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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 448047)

Wow..I am going to say this the best way I can trying not to sound like I am insulting you.

You can't see the difference between trying to intentionally hurt someone and someone getting hurt from a legal play/hit? You are the reason Godell still has fans.

When you can prove the intent, let me know.

There's no way to prove intent, but if you're paying for injuries, which is what paying for cart-offs is, then you're encouraging it.

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 448055)

You need to stay away from analogies, and watch 12 Angry Men.

... anyway...

Football players hit each other as hard as they can. The rules of the game allow for this. When you hit someone as hard as you can, there is a chance the other guy is going to get hurt in some way: plain shaken from the impact, or get his bell rung, get the wind knocked out of him, bruise a muscle or a bone, to breaking a bone, or snapping a tendon, etc etc etc. This occurs every week in the NFL. On every game. That there may be an extra $1,000 dlls for someone who makes 2 mil a year and during the course of legal play knocked the wind out of someone else, or rang someone else's bell, that doesn't make it that the player is out to purposely maim someone with the intention to receive what amounts to $10 for you and me.

That's the whole point of it. The Saints encouraged players to cause injury via payment, hence the discipline.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 448066)

Paying to injure as Goodell initially defined it was that the Saints intentionally set out to injure players.

If you would take the time to pull your head out of your ass you would realize that the definition of a "cartoff" by everyone involved is a player that missed a play due to a hard hit. Paying to injure means trying to injure a player, not trying to hurt a player. Every time a defensive player hits the field his job is to HURT the opponent. If the HURT he puts on that opponent takes him out of the game for a play or more, so much the better. I know you are much smarter than you put on here and know the difference.

Sounds like ticky-tacky word games. What the meaning of the word is is and what not. I'd like to see the source on the second meaning of cart-offs, because like I said on AFT, I haven't really followed this whole thing. Bountygate simply doesn't interest me that much. The outcome doesn't matter to me, and I'm not going to try to be obtuse simply because it's the Saints involved in the matter.

Regardless, if you're paying players to knock players out of the game, you're paying them to injure other players. The intent is established right there.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 448067)

So Radical, what is your reply to this? You can't have one unless you continue with your delusional belief that the Saints are horrible monsters that deserve ultimate admonition. You chose to come over here to our site and continue the unfounded and illogical rhetoric that you have spewed on your own site about this farce. Now it is your turn to face the music. I have had the truth behind my defense, but now you have to defend your stand with nothing of substance.

Have at it big man.

;)

I've responded to as much as I'm going to bother responding to at the moment. You're sounding a bit too much like Beef right now in my opinion(half the cursing of course). I jumped over here just on a whim to see what was up over here, but you're kinda coming across like I've treated you like garbage and you brought me over here to "stand trial," as if you couldn't say what you wanted to say there without real reprisal. If anything I thought I was closer to cordial than some vindictive jerk spouting hateful rhetoric like you're implying I was.