Joe Vitt For HC ? ( Life without Payton )
 

" This Year We Should Become a Mirror Image of The San Francisco 49'ers Offensively "

When I said this 11 Weeks ago I was taunted vigorously for it ... After trying to be the 2011 Saints without Payton it Now seems the tide has turned and we figured out we just aren't that team. We know what our losses have in common but what do our Wins have in Common ? A smash mouth running game and our targets getting behind coverage on play action fakes and Lance Moore doing a variation of Gangnam style in the Endzone ... What does San Fran do best ? Run the Bull and Let Vernon Davis Get his Cake and Eat it.

I was right all along. If you review our playoff losses or any significant Saints losses of late Drew Brees threw for well over 350 yards and had at least 2 Passing TD's. But we lost , because the other team had WAY too much time to answer back oh yeah and our defense was offensive ( See what I did there )

Now onto the Main Coarse of the Discussion ..


Teams become and take on the personality of the Head Coach they are under and the proof is in the pudding ...

With Sean Payton at the Helm we were mirror images of Sean Payton on the field. Smart , Accurate , Innovative , Quick hitting and Efficient ...

With Aaron Kromer at the Helm we were mirror images of Aaron Kromer on the field. Bright , Promising , but Ultimately had no real answers.

With Joe Vitt at the Helm we are mirror images of Joe Vitt on the field.
Passionate , Pist off , Physical , and Lets em hang low.

I like this Saints Team most because despite the doubters ( even some of us ) denying our chances this year , we smiled and became what we never have been , a Physical Run and Cut Team. And it works for us amazingly .

I'm just speculating here but if SP should decide Dallas is a better match for him ( Hell Freezing over Twice on Hot Summers Day ) I think Joe Vitt has the stones to make this team not just relevant but DOMINANT.

The Giants found their special gear in 07 after all hell broke loose for them in a similar situation, If we can find the equivalent of that gear the Giants found , MAY GOD HAVE MERCY Drews gonna need Sonic the hedgehog for all those rings

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This is a discussion for after the season... Even then Vitt is not the man to consider.

This is STILL the Sean Payton show, guest hosts don't draw a crowd. Joe is driving Sean Paytons custom rod and that does not make him a mechanic.

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It agree with Oak completely. This IS SP's team. Especially the offense which happens to be the one part that really works well. Don't get caught up believing that Vitt is a great coach just because he has won a few games. Is he better that Kromer? Yes. Is SP better than Vitt? Hell YES. Great coaches build empires that last for some time even after they are gone, or as in this case, suspended.

Take a look at Dallas since the ego maniac Jerry Jones took over.
Jimmy Johnson (1989-1993)- 8 playoff victories and 2 Super Bowls
Barry Switzer (1994-1997) - 7 playfoff victories and 1 Super Bowl in 1995
Since then 5 head coarches - 1 playoff victory and 0 Super Bowl appearances

I contend that Switzer won with Johnson's team. In Switzer's last year the Cowboys were 6-10 and missed the playoffs entirely.

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Payton will not leave, but for giggles the only coach I could see taking his place and winning would be Coward, first it would be a dominate D and a smash mouth O, how much do you think he would like Ivory? That would be my only choice, not Vitt!!

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It's quite a bit of speculation but other than the part where he has actually said outright that he doesn't want to be a head coach, Vitt certainly has the stones and the skill set for the job. He is the epitome of the Saints' doctrine of "next man up," and when that philosophy works it's really awesome.

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He does not have the mechanical genius. Anyone can say next man up, Vitt would have never kicked an onside kick at 1/2 time in the super bowl, and his conservative punt on 4th and 2 is not what makes Super Bowl teams.

Vitt is too conservative for my taste. He has the stones to yell in someones face but not to call the aggressive plays.

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No way. A Saints vacancy would be the TOP vacancy in the NFL with a career QB and loaded talent. A coaching search would bring in a name brand, Superbowl veteran coach.

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Fixed it for ya :)

Obviously I don't want Sean Payton to go anywhere, but if it happens to be, I am sure, can almost guarantee it, Gruden will be outside Airline Highway with a cardboard sign that read "will coach Drew Brees for food".

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my vote would be for Harry Connick Jr.!

the admiration in his eyes for Drew brought tears to my own!

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TruDat SP's team all the way but Joe do bring the pissed off mentality to the team, let'em hang type ish!!

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Vitt knows football inside and out but Payton is aware of things outside those parameters. That's what you need to have success in the NFL. Brees was not a sure thing. He scrubbed a draft pick for PT. He gambled on Shockey. These are only a few of the genius / beserk decesions Payton made. Hindsight we can look back and say those were easy choices but that's the beauty of it. They were not easy choices. He just made it look easy.

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I rewatched our trouncing of the Eagles last night to get the T.V. perspective of the game.

Chuckie says that Payton WILL NOT leave the Saints because of Loyalty. Period. I'd love to believe that.

John Gruden loves the Saints. If not Payton, then Gruden!

Alaska

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SP will be back in black & gold next season, but even if he weren't, I would not even give Vitt a serious consideration for the job.

The fact that he is the LB coach and that he hasn't been able to coach up a guy to take over for Shanle says enough in my opinion!

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I am going to go out on a limb and say Vilma brought some fire to our defense.

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Vilma NEEDED Lofton. They work very well together!

Vilma - Lofton - Hawthorne

Alaska

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Alaska, I would love to believe that SP would stay in New Orleans out of Loyalty. Unfortuntely, Loyalty isn't a word that is used much in professional sports. It's funny that fans get chastized for being disloyal for not supporting totally mismanaged programs. Yet, owners, GM's, coaches and players mostly show loyalty to their bank accounts.

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He is not staying due to any loyalty.. if anyone owes loyalty to anyone it is the Saints to Sean Payton. Both for where he has taken this team and what he is doing this season.

He will stay because HE WANTS TO. No man builds this and then just walks away from it when it is red hot.

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I say again, why was an "escape" clause written into the contract? He is the head coach and has no NFLPA behind him to appeal his suspension. I contend he knew the suspension was going to happen and wanted a way out. When he was hired he was going to commute between here and Dallas. There is no such thing as loyalty. Watch what happens in Philly. If he goes to Dallas he'll get eaten up and spit out like every coach Jerry Jones has destroyed.

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There is only one Head Coach for the Saints, and his name is Sean Payton...

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Gruden. That is all.

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The question is if:

Control of team + #9 MVP + Loomis/Benson > In town with kids + #9 Tony Hobo + Puppet of Jay-re Jones

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I don't think the clause was less of an escape clause and more of a guarantee to have Loomis around because Loomis and Payton work very well together; Loomis is an accountant dealing with the financial aspects of football, and leaves Sean Payton alone to make football decisions.

It could very well be that Payton knew about the suspensions, and because he works well with Loomis, decided to protect Loomis by adding that clause in the contract, lest Benson decided to make Loomis an even bigger scapegoat and fire Loomis as some sort of sacrifice to the NFL to reduce the team's liability.

If Payton wanted an out, his contract was up. There was no need to scheme any further.

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I hope Payton comes back. It will be hard to take in if he leaves and goes to Dallas next year.

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Sean Payton forever!

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SP isn't leaving. I don't buy that for one second. He's tied to Brees for one thing. You don't think that Brees would have signed here again if SP was gonna leave do ya? And because Brees did sign here again, it was because of SP and SP ain't gonna leave Drew out in the Breeze (No pun intended).

Then there's the city. New Orleans and the state of Louisiana Love SP and he definitely knows that. He also knows that he can't win in Dallas with Romo. Yeah, his wife and kids are in TX, so what, they're divorced and he won't see his kids any more than he would by remaining the HC of the Saints. I don't know about y'all, but I sure as heck wouldn't want to live very close to my ex. Will SP hold out for more money? You bet, anyone would, but with the divorce and the way this city and these fans love SP, he knows he won't find that anywhere else, not to mention that if he wants his name to go down as one of the best head coaches in the history of the league with other names like Parcells, Shula, Bellichek, and the like, his best shot is to stay with the Saints, because he built this team and it's still in it's prime to win him more Super Bowls, so I just don't believe he'll leave. JMTCW.

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I hear you. I don't see how anyone can sit there and say, "I would rather coach Tony Romo then Drew Brees."

First off, if Payton leaves, you can bet he's taking Vitt with him.

Second, Payton's not leaving.

The End.

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I love the guy and am sorry for what is happening to his family, but I think the "divorce" thing as a reason for him to go to Dallas, is kind of getting over-played by the media. Hasn't anybody in the media seen the pictures of him grinding on the dancefloor with those young co-eds, or drinking at Lucy's? He was at Jazz Fest in May with TWO women,one on each arm. He flew with his son to the Hall of Fame game. To OHIO, not Texas. When you are rich, money can solve a lot of logistical problems of being close to your family or not close to your family. I am sure he is going through a lot of growth and change as a result of the divorce, but I don't think it makes a lot of impact on the geography or the decision on where to work...I just don't see it. Remember, this was the same guy who got reprimanded by the Giants for spending too much time at the facility, sleeping in the film room, etc. At this level, their families are used to it.

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I certainly think Payton wants to be here, but as another poster pointed out everyone has their price.

But what happens if Vitt takes a team in disarray and gets us deep into the playoffs? Will Benson be as likely to open his pocketbook to make Payton the richest coach in the league? I'm thinking not.

I understand your thinkigf, but if that happens, that would be a testament to Payton's greatness, and to his personal fingerprint that he's stamped on this team.

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I think Benson wil pay up simply because there's no other name that could go on that check. Look around the league. Kansas City's supposedly talking to Marty, Turner and Reid will be up for grabs along with a few others. Everyone I can see can't coach a playoff game. There's a difference between skill and luck and I'm saying Gruden got lucky. I'm reading some names here, but I'm not feeling any of them. Sean's just gonna hold out a bit to make up for some of the money he's losing this year.

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It's not the Camera. Its the person using the camera.

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Well said !!