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alleycat_126 04-18-2012 09:47 PM

Asante for a 3rd round pick, too risky but.....
 
Aquib Talib!!!! I already know what yall are going to say before yall say it but I was just wondering.... Since we are so bleak at corner to you think a little good influence could turn him.... We could get him from the bucs for little to nothing if they draft Claibourne.. Probably a 5th or even lower because there gonna want to unload him.

BGWhoDat 04-18-2012 10:09 PM

I'd like Talib.

papz 04-18-2012 10:18 PM

Too bad he's a head case and may be suspended for off the field issues. He's really jacked up in the head.

BGWhoDat 04-18-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 398721)
Too bad he's a head case and may be suspended for off the field issues. He's really jacked up in the head.

We worked out Randy Moss.

Tobias-Reiper 04-18-2012 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BGWhoDat (Post 398722)
We worked out Randy Moss.

Moss is not in the same stratum as Talib.

halloween 65 04-18-2012 10:49 PM

A possible, anything this year would not surprise me. He's not bad when his heads on right.

Crusader 04-18-2012 10:57 PM

Hell to the no!

halloween 65 04-18-2012 10:59 PM

Can anyone tell me how to start a thread?? I

FinSaint 04-18-2012 11:16 PM

Well he'd be under $2M for the season which wouldn't be that bad, but he would be an UFA in a year's time, so with all the other issues associated with him - I'd say no to trading for him.

Of course, at the moment the Saints don't even have that little under $2M in cap space...

hagan714 04-19-2012 06:31 AM

i wish the nfl would do their thing with harper and vilma. that should free up cap space some how. it just does not seem fair to hit us for their salaries while they are out. Suspended without pay like they did with SP.

i can not wait to see how long the court cases in the players charges goes on. this will be much harder to prove and it should open the nfl up to questions on how long and what they did to monitor the events. ok thread hijacking

asnte is a bit long in the tooth and is injury prone. talib is a punk that could be had for cheap and signed with a behavior clause. myself i am looking at saftey over CB right now.

FA ? Atogwe is now on the market. Remember the Spags system does not believe in true SS. more of a CB/FS/SS type.

TheDeuce 04-19-2012 06:39 AM

Randy Moss was a trash talker and a selfish teammate at times... Talib tried to shoot somebody...

jeanpierre 04-19-2012 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 398721)
Too bad he's a head case and may be suspended for off the field issues. He's really jacked up in the head.

Can't agree anymore with that statement...

Despite the BountyGate Media Attention, the Saints handle their business internally and prefer a NDZ = No Drama Zone...

Despite the investment in Shockey was bounced.

jcp026 04-19-2012 07:56 AM

I wanted to draft him before he got into trouble. I'd take him for a 3rd round pick or lower, but I don't know that we have the cap space.

jcp026 04-19-2012 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 398767)
i wish the nfl would do their thing with harper and vilma. that should free up cap space some how. it just does not seem fair to hit us for their salaries while they are out. Suspended without pay like they did with SP.

i can not wait to see how long the court cases in the players charges goes on. this will be much harder to prove and it should open the nfl up to questions on how long and what they did to monitor the events. ok thread hijacking

asnte is a bit long in the tooth and is injury prone. talib is a punk that could be had for cheap and signed with a behavior clause. myself i am looking at saftey over CB right now.

FA ? Atogwe is now on the market. Remember the Spags system does not believe in true SS. more of a CB/FS/SS type.

I like the Atogwe idea.

Dos Equis 04-19-2012 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BGWhoDat (Post 398719)
I'd like Talib.

You can have him. He is a true malcontent. The guy is bat**** crazy and is always in trouble. Sure, he's mad-talented, but what good is that when the dude is always having CRAZY run-ins with the law. His conduct issues date back to his Kansas days.

Dos Equis 04-19-2012 08:01 AM

Update from PFT
 
Greg Schiano denies team wants to deal Aqib Talib
Posted by Josh Alper on April 18, 2012, 6:10 PM EDT

Getty ImagesThe Buccaneers may have serious interest in LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne, but, according to their head coach, that doesn’t mean they are trying to trade Aqib Talib.

Greg Schiano responded to a report from Wednesday morning that the team was looking to deal Talib in exchange for a pick or picks in next week’s draft. He told the Tampa Bay Times that there’s nothing to it.

“All I can tell you is that there is absolutely zero thinking on our part as far as wanting to do that,” Schiano said. “I want him to be a Buc. I understand there’s been issues before I arrived. I’m not naive to that. And I understand that some of those are a heck of a lot bigger than playing football. But I am really hopeful that that clears itself up. Since I met him for the first time, he’s done everything I’ve asked. He’s practiced well and he’s prepared well. I try not to judge people other than (by) how they treat me, and he’s treated me well. I don’t know how all that got started, but no, there’s no truth to that.”

It’s a strong denial, especially since there’s been a lot of focus on clearing out players with character issues since Schiano came to Tampa. It could be an attempt to drive up the price in a trade, of course, but the truth remains that trading Talib is problematic on two fronts.

The first is the trial for aggravated assault that starts at the end of June, leaving his availability for the 2012 season in some doubt, and the second is the impact that uncertainty will have on the return in a trade. Troubled or not, Talib is a talented player who was a first-round pick just a few years ago. The Bucs wouldn’t get anything close to that in a deal and might be better off rolling the dice on Talib’s availability as they try to rebound from a rough 2011 season.

papz 04-19-2012 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BGWhoDat (Post 398722)
We worked out Randy Moss.

Besides all the points everyone else has already brought up, there's a difference in bringing someone in for a look see as opposed to trading a draft pick for someone who may face a 5 to 20 year prison sentence... forget the suspension. Apples and oranges.

mikesaintfan 04-19-2012 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BGWhoDat (Post 398722)
We worked out Randy Moss.

RM is a hall of fame player...Aqib Talib...not so much

BGWhoDat 04-19-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 398792)
Besides all the points everyone else has already brought up, there's a difference in bringing someone in for a look see as opposed to trading a draft pick for someone who may face a 5 to 20 year prison sentence... forget the suspension. Apples and oranges.

I actually must have missed the shooting deal. I didn't know about that.

I was more so referring to your "being jacked in the head" comment with Moss. Hall of Famer or not, still willing to gamble.

NuNu318 04-19-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BGWhoDat (Post 398851)
I actually must have missed the shooting deal. I didn't know about that.

I was more so referring to your "being jacked in the head" comment with Moss. Hall of Famer or not, still willing to gamble.

Yeah from what I read he shot at his sister's boyfriend/husband. Because he was supposedly beating on his sister.

FinSaint 04-19-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NuNu318 (Post 398866)
Yeah from what I read he shot at his sister's boyfriend/husband. Because he was supposedly beating on his sister.


So, what you're saying is that is was justified.

burningmetal 04-19-2012 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NuNu318 (Post 398866)
Yeah from what I read he shot at his sister's boyfriend/husband. Because he was supposedly beating on his sister.

Don't know if Talib was telling the truth there, but if he was... I wouldn't hesitate to shoot my sisters husband if he were beating on her. But fortunately he's a good guy, so far :P

papz 04-19-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BGWhoDat (Post 398851)
I actually must have missed the shooting deal. I didn't know about that.

I was more so referring to your "being jacked in the head" comment with Moss. Hall of Famer or not, still willing to gamble.

He may have been a head case earlier in his younger years, but at this stage in his career/life, that's debatable. That said, I don't have issues with the Saints willingness to give guys with character issues second chances... as long as the risk factors aren't outlandish. 5-20 years, that kind of fits the bill. Now if that weren't the case, I would definitely kick the tires on his talent if the price was right.. I think he fits Spags' system perfectly minus the baggage.

FinSaint 04-19-2012 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 398894)
That said, I don't have issues with the Saints willingness to give guys with character issues second chances... as long as the risk factors aren't outlandish.


Giving second chances is great, of course they can backfire, but occasionally you get a very happy ending like with what happened with Hargrove.

NuNu318 04-19-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 398880)
So, what you're saying is that is was justified.

If its true....hell yeah it is. But we won't know until after the investigation. Until then thats just his story. But if its turns out thats what happens after the investigation then I have NO problem with what he did. Thats his flesh & blood he has an obligation to protect his family from harm.

Rugby Saint II 04-19-2012 04:13 PM

I don't know if he's a real head case or someone who has other issues that can be addressed. He's talented and might be worth a lower round trade but certainly not the 3rd or 4th round . I'll give him a chance. We do pretty well with retreads. Of course him being unavailable for court and jail time might be inconvenient.


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