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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by FinSaint I was - correction - am also high on TJ, as you very well know. And I think (hope) that he might really deliver this season in Spags' schemes, along with Spags' guidance and tutelage. GW's ...

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Old 06-02-2012, 06:00 PM   #11
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I was - correction - am also high on TJ, as you very well know. And I think (hope) that he might really deliver this season in Spags' schemes, along with Spags' guidance and tutelage.

GW's schemes weren't all that good for the front 4, at least that's what certain D-lineman have said now that he has departed (f.e. Gallette), so it might be that we'll see a lot more out of the DTs in general along with the DEs this season. Gallette said that GW's front 4 schemes were (overtly) complicated, and that might very well have caused problems for Johnson because of his situation coming into the season.

Johnson had a problematic season in 2011, because he was still fresh out of the CFL having had signed with the Saints in March of 2011 if I remember correctly. Then with the shortened offseason, he really didn't have the opportunity to have enough reps to be fully acclimated into the NFL way of things, IMO.

Still, he did look really good in that SF preseason game with nice bursts of speed, penetration and pursuit. And this was against the first string 49ers guys during the first quarter. Unfortunately, he suffered a hamstring injury 3 minutes into the 2nd quarter, which caused him to miss the rest of the preseason and the first quarter of the regular season.

I do remember reading statements during the latter part of the season where the coaches said that they were pleased with the effort and progress they were seeing out of Johnson, so now with a full offseason and a NFL season under his belt he might be a big contributor in the D-line this coming season.



As for Miller, if he has improved on his mobility and shed a couple of pounds, he might be someone they could use in certain situations. We have to remember that since both Rogers and Franklin are gone, the Saints don't really have a 3-4 NT type of the guy to anchor the interior of the line against penetration.

Now, I don't know if the Saints have a need for that type of a player, but only Hicks would be bigger in stature than Miller, and big guys in the middle are nice to have on goal line stances and 4th and 1 situations.

Of course it is doubtful that the Saints will have room for more than 5 DTs on their active roster, but if an injury opens up a roster spot - Miller might get his chance if he is able to have a good offseason and impress the coaches of his ability to contribute.
I'm not sure it wasn't related to scheme, but I've never seen a slower burst off the snap in my llife than what I saw from Swanson Miller.
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I'm not sure it wasn't related to scheme, but I've never seen a slower burst off the snap in my llife than what I saw from Swanson Miller.

Yeah, that was comical!

I remember, someone on these boards stating that Miller had a good showing while recording a sack. But if you look at that play, it was like he was frozen in time for a couple of seconds and the guard moved on to block another guy instead. Then when Miller finally got into motion there was no one between him and the QB, because everyone had mistaken him for a piece of rock.


Still, I think that Johnson is one of the better chances for the Saints to actually have true pass rush from the interior of the D-line. Based on his CFL reel and what I saw out of him in that SF preseason game - he has great mobility, both north/south and east/west, and good instincts on when to pursuit and when to stay on gap control. Hicks has potential as well, but his lateral movement is far less effective than Johnson's.

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Old 06-02-2012, 06:26 PM   #13
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Speaking of pass rush, I wonder what Spags will be able to do with this guy?

He sure has a great frame and looks the part of a Giants/Spags type of a DE, but do the Saints have room to keep him around long enough for him to develop into a NFL caliber DE?

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Looks every bit the part with a rocked-up, athletic build — has an NFL physique. Shows easy lower-body movement and has a 36-inch vertical leap. However, played just one season of high school football and started just five games as a senior at TCU — instincts, football IQ, hand use and pass-rush moves are rudimentary. Has never been able to focus solely on football, which has not come naturally, but is a hardworking, mature, very raw size-speed prospect with moldable talent and untapped potential. Ideally suited for the practice squad, as he will require patience and simple assignments.
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Good Luck Mitch ! Thanks for everything you did.
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We need the cream of the crop. Good luck to him and thank you.
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Mitch King = Rudy Rudigger

Miller...who the hell is Miller??
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Miller...who the hell is Miller??
Some frozen dinner
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Talented players get cut. It's a numbers game. And with Mitch being part of the old regime, it was more likely a fringe guy like him would get cut vs some of the say UDFA's Spags brought in this year.
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Bottom line, he was undersized and he didn't have the ideal body type for a DT in the first place (short hands), so it isn't hard to understand why he didn't make it.
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