Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Sounds good to me!!!




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Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Why? What could possibly be learned from that?

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

ScottyRo --

If I haven\'t made my position clear to you about what preseason means to me, then I never will.

Sure it sounds good. But, what does it mean? Does it mean the interior of our O-line is going to dominate? I don\'t know....... I need to see more.

Like I\'ve said 1000 times, I\'m not jumping to conclusions. Good or bad!! ;)

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

I\'m just messing with you here, ya know, and I do understand what you\'ve been trying to say.

However, how can something from a preseason game \"sound good\" if there\'s nothing to be learned from it?

I just want to point out that you tend to put more stock in the positive things that happened in game 1 (as if it\'ll carry over into the season) while you simultaneously criticize people who do the same with negative information.

Hey, there\'s not much else being talked about on this board today so we might as well drag this monkey around the yard a couple more times. :cool:

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Oh and before you say it, I\'m not criticizing you for being an optimist. There\'s certainly nothing wrong with that. Infact, you kind of have to be if you\'re a Saints fan since they\'ve never really proven they can win anything.

I really just find it enjoyable and a bit humorous how you\'re always defending the team\'s virtue. But don\'t stop. The world needs you just like it needs the Gatormen.

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

I do not think the O line dominated at all.
The Jets put constant pressure on our QB all night in passing situations.
Run game early did not show domination.
I actually was concerned and thought that the O line looked bad.
Must have seen a different game than you.

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

ScottyRo --

Now I see where the confustion is. You think I put more stock in the positive news than the negative. That\'s simply NOT true. Have you been reading any of the negative stuff I\'ve been posting on this board for the last several months? Or the last couple of day even?!

I have abolutely NO problem with the negative stuff.

What I have a problem with is when folks use it to imply more than what it is.

If someone says we had trouble stopping the run and it COULD be a sign of things to come. That\'s fine in my book.

But: When someone says they just don\'t see us being able to stop the run this year because of what happened in the Jet\'s game. That\'s just plain ol\' silly.

You\'ll have to judge for yourself which folks are posting what.

If ANYONE is trying to tell me that we are going to have problems, and you\'re basing it off that ONE preseason game. Then you\'re the folks I\'ve been talking to.

If no one is suggesting that, then I\'ve been wasting a lot of time... ;)

P.S. -- Scotty, you seem to have selective reading disorder.. :P

Have you not been reading ALL the negative posts I\'ve made? I\'ll set some sunshiners straight if I think they\'re wrong... ;)

[Edited on 18/8/2004 by GumboBC]

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Have you been taling to my wife? That sounds an awful lot like something she\'d say. :P

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

That\'s funny. ;) You better listen to your wife, Scotty. Sounds like a very smart girl!! ;)

What\'s funny to me is that when I say something negative about the team, none of the \"moonshiners\", or the folks who say I put more stock in the positive stuff, ever reply to those posts.

WhoDat and Gator, while we argue a hell of a lot, will cut through the BS and get down to the bottom of things. We just like to try and make each other look ... well .... foolish sometimes.. :P

In the end, the guys who focus more on the negative, make me stop and rethink things. I like that. But they do frustrate me to no end sometimes. :mad:

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

I\'ll tell ya what it is. You spent a year or so posting so many positive and over the top positive statements that it is hard to believe that you now have an actual conviction of seeing the negatives. Right now, it is screaming ulterior motive.

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Did your wife ever tell you that you don\'t look at the whole picture? I\'ve done the samething since day ONE as I\'m doing now.

You just like to believe the negative stuff before the positive. Not that there\'s anything wrong with that.

C\'mon, Scotty, you don\'t think there\'s a LOT of folks on here that post so much NEGATIVE stuff it hard to take them serious when they talk about the positive things?

And should I take you seriously?!

[Edited on 18/8/2004 by GumboBC]

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Question - and this is in all seriousness.

Why is this relevant? Does the fact that the Saints interior linemen limited the effectiveness of an unproven opposing linemen mean that there is good reason to think they will do that in the regular season?



If so, why is there not good reason to think the run defense will continue to suffer?

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

You are 100% correct WhoDat.
It doesn\'t mean anything really.
Was it because our line is good, or was it Robertson still sucks?
I think its difficult to speculate anything based on the 1st pre-season game.
I think its fine to point out good and bad, but at this stage it means very little.

If we continue to get run on up the middle all 4 practice games, then we may be able to draw some conclusions none of us will like.

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Should you take anyone on here seriously?

I\'m not saying you haven\'t pointed out negatives since day one. I\'m saying it\'s hard for me to believe that you have after the deluge of positive posts you\'ve written - especially at the beginning of last season.

You wondered about why you don\'t get much response to your negative posts and I\'m trying to tell you the way I see it. But I didn\'t really see a change in you until this summer. That\'s when i really started noticing you at least recognizing and posting negative issues that effect the team. (I\'m not saying you didn\'t do it earlier.)

As for me, I see myself as middle of the road as far as the shine goes around here. I think the offense can tear apart any defense, but Brooks must be hot to do it. I think the defense needed many improvements and got a few of them and can be beter than last year. I\'m going to point out more negatives in the preseason probably because those are areas of need (as if it matters what I think).

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Scotty --

When I first joined this site, I was amazed at the amount of unjust criticism on this board. There were folks on here saying Brooks needed to be traded. And they come up with EVERY OVER-THE-TOP reason in the book.

I won\'t get in to all the players that were being bashed on here when I first joined. All I know is I thought I\'d fell into a Falcons\' board where a few Saints fans were hanging out.

So, yeah, I posted some positive stuff because I didn\'t like what I was hearing. I\'m a Saints fan. I don\'t mind hearing the negatives. But I\'m not interested in anyones negative agendas or consipracy theories.

ScottyRo -- Surely you\'ve read some of the samethings I\'ve read by the \"moonshiners\" ?

Why aren\'t you calling them out? They\'ve ruled this board forever!!

Man, it\'s hard for me to believe you\'re unbiased when you\'re saying I make over the top positve posts and just ignore what\'s really gone on here.

Give me a break, Scotty. Or just be fair. ;)

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Well with the two poles of this site being moonshiners and sunshiners, I\'d put you, Billy, at the far sunshiner side. I\'d probably put Gator up as being farthest on the moonshiner side.

Why don\'t I get on Gator? Mostly because I don\'t think he can take it. Not that I don\'t think he can defend his argument, but he goes from zero to outrage in nothing flat. (I\'m cringing at the retribution I face for saying this much.)

One simple example of how far out I think you are is Brooks. I think he\'s a good QB. You think he is a Top 3 QB. There are others that don\'t think he\'s even a good QB and I\'ve discussed that with them. You may not have been coming to this site when it happened so you wouldn\'t know about it unless you researched it.

I question everything that is said on this board, but only post when I feel like it. It\'s not all directed at you.

Sorry for getting so far off topic.

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

ScottyRo --

I enjoyed our conversation. I guess I\'m just one of those folks who likes to know what makes a person tick.

Some of us (myself included, not referring to you at all) like to draw lines in the sand.

It\'s fun and challenging to defend a view. We\'ve got some clever guys on here who are fun to debate (argue) ;) with.

The problem is, some of us go over the top to defend our beliefs, or to prove others wrong, that we carry it over to some serious topics, that could be debated in a much better fasion.

What I mean is, I think we have some very knowledge members here who get caught up in trying to prove someone wrong that it becomes counter-productive. Now, I enjoy it a lot of times. But, I think we all become frustrated when we\'re trying to talk some serious football.

Yeah, I know........Pot meet Kette -- :P

I did enjoy it. :exclam:

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Thank you Danno. At least your posts show your ability to think beyond your own hopes and dreams. ;)

Seriously though - while I don\'t think the first preseason game says a whole lot about a team\'s season, it does start to give insight into a team\'s strengths and weaknesses, IMO. Like you said, how the Saints fair throughout the regular season is much more important than one game. Still, Curtis Martin and the Jets are, IMO, no powerhouse running attack. That we got chewed up the way we did has to make you at very least wonder if the run d has gotten any better, right?

I\'m nowhere near saying that b/c they played poorly in the Jets game that they will all year, which is what Billy seems to think I\'m saying - but I also don\'t think that that game tells us NOTHING about the team. That\'s just me, what do I know? Obviously teams risk injury to their players not to evaluate individual talent and team strengths and weaknesses, but rather just for sh-ts and giggles. Right Bill?

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Where do I sit on your scale, Scotty?

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

As far as Robertson; most likely a bust. Sullivan.. i feel the same. Keep in mind we passed on Trufant, the Jets passed on Newman and Trufant! Pathetic

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Zero to highly agitated in 3.8 seconds

Let me put it this way...I don\'t expect to hear on the news someday that you\'ve stormed through your office, guns blaring, because of something that was said in this forum.

But then again, I may not want to be in the same room when someone gets you going either. Your anger/frustration just doesn\'t make itself as readily apparent as others.

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

Gumbo,

No black helicopters here, but I have to tell you the SAINTS would be better off without the beloved BROOKS than with him.

He got his \"big time\" contract, and has subsquently done everything to ensure he does NOT get another. His inability to hold onto the pigskin is proof that he is not one of the \"top 3\" in the league.

I regret that he hurt his shoulder, but HAZ should have benched the guy if he was not healthy. HAZ is guilty as charged.

All IMHO. :(

[Edited on 19/8/2004 by biloxi-indian]

Saints O-line dominates Jet's Robertson
 

In what way? Bouman hasn\'t impressed anyone except in practice. And O\'Sullivan is a huge question mark as an NFL starter.

At minimum we know Brooks is capable. Unfortunately, he\'s inconsistent.