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RockyMountainSaint 03-12-2012 02:58 PM

NFL strips Dal and Wash of cap space!
 
League strips Cowboys, Redskins of millions in cap space | ProFootballTalk

Well, it wasn’t just a rumor.

We explained an hour ago that there has been talk of the NFL taking action against teams that deliberately dumped salaries into the uncapped year of 2010.

The two primary violators were the Cowboys and Redskins, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. Per Schefter, the league will punish the teams by removing millions in cap dollars?

How many millions? Schefter reports that the Cowboys will lose more than $10 million — and that the Redskins will lose $36 million. (And now we know why the Redskins got the Griffin deal done last week; the Rams likely would have wanted even more for the second overall pick now.)

The teams can divide the cap losses between 2012 and 2013 in any portion they want. As of Sunday, the Redskins more than $30 million in cap space in 2012. The Cowboys had less than $5 million.

The money will be reallocated to the other teams, with every franchise except the Saints and Raiders picking up $1.6 million in extra cap space. (The Saints and Raiders presumably don’t get the extra money as their own punishment for engaging in similar tactics in 2010.)

saintfan 03-12-2012 03:01 PM

Cheating the cap? Both those teams should be banned to the CFL. Coaches suspended...no, fired....no suspended AND fired...and after they've been good a suspended and fired, THEN they should be banned. In fact they have no business on this planet.

Cheating the cap is a BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG deal and challenges the integrity of the game. the NFL must be HARSH HARSH HARSH with these people.

/sarcasm

lee909 03-12-2012 03:10 PM

Could be great news for us,can't see Dallas being able to offer Nicks the big bucks now.
Hopefully he might decide that playing on a championship calibre team is more important than a extra few dollars playing on a mid level team with plenty of cap space.

saintfan 03-12-2012 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 386168)
Could be great news for us,can't see Dallas being able to offer Nicks the big bucks now.
Hopefully he might decide that playing on a championship calibre team is more important than a extra few dollars playing on a mid level team with plenty of cap space.

Hearing his comments his goal is singular: He wants to be the highest paid.

lee909 03-12-2012 03:13 PM

I wonder if he will stick to that if it means playing for a team like the Seahawks.
I don't see hom here next year but it gives us some hope.

Rugby Saint II 03-12-2012 03:20 PM

Cheating the cap? I didn't know it could be done. I thought they could borrow against next years cap. Keeping up with players and personnel alone is dizzying. I'll just take there word for it.

RockyMountainSaint 03-12-2012 03:22 PM

NFL warned teams

Many of you (specifically, Cowboys and Redskins fans) are wondering how and why the NFL would strip millions in cap money for 2012 and/or 2013 from teams that simply took full advantage of the uncapped year.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the teams were told “at least six times” during ownership-level meetings that there would be “serious consequences” for any team that used the uncapped year as an occasion to dump salaries.

The Cowboys and Redskins engaged in “systematic dumping” of salaries into the uncapped year, despite the warnings.

As to the Saints and Raiders, who won’t lose cap space but likewise won’t get the $1.6 million per team that will be redistributed based on the cap space taken from the Redskins and Cowboys, it’s our understanding that the violations were far less severe. For the Raiders, the dumping of salary in 2010 arose specifically from the dumping of JaMarcus Russell from the roster.

|Mitch| 03-12-2012 03:25 PM

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As to the Saints and Raiders, who won’t lose cap space but likewise won’t get the $1.6 million per team that will be redistributed based on the cap space taken from the Redskins and Cowboys, it’s our understanding that the violations were far less severe.
What did we do?

CharityMike 03-12-2012 03:39 PM

More like, who did we dump?

BGWhoDat 03-12-2012 06:03 PM

The NFL warned teams of a rule that wasn't in place.

Now they're punishing teams for taking advantage over a rule that wasn't in place.

The NFL approved the contract restructures.

For breaking a rule that wasn't in place?

Note: The Raiders got punished for getting rid of JaMarcus Russell....

Much like how they care about player safety oh so much, then want an 18 game schedule.

The NFL just wants money. That's all this is. I lose respect for Goodell daily.

RockyMountainSaint 03-12-2012 07:34 PM

NFLPA agreed to Cowboys/Redskins salary cap sanctions | ProFootballTalk
The NFL’s decision to remove salary cap space now from teams that dumped salary into the uncapped year of 2010 technically constitutes a violation of the labor deal with the players, because the CBA allowed teams to spend at will in the uncapped year, subject to specifically negotiated limits (e.g., six years to unrestricted free agency, the “Final Eight Plan”).

But it’s not a violation if the players agree to it.

Multiple sources with knowledge of the dynamics tell PFT that the NFLPA agreed to allow the NFL to take $10 million in cap space from the Cowboys and $36 million from the Redskins and redistribute the money to all other teams, except the Saints and Raiders. On the surface, the decision of the players to permit money to be robbed from two rich teams that like to spend it and given in equal chunks to 28 other teams (including poor teams that like to hoard it) makes little sense. With the Bengals already near $50 million in cap space, their $1.6 million share of the Cowboys/Redskins cap room quite possibly will be wasted.

So why did the union agree? The sources explain that the NFL offered to help pump up the 2012 team-by-team salary cap in exchange for the union’s agreement to remove cap money from the Cowboys and Redskins. One source said that, without the NFLPA’s agreement regarding the removal of cap room from the Cowboys and Redskins, the 2012 salary cap would have been in the range of $116 million per team. (One source said that the number at one point was presented to the union as being a paltry $113.5 million.) With the players agreeing to remove $46 million from the Cowboys and Redskins, the league agreed to a massaging of the salary and benefit numbers in order to get the 2012 salary cap up to $120.6 million. (The recalculation also kicked in some additional money that otherwise would not have been devoted to salary and benefits for 2012.)

Thus, the union had no real option. Without consenting to the reduction of the Redskins and Cowboys cap numbers, the unadjusted cap limit would have dropped, for the first time ever.

And with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith up for re-election this month, he quite possibly would not have been re-elected.

The delay in the release of the cap number directly arose from the Cowboys/Redskins conundrum. Absent this issue, the cap number would have been disclosed well in advance of the start of the 2012 league year, instead of only two days before it.

Finally, as to the notion that the NFL approved the various contracts that took excessive advantage of the uncapped year in 2010, it’s critical to consider the broader context. The union already was prepared to pounce on any possible evidence of collusion. If the NFL had decided to reject contracts because teams were taking advantage of rules that the teams had every right to take advantage of, the NFLPA would have sued — and the case would have been bolstered by the fact that, on at least six occasions, the NFL had told the teams not to treat the uncapped year as a salary dump. So the NFL approved the contracts and delayed punishment until a point where the league had leverage to persuade the union to agree to an effort to take action after the fact against teams that refused to collude.


So basically, everyone's interest is taken care of except the fans'. Well screw us because all we do is fund this B.S.

RockyMountainSaint 03-12-2012 07:50 PM

Cowboys, Redskins say they complied with salary cap in 2010 | ProFootballTalk

As the saying goes, salary cap shenanigans make for strange bedfellows. Or something.

Arch rivals on the field, the Cowboys and Redskins find themselves facing the loss of millions in salary cap space ($10 million for Dallas, $36 million for Washington) for allegedly treating the “uncapped year” of 2010 too literally. In statements issued only minutes apart on Monday night, both teams state that they at all times complied with the rules.

“The Washington Redskins have received no written documentation from the NFL concerning adjustments to the team salary cap in 2012 as reported in various media outlets,” Redskins G.M. Bruce Allen said. “Every contract entered into by the club during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and, in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office. We look forward to free agency, the draft and the coming football season.”

Said the Cowboys, through a spokesman: “The Dallas Cowboys were in compliance with all league salary cap rules during the uncapped year. We look forward to the start of the free agency period where our commitment to improving our team remains unchanged.”

Before the uncapped year of 2010, the NFL told the teams “at least six times” not to dump salaries into the uncapped year. But any agreement among the teams aimed at limiting spending in the uncapped year constitutes clear and obvious collusion.

The league approved the contracts when submitted because the union would have cried foul if the NFL had tried to apply limits to the uncapped year that didn’t exist in the CBA. All along, the league planned to serve up a cold plate of salary-cap revenge against the Cowboys and Redskins at a later date, at a time when the union would be inclined to agree to an after-the-fact effort to punish anyone who opted not to limit the players’ supply of cash in the months before the lockout.

In hindsight, the league’s effort to penalize the Redskins and Cowboys (and to a lesser extent the Raiders and Saints) proves that the NFL indeed had a plan in place to keep spending low, either by not signing restricted free agents to offer sheets or by hiding behind internal budgets to justify a failure to aggressively spend in unrestricted free agency.

The union has opted not to pick at old scars, in large part because the league’s willingness to bump up the 2012 salary cap from $116 million to $120.6 million likely averted a mutiny against NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith, whose contract expires this month.

The the procedure for challenging the action isn’t clear, but the Cowboys and Redskins should fight. Though the NFL deftly persuaded the players to agree with the plan, the Cowboys and Redskins are being penalized for one simple reality.

They refused to engage in collusion.


Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, the Saints are evil. Wow..........

vpheughan 03-13-2012 08:02 PM

Nothing less than NFL DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!!! Let the CAP GATE reporting begin!!!!!


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