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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Ok Gator, you say fix the problem. Well, lately you think the problem has been Haslett and Brooks. I just have a few questions that I hope you don\'t mind answering. 1. What\'s 2-3 players do you have in mind ...

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Old 04-29-2004, 05:29 PM   #11
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Ok Gator, you say fix the problem. Well, lately you think the problem has been Haslett and Brooks. I just have a few questions that I hope you don\'t mind answering.

1. What\'s 2-3 players do you have in mind that could fix our problems through the draft? You can use how everything went down as a crutch, but I\'d like to see what you have to say anyways?

2. Is it really Haslett\'s fault that half the defense was hurt at the beginning of last year? Or was it his fault Deuce was hurt at the end of 2002 and we became one demensional?

3. Aaron Brooks is one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL and yet you want to get rid of him, why? He has been improving his passing every year by the way.

4. I bet when we gave up the farm for Ricky Williams a few years back, you were jumping for joy because we couldn\'t run the ball. Were you willing to do almost the same thing for Hall, Robinson, or Vilma just to fill a need?

Another thing, everybody wants to trade up to get an unproven player in the draft, which costs a trade of first rounders and a second (at the least), but are still unwilling to give a mere 2nd rounder for a proven corner like Ty Law. I just don\'t understand that.

Also, I do agree with Haslett and other experts when they say rotating your D-linemen in and out make you a better defense. Look at the Patriots and Panthers.

As far as our overall draft is concerned, I like the fact that we drafted talent and athleticism. It was also glad to hear these guys are intelligent, good people, and have instincts, basically intangibles you can\'t coach.

I remember we aquired Rodgers via trade last year after the draft and he panned out pretty well for us. I feel the Saints will do the same, but for a corner this year. All I am saying is you just have to be patient. The regular season is a long ways away so there still is time to add depth and maybe talent at corner. Things could be a lot worse right now.
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Old 04-30-2004, 07:11 AM   #12
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WHO-DAT \"If I remember correctly it was you (Danno) who time and again posted the top 15 picks to show that one of \"your\" guys would be there when we picked. You convinced yourself by reading and writing your own message of hope time and again. You\'re doing the same thing now. You\'re trying to be optimistic, which is noble, but in doing so, and arguing with us \"moonbeamers\" you are polarizing yourself and synthetically creating a stronger position for yourself.

Just like you were sure one of those guys would be around... or at least were very hopeful... you are now sure that the team got better... or are very hopeful. I promise you, PROMISE you, that if I had posted these draft picks two weeks ago on this board everyone, including yourself, would have been unhappy, and said - \"We better not do that.\" Now it happened, you got mad, but as is your way, you are spinning this to be positive. [Edited on 29/4/2004 by WhoDat]
Hmmm, here\'s what I posted a couple of weeks before the draft...
After reading about 3 zillion mocks, I think the consensus is that these 13 players will definitely be gone by the time we pick.
1. E.Manning -QB
2. B. Rothlisburger -QB
3. R.Gallery -LT
4. L.Fitzgerald -WR
5. Rg.Williams -WR
6. Ry. Williams-WR
7. M. Williams -WR
8. S. Taylor -S
9.. V. Wilfork -DT
10. T. Harris -DT
11. K. Winslow -TE
12. K. Udeze -DE
13. W. Smith -DE
I don’t think any of the above will slip to us, but if they do, we just landed a major stud, and should be elated about it.
Hmmm. Oh yea, in another post (fab 5 at 18) I posted this...
I think the consensus is that these 12 players will definitely be gone by the time we pick.
1. E.Manning -QB
2. B. Rothlisburger -QB
3. R.Gallery -LT
4. L.Fitzgerald -WR
5. Rg.Williams -WR
6. Ry. Williams-WR
7. M. Williams -WR
8. S. Taylor -S
9.. V. Wilfork -DT
10. T. Harris -DT
11. K. Winslow -TE
12. K. Udeze -DE
I don’t think any of the above will slip to us. So realistically, with who’s left, which 5 players would you be happy with staying at #18? Here’s my top 5 I’d be very happy with…

1. D. Hall - CB
2. J. Vilma - LB
3. D. Robinson – CB
4. Will Smith – DE
5. DJ Williams – LB

If all 17 are gone when we pick, I think we should trade down.
Hmmm, Will Smith ahead of DJ??? Musta been a late night.



[Edited on 30/4/2004 by Danno]
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Old 04-30-2004, 01:41 PM   #13
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Gator, please leave my panties out of this. thank you. I guess you can say I am a little overprotective.

I would say we have slight upgrades this year in the LB and CB positions. I think Watson will turn out to be the real deal and nothing is better than competition to improve players. Also, I think Craft is a slight upgrade over Carter. Carter might have an edge as far as experience and somewhat ability goes, but he was never on the field. Craft, in my mind, will be on the field a lot more and he has a nose for the ball and can make plays. I am not saying he\'s the greatest in the world, I just feel he\'s somewhat of an upgrade.

I was with everyone else screaming why we didn\'t get one of the top corners in free agency, but those guys were way overpaid. If we would have signed one of those guys along with Gold and franchised Howard, our cap room would be almost gone (that\'s including other FA signings and re-sign of our own). Now we have to sign all of our rookies. If we would have got a corner, he would have been overpaid and everyone would be screaming why. TeBucky could be considered overpaid, but he might have a breakout year.

I am just glad to see we kept these guys together for another year because they did improve at the end of last year. It could be tough overhauling one side of the ball because the cohesiveness of the players, in my mind, are very important. These guys learned the could trust one another at the end of the year last year and they played better. The kept Dallas\' potent passing attack and ok running game to 14 points in the last game.

What free agents are you talking about? Also, what draftees are you talking about also?

Actually, Darren Hoard got hurt early against Seattle, Mitchell was out, Rodgers was serving a suspension. Stallworth and Michael Lewis fumbled that game that hurt us. Hodge got hurt against the Texans and I am not sure if Carter was hurt or not, but I don\'t remeber too much of him except for getting his eye broke. Plus, the Colts beat down just about everybody except for the Pats. We didn\'t have no pass rush.

To me Brooks is a competitor. He reminds me of Brett Favre in the way that he wants the ball no matter what whether he is hurt or not. I don\'t hear the Packer fans saying the should have benched Favre for future Pro-Bowl Hasselbeck. I don\'t think it would have mattered who was the quarterback at that time cause Deuce was hurt and he basically gets our offence going.

Bet all you want, buddy. I will tell you if I said it or not.

Also, I think the Panther linebackers are decent and the secondary isn\'t too great except for Minter. It\'s hard to throw the ball when you got guys like Peppers, Rucker, and Jenkins on your a$$ and in your face all the time. They sure shut down Vick when he was back from injury. The Patriots have a great defense and there is not much you can say bad about them, but everything starts with the lines. The Pats sacked Manning six times in the Championship game when I was nearly impossible to get near him.

I like Haslett and like the aggressiveness he brings to our team. He gets red flag-happy at times which upsets me sometimes. I absolutely hate Venturi. I think he is one of the problems with our D and I think Loomis and Haslett are to blame. I like to addition of Pease, from what I hear he can help out big time with our first round D-line.

When I say be patient, I am not saying be patient until we play our first game. I ma saying that we will make another aquisition at cornerback this offseason. If we don\'t, I probably jump in your boat only because if Thomas, Ambrose, or Craft go down, I will crap in my twisted panties.



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