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I'm still not worried; they'll get it done...

The bottom line is that Tom Benson owns this team. It belongs to him. He will do what is best for his franchise, or not. If he wrecks it? His loss. His money.

I am emotionally invested in the Saints. Mainly, because of the connection that they provide me with my son. I'm not 16yo. My son is. We don't have an infinite number of things that we are both interested in. The connection that we are able to share with the Saints is huge to me.

I am a capitalist at heart. I believe that Tom Benson and the NFL should have freedom to run their businesses the way that they see fit. If the market (us) don't like the product? We don't spend our time and money on it.

Certainly the players have an expectation to share in this because pro sports are a virtual monopoly in this nation. They share physical risk. They are rewarded HUGELY financially. They don't put up the dollars, they demand them.

My main point is that the owners OWN their business. The players are employees. They had the opportunity to negotiate anything during the lockout. This is the result. Accept what you agreed to!

If Drew signs? I am happy, provided it doesn't wreck the team. If he leaves? So what? It won't effect the important areas of my life.

If nothing else, it has given me an opportunity to discuss these things with my son.

PRICELESS!

FLAME AWAY! :flame:

I understand where he's coming from. He's one injury away from the middle class.lol

Middle class is becoming a real biatch these days.

:(

Yep, $60 million plus just ain't what it used to be. Poor guy, he may have to sell insurance or drive a forklift to provide for his family if we don't cave to his extreme demands.

I imagine they wil loffer him 20 over the first 3 instead of the 23 he want Or possibly more guaranteed. It will get done.

True, its probably not the yearly average thats the problem, its the guaranteed amount, as Asylum Guido has frequently and corectly pointed out.

Although none of us know jack squat about the details.

SORRY, NO SYMPATHY HERE FROM ME!

Drew, and ALL NFL players need to learn how to manage their finances better.

I have a friend who was a former NFL draft pick for the Bears and played 3 seasons in Chicago. He blew his money and now works at a retail store.

He told me once that neither in College nor the NFL did anyone teach him how to manage or save his money.... all gone. It's a hard life lesson to learn. PM me and I'll tell more.

Current NFL players make 10 times what NFL players made 7 or 10 years ago!!!

It's seriously out of hand. People have a right to do what they want with their money and earn whatever is awarded them in private business.....

But there ARE NO ETHICS or values instilled in these men who are considered "professionals" by a league which professes itself to be held to such "high standards"!!

IT'S A FLIPPING DISGRACE!! HYPOCRISY!!!

THERE, I HAD TO SAY IT. END OF RANT!!!!! :)

It is disgraceful.
It starts with the incestuous relationship between the NCAA and the NFL.
Each says that the other is autonomous and their affairs are their own.
The NFL should have a hand in mentoring these young men that will one day be their employees.
They hold a Rookie Symposium every year following the draft and expect all of these guys to have an epiphany and reverse a lifetime of adults coddling them and accepting poor behavior in a weekend. All because they can play ball.
I won't accept 18 year olds in the NFL like the NBA and MLB has, but there should be a minor league system for dudes who have no business being in secondary education.

The reason that it will never happen is that the NFL won't do it if it isn't profitable.

True altruism would be nice in this case.

I've been thinking about this a lot and here's the thing: even if Drew has invested wisely and has plenty of money for he and all his grandkids to retire, I still don't see why he shouldn't do everything he can to get as much money as he can.

I mean, I COULD live on $15,000/year up here in NY. I'd have to live in a studio apartment with 4 other guys and eat pb&j and ramen noodles for every meal but I could do it. But why should I if I don't have to? I'm not saying Drew is going to have to eat PB&J and Ramen, I'm just saying why should he work for a salary that is not representative of his value to the organization? Or at least TRY to get a salary that represents his value?

Of course he would be fine if he took the "lower" salary that has been offered to him but you know what? The saints organization isn't exactly going to go bankrupt by paying him the extra $5mil. he wants. I know there are salary cap issues but, come on...we all know that the cap numbers can be easily manipulated to make contracts work.

When you go to a car dealer do you just say "oh, the sticker price is $38,000? Yeah, that sounds about right...where do I sign?"

Of course not.

Give the guy time to try to get his money. If it gets to the point where he's holding out from OTAs or games and his contract negotiation starts to hurt the team then get mad...I'll be right there with you...

OK, glad to keep hearing more from Drew. Let's hope Manning will make his decision soon so we can get on with signing Drew. I'm certain Condon wants to get Peyton taken care of so he can concentrate on Drew. Drew will be on ELLEN on thursday.

Drew Brees has played out his 6 year contract. He is one of the best QB in the NFL. To me you are the best. He has won a Super Bowl, broken records, set records.

Drew Brees has done everything that was asked of him and more. He has Won.

Drew is getting older, were all one hit a way from the poor house. I want him to get every dime he can. He has been more then worth it.

We've had Drew for 6 years, I want him here for another 6 years and more. He and his family have been great for New Orleans. He has been great for the SAINTS WHO DAT !

Drew ( MONEY ) Brees. The Saints owe you a Raise and a big one at that.

It's more complicated than that Q...

If there were an infinite salary cap, the Saints would pay Drew whatever number he wrote down, but there ain't...Mickey is trying to pay Drew as much as possible without crippling the competitiveness of the rest of the team...Condon is turning down the "highest paid" contracts because he wants more guaranteed money, which pushes the cap figure up...
They'll figure something out eventually, but the Saints' cap situation is jamming everything up. The tag was only to keep Condon from shopping Drew around while Mickey figures out the rest of free agency and Condon can take care of his other clients.

Hey, Rocky, you a fan of Dead Man?

Great post Rocky!

When he retires or if he ever gets injurred he would make one hell of a paper boy.

On the welcome mat from 60 yards while riding his bicycle at top speed! Dodging traffic.

Can someone explain the difference between playing under the tag in 2012 versus playing out the last year of his contract in 2011?

The risks are identical.

And oddly enough, we offered him a contract that would make him the highest paid QB in NFL history before both seasons started.

We offered him a contract that would make him the highest paid QB in NFL history before both seasons started.

I would like that question answered. It will never happen. What does he want ?