl Jacox is also a pretty good run blocker. The only player I question as far as run blocking is Gandy and he\'s pretty good.
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This does smell like Haslett. Can\'t leave a good thing alone. Anyone want to bet that our defense is better than our offense next season? You know that the Saints can only play well on one side of the ball at a time. I love Deuce, but we need to better utilize our WRs, TEs, and Brooks to spread the field and open up running lanes with the pass. Not the opposite. Leave it alone Haslett!!
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i have to agree with SFA, our line is a solid run blocking line, and is a pretty descent pass blocking line as well. we have good depth on the line and i think we will actually be better on the line this year as our 2nd round pick last year, stinchcomb will see more playing time and montrae holland should be starting but i also expect the saints to take another lineman in the draft to add to the depth
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3rd round pick :
Alex Stepanovich, Sr, Ohio State Solid prospect in the center of the line . Scouting Report: Alex Stepanovich By TFY Draft Preview Date: Nov 3, 2003 Big, mean thug in the middle of the line that controls the situation. Nasty, looks to destroy defenders and usually does. [Edited on 12/2/2004 by saintz08] |
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I\'d be in favor of it. Would go a long way towards a dominant interior line for the next several years.
Still going to need to address the tackles in the next year or so. |
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If there was early interest in other centers in the draft , I would go with Alex Stepanovich at the 2B position of the Saints draft .
Denver is projected 1.7 million over the cap . Potential cap casualities out of Denver : WR. Ed Mc Caffrey DT. Daryl Gardner T. Ephraim Salaam Without clearing more bodies out of Denver , you have to wonder how they are going to resign Wilson . Jerimiah Trotter proved to be less then effective in the Redskins system , he could be someone that Gibbs looks at as a cap casuality . There might be some MLB position surprises out there ahead . Hopefully Gandy holds up for the next season , they put some money out for him and to cut him would hurt the cap . |
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The only problem with getting a lineman out of Denver is that you\'d have to re-train him...chop blocking (and cheating in general) is part of their game, and the refs would never allow the Saints to get away with that stuff! ;) LOL
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Thats a 100% undeniable FACT! Forget the LOL, its not a joke. OK boys and girls, where did Denver learn the leg whips and chop blocks from? Thats right - the epitome of evil - the 49ers. NLMAO :mad: Die you vermen bile! |
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Why do we need interior linemen? I was under the impression that we had about a million young talented interior linemen that could play multiple positions. I\'d like a real lock-down LT. Move Gandy over to the right where he has a chance to maintain as he ages. I think he is overrated now and as he gets a step slower and young DEs keep getting bigger and faster, he\'s going to get exploited. If we take any OLman in the draft I want a LT.
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Was board trolling last night and I came upon a post from a poster that stood out at me , not because of any stats or great arguements but because of a couple of interesting thoughts .
The 08 Propaganda file thread , is not about fact . It is about rumors , speculation and stirring the creative thought process . Give it a read : Quote:
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Go Rita!
That would be awesome. I can think of no better gift that Benson could give to the franchise and the state than Eli Manning. If there was ever a time to pull a Ditka and make the trade, this is it. Even though I think we could pawn off Brook on the Chargers with our number 2\'s and get the top pick. |
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More pressing needs on defense.... more pressing needs on defense... our QB, while not great, is not the problem. Hello? As much as I like to bash Brooks, paying another unproven athlete a ton of money to be inconsistent (which any rookie QB will be) is a BAD idea.
That being said, I do love the idea of a Manning back in Black and Gold. I\'ll tell you what. You get me Al Wilson, Champ Bailey or Charles Woodson and another servicable CB or DT and I\'ll support the Manning deal whole-heartedly. If the Saints make this move I will no doubt love the kid, but it\'s still the WRONG move for this organization - especially b/c it will probably save Haslett\'s job, and that may be the worst reason of all. |
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I\'m tired of worrying about our offense. I\'d like to see all D this offseason. Let\'s see if Haslett can make some decent personel decisions on that side of the ball and make them work. I\'m as guilty of Manninglove as the next guy, but I\'m tired of starting over. Haslett has made his bed; let\'s make him sleep in it and not give him a chance to change the sheets. (Was that, like, the worst metaphor ever, or what?) |
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I think this year\'s draft is one of those watershed moments. We have a realistic shot of making a major move on Eli. A Manning in the black and gold would do a LOT to buy this franchise some credibility. A Manning in black and gold would do a LOT for the long term prospects of this team. What we do have is a pretty decent free agency in front of us with proven players in all of our critical need positions. So why not make a move on Eli? Here are some things we already know, take them to the bank. 1. Haslett will mismanage most games he coaches, this is going to hurt his long term prospects here. Eli will not save him. If anything, fans will go ape that Haslett is hurting Eli\'s chances for success. 2. Venturi and McCarthy aren\'t showing me that they are even average coordinators on this level. This does not bode well for Haslett\'s long term prospects here. 3. Haslett is not a great evaluator/developer of talent. I don\'t see Haslett making all the right moves in a draft. If anything the guy reaches on players that aren\'t good value. Last year\'s Georgia love-fest should make this evident. 4. Several key free agents are going to hit the market. If the 49ers tag Peterson, they have to let Plummer walk. I\'d be happy with Plummer at corner. Robaire Smith and Ted Washington are both going to be free agents and I\'d be happy with either of them. Denver won\'t be able to protect both Wilson and Gold and either would be a real coup for us. Jeremiah Trotter may find himself a cap casualty and be a great value. All this to say that we have a shot at really going after some premier players. The right 3 free agents might save Haslett\'s job, but I\'m pretty secure that Haslett could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with any dream team you could imagine. 5. Haslett doesn\'t develop draft picks very well. We basically get 2 starters a year through Haslett\'s draft prowess. Sometimes we get lucky, sometimes we get Stinchcomb. The draft is not a magic bullet to fix what ails this defense. Best case scenario nets us 2 starters. Everyone here knows that rookie corners get burned on a regular basis and Haslett like defensive linemen. We will have holes left over if we\'re counting on the draft to give us starters. 6. Haslett LOVES Brooks. This fact alone puts Haslett\'s job in peril. 7. However, if Haslett could be locked in a closet on draft day, maybe someone would have the presence of mind to trade Brooks to the Chargers and not have to sacrifice our entire draft to go get Eli. For whatever else he is, Brooks is a starting QB with a large head. The Chargers might be persuaded to give up their number 1 for our number 2\'s and Brooks. All of this depends on who wins the Mark Brunnell derby. The most important fact is that a shot at Eli is a once in a lifetime shot, we ought to move heaven and earth to go get him. Venturi already cost us Peyton, let\'s not let Eli get away. [Edited on 13/2/2004 by BrooksMustGo] |
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Brunell has an outstanding contract that is due 10.5 million .
Gibbs immediately went after Brunell as a potential starter . For the Redskins to sign Brunell they might have to get rid of someone .Someone on Airline dr. could potentially put together a low round draft pick trade for Trotter being the the Redskins would be looking for immediate cap relief .Trotter does not fit in their system and has not lived up to their expectations . If the Saints could package a deal to San Diego , which would include Brooks , the first draft pick and the first second pick , the Chargers could bite . Spanos in San Diego has no desire to have another rookie under center . Then go to Washington and offer a 3rd or a 4th to take Trotter off their hands , who they may potentially cut anyway . The Saints have the middle linebacker problem solved . Saints could go after a name corner in free agency and then the Saints could go in on draft day with an early 2nd and draft a corner . Saints would have a leader under center and a leader in the defensive center . Along with a veteran corner and a rookie corner . |
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If the Saints trade Brooks I swear I\'ll send 08 some whiskey. Not gonna happen. |
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As good as I think Eli will be, as much as the prospect of a Manning wearing a Fleur de Lis makes me salivate, not only will it not happen, it shouldn\'t happen. Making a move for Eli Manning is a BAD move for this team. I mean, if Brooks is such a bad QB, and you get rid of him, then what? Does Bouman start? What if he plays well - when do you bring in the kid and if he struggles, will the fans turn on him and want Bouman back? This team is a few players away from being real contenders. MOST of the players are on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball, and QB is not a concern. I mean, let\'s get real. The Saints do not have the money, even with all the cap room, to sign Howard, a Wilson-type LB, Bailey-type corner, Washington-type DT, AND the first pik of the draft. Not a chance. I\'m not sure what pawning Brooks\' contract off would do to our numbers, but even with that I don\'t know if what you guys are talking about is possible. Further, the time for this team is NOW. Get the impact players you need in free agency. Look for a guy who can come in and start as a rookie in the first round of the draft and make your push for a SB. Why would you want to make a major position on the field even more questionable? I\'m not a fan of Brooks, but right now, like it or not, it doesn\'t make sense to make a change... unless, and this is the only way I can see it being viable, the Saints believe that Bouman can be a legitimate challenger for the starting spot this season. Then you get rid of Brooks while his stock is still high. That being said, knowing how Haslett treats Brooks, I seriously doubt that he\'d consider any other QB in New Orleans. |
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I also agree with you completely regarding the time for the Saints being NOW. I think they\'ve got a coupla years to get it done and I cannot understand why it is that people wanna sacrifice that for a rookie QB just because his last name is Manning. Nothing againt Eli...if things were different I\'d be all for tradin up for the kid, but things being what they are it doesn\'t make sense unless you\'re willing to sacrifice NOW for LATER. |
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Oh my god, I don’t know what is worse, the endless Brooks bashing that was going on a couple weeks ago, or the endless wet dreams that Eli is our savor and going to lead us to the promised land.
Sure Eli is an amazing player in college, but as we all know that doesn’t translate into the NFL. I’m sure that Eli would do an amazing job for the marketing department, however other than that reason, why would we want to start all over again? If we were to pick him up, who starts as QB? Also with the cap hit we would take, we wouldn’t be able to address all of our issues on D. By no means am I a Brooks lover, however I am also not a Brooks hater. He puts up ok (if not better) numbers; he does have a couple of faults. The most glaring being his lack of leadership. However that seems to be addressed with Duece becoming more vocal. We need to upgrade the D, before we tamper with anything else. I feel that the Saints would be making a horrible choice if we got Eli, for no other reason than it’s ignoring our biggest issues. Unless as WhoDat says, we address the other issues first, then I also would be more inclined to support this idea (but still not fully sold on it). On another note, I also agree with Gator, the threads are getting better as of late. (Where’s Billy C?) |
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Well now we know in most part what the numbers are Brunell is going for .
Ramsey\'s Concern Continues QB May Seek Trade If Brunell Joins Redskins By Nunyo Demasio Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, February 13, 2004; Page D01 The agent for Washington Redskins quarterback Patrick Ramsey expressed concern yesterday over the size of the contract being negotiated between the team and quarterback Mark Brunell of the Jacksonville Jaguars, and suggested his client would seek a trade if Brunell comes to Washington. Brunell is negotiating with the Redskins on a four-year contract worth $20 million, including an $8 million signing bonus, sources said, a deal that would put Brunell in line with what many NFL starters earn. :hallucine: Quote:
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Yeash I agree... while Eli in the black and gold makes for a pretty nice little daydream, it would be a huge mistake for the Saints to trade away draftpicks and to take a large cap hit to upgrade the QB position. The QB position isn\'t the problem with the Saints. It might not be the strength of the team, but the D is what needs fixing.
And does no one remember the last time a Manning played for the Saints? How many championships did they win with Archie under center? I\'d much rather the Saints be a good team with an average QB than a bad team with a great QB. |
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Nope...that just means the Odds are in my favor. :P
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If Haslett picked the exact players we all would want on D, it wouldn\'t matter, because only the players ready to come in and start would do so. Any players that need to be developed, won\'t be under Haslett\'s tutelage. We will still be scratching our heads in 3 years wondering why Stallworth never established himself as a #2 receiver and why Hodge didn\'t pan out. Draft picks are not even close to a solution with the current regime. The only hope of success we might have is to go get guys who already know how to play. Will Eli, we have a chance to have a dynasty once Haslett loses his job here. |
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Somebody is assuming a whole lot. I\'ll just leave it at that.
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Yeah, but he does make a decent point.
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The Redskins are working on a top shelf trade with ........Drum roll please ......The Kansas City Chiefs ........The trade includes Champ Bailey for the number 1 from the Chiefs . |
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Does Champ just really dig the whole Native American motif, or what?
Maybe it\'s a Village People thing. :o [Edited on 15/2/2004 by whowatches] |
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Yes, it\'s time for another addition to the 08 Propaganda report .
This time we will deal with the New Orleans Saints , going to Los Angeles rumor . Let\'s just say this rumor has always annoyed me , for the reason of logistics . Taglibue and his relentless deire to establish a team in the Los Angeles market area despite the failure of 2 previous teams . Saints propaganda , has tried to establish the market was robust and ripe for the picking for the Saints if certain conditions were not met for the Saints in New Orleans .This despite the fact that 2 local teams were once again looking to use Los Angeles as a potential out of their own areas . 1. San Diego Chargers - Have been looking to get out of their stadium lease and see the Los Angeles market as a chance to widen their fan base . 2. Arizona Cardinals - With area population dwindling and general stadium attendance down , the Los Angeles market has been thought to be a place for the Cardinals to go in the event of a general league supported pullout of the Arizona area . Looks like Spanos could be looking to make a run for Los Angeles . Chargers | Spanos Has Held Secret Meetings With Councilman Regarding Stadium Lease - from www.KFFL.com Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:35:51 -0800 Caitlin Rother, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports San Diego Councilman Jim Madaffer made a surprise announcement unknown to other council members last week, informing the council that he has met four times with San Diego Chargers president Dean Spanos without the council\'s authorization. Madaffer\'s meetings with Spanos began during the council\'s three-week recess in December of 2003, nearly a month after the Chargers filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles against the city in a dispute over whether the team has met the financial criteria necessary to get out of its lease of Qualcomm Stadium. The meetings were held Dec. 18 and Jan. 6, 16 and 20, each lasting 45 to 90 minutes, Madaffer said. Hopefully Spanos will close that option for good ..... |
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WhoDat, I\'ll quibble with you just a bit. My main idea is that Haslett doesn\'t develop players as a general rule. The starters he gets basically come in ready to play. Once a guy has started for a while, I would say that generally experience will be a good teacher and he will grow. My concern is for guys that are drafted and not ready to start.
As for the specifics Howard--I think he came in ready to start and has gotten better through experience. Grant--Basically came in ready to compete for a starting spot or at least to be a situational player and has learned through experience. Horn--As he wasn\'t a draftee, he doesn\'t fit under my general rule. But you do have me with him, I can\'t really explain why Joe comes to the Saints and just exploded into this pro-bowl player. Deuce--Was totally ready to start anywhere he went. Were it not for injury concerns he would have gone in the top 10. Lewis--You may have a point here. But I think the jury is still out on him. All we know for sure is that he can run really fast, but he hasn\'t developed into a dependable receiver. Bentley--I would argue that he could have gone anywhere and started. I am concerned about LeCharles because he seemed to regress at points this season. Boo--You have a point. The guy really wasn\'t starting material and he has grown into that. I can\'t explain it. Still not great at blocking, but the guy is a serious receiving threat. I\'d still basically say that the guys who pan out from the draft are either ready to start or are exceptions the the general rule. Basically, I don\'t think we should worry TOO much about trading picks because Haslett hasn\'t shown that he can do much with a project player--Ojo anyone? |
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But Ojo didn\'t make it in NFLE or on any of the other teams he played for. I mean, BMG, we generally agree on this, so this discussion is all academic. However, why is it that when a guy pans out he was \"ready to start\" and experience made him better, but when a guy doesn\'t pan out it is Haslett\'s fault? You think a whole lot of other teams get starters out of their fourth round draft picks with any consistency? Every team looks at the two first rounds for players and everyone else is basically a gamble. You seem to think our fourth round picks don\'t turn into starters b/c Haslett can\'t make them starters. Well, maybe it\'s just that they aren\'t good enough, ya know? Don\'t get me wrong, I think players don\'t progress well under Haslett and generally underachieve - I\'m just challenging you to show me another team that conistently gets value out of their ENTIRE draft class year in and year out. Not many teams have been more successful in the first two or three rounds over the last three years than the Saints.
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My basic point is that draft picks are not a panacea. We will not cure what ails this team through this spring\'s draft. I totally agree that players under Haslett don\'t seem to grow and do seem to underachieve. Looking at last season, we came out so slow that I found myself wondering, \"What did these guys do in training camp?\" At any rate, I\'ve noticed some fans who feel that to give up any draft picks would be a fatal mistake. I just don\'t see it that way. If Haslett is lucky he gets 2 starters from the draft. If that\'s the case, why not offer up a few of those picks to secure a guy like Champ Bailey, who we know will force opposing QB\'s to spend a lot more time throwing to the other side of the field? |
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OK, so Haslett or no Haslett, the draft won\'t get us much. Thus, by your reasoning, giving away draft picks is justified if you are getting young proven talent in return. Is that right? If so, I completely agree.
However, consider: let\'s bring Haslett back into this scenario. Since coming here, Haslett & Co. have netted the Saints the following starters through the draft: Deuce, Howard, Bentley, Grant, Stallworth, and Sully (you may be able to add Mitchel to that list this season as well as Stinchcomb, Gardner/Lewis, Cie Grant, and any other players they get in this draft). Even if you discount Stallworth and the maybes I mentioned, you\'re still left with Deuce, Bentley, Grant, Howard, and Sully. Can you name five more valuable players for this franchise? You see, I\'m very split on this. In principle, I think proven talent is much more valuable than draft picks. However, with Haslett, FA pick ups are rarely PROVEN & EXPERIENCED. THey either look for diamonds in the rough or make block buster trades for athletes who aren\'t necessarily great players. Really, with this crew since the loss of Mueller, it\'s a toss up. |
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