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Tom Benson, Mickey loomis, and Joe Vitt must sit Drew Brees down. If you are eliminated there is no reason to risk injury or your surgically repaired arm on meaningless throws. It is time to seriously consider shutting him down.

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Sends the wrong message to the rest of the team especially the rookies. Thats just saying hey we care more about the $100mil man than the rest of the team that still wants to try to end this season with a winning record. IMO it also sends the wrong message to the Defense who, regardless of what people think of them, has worked their a** to improve under Spagnolo. Yeah Drew just had 2 horrible games in his career....without the help of everyone else we wont get to the playoffs but it doesn't mean you stop trying to win ball games. Because this league is unpredictable. Football Gods might smile on the Saints and give them new life. But none of that works if you stop trying to win you're games too....and regardless of his play right now....without Brees you kill your chances of doing that.

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In Drew's own words as told to him by Doug Flutie "Never let your backup see the field" ask Alex Smith.

You don't "sit him down" you SIT HIM DOWN!!! again. Ask Alex Smith. I believe since we are out of it and we have no coach it's time to see who wants to be here next year. Ironic that when the D turns a corner so does Drew. All those "bad wins" that were talked about in years past look pretty good now don't they?

Atlanta will be One and Done in the playoffs. Again!

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Agreed, but not quite time yet. When we are out of the picture, without a doubt, then let Chase see some time (like Pre-season) and save Drew for next year. We had just too big of a hole to climb out of.

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Sitting Drew Brees down will send the wrong message and I'd be concerned about him never coming back. He's playing like garbage and I want to see him out of this slump. I don't want him finishing this season on a bad note.
So no this conversation doesn't need to be had... it's silly

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Glad it's not my decision to make ... do you throw up a white flag on the season? The objective in the NFL is to win, and you do that by putting your best players on the field.

I see some of the logic in allowing Daniels to take some snaps for a quarter or two, but you still gotta' win games. Who's giving you the best chance to win? If the argument's for Daniels, then by all means, put him in ... but if you bought a ticket to a Saints game, are you gonna' want to watch Chase under center or you gonna' want to see Drew under center?

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We aren't quitters and its a slap in the face of ticketholders and fans alike.

Its football. Play it.

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I say we do our best to knock down the Giants playoff position and play spoiler to keep Dallas and Tampa out of the playoffs. Against Carolina in the last week - unless there is still a playoff possibility - I would not be against starting Daniel because we need to get him some real game time (not a preseason game) and see if he can be a reliable backup.

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Pride, respect, not to mention leaders take the field with those they lead. 9 & 7 or 8 & 8 is a win for this season.

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You are correct Danno but as you know this is difficult to witness. It's good to have this forum available for venting
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The only thing thats going to get him out of his slump is SP.

To suggest tanking the rest of the season is just idiotic and by suggesting to sit Drew, that is exactly what we would be doing. You never quit! You play with pride and you play to win. The post season is more than likely out of reach but you NEVER quit.

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If anything, I say bench him earlier and put in Chase in games that are insane blowouts when we're WINNING, like the Raiders or the past two times we've pummeled the Giants. But take him out of a game that can still be won, or out of a season that isn't over yet? Yikes.

I mean not to be overly melodramatic but it's football. It's like doctors and nurses in the ER. You have that heart attack patient on the table, he's slipping away, you do EVERYTHING to keep him alive, everything you can think of, even things you know probably won't work, but you don't quit. You don't see a doctor just walk away ten minutes before the guy is actually dead, and stop trying stuff that might still work. I mean yeah, the doctor and everyone in the room may know that the poor guy is not gonna make it, but you still have to do your job.

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I can think of a few people I'd sit, based on performance, and Drew is NOT one of them.

We pay the man to play football, and that's just what he should do, and will do.

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Your guys' O line is not that bad. If this was like the O lines in Philly or Arizona then by all means sit him down. Brees is a competitor & I wouldn't think he would want to sit. Plus, on the up side whatever rookie or seldom used receivers could get work in game conditions in preparation for next year. Remember when Colston went down in opener vs. Packers last year? (was on my fantasy team & killed me LOL). Experience from this year's last 4 games could pay dividends for next season.

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Wow too much pessimism. And it won't be us that ends Dallas's chances it will be bengals if they win. Giants know how to collapse. They could lose to eagles last game and thats the concern I mainly have. We can't win the tiebreaker over two teams but we can beat one solo unless Seattle beats Chicago or SF.

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This might sound crazy but an eagles upset this week would be good in Dallas.

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No ! Thats all i have to say NO ! You don't sit Drew Brees down. First he'd never let it happen.

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Once we are out of the playoff picture for sure (should that actually mathematically happen) then let Brees play three and Chase finish for the end of the season games.

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if you hate the guy you have right now your going to hate the next guy even more...

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You don't sit Brees, you run the ball more to see what RB's you want to keep and the one you might want to trade next year.

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Play the man. If we are losing put in Daniels late. If we are winning put Daniels in late.

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I can understand what you're saying. I even made this same comment in a different thread. If we did that, it would give us a better opportunity to get Chase some time and then we could possibly tender him at a 2nd round rate and recoup our second round pick. Additionally, it would be a slap in the face of roger goodell and the NFL that we refuse to risk our best player in meaningless games now that goodells attempts to destroy our team and our chances this year have taken their final toll so let them eat scraps. I also understand that the fans would feel slighted but were I a season ticket holder, I would not feel that way and I don't think our team would feel that way either. It would be like telling goodell to go screw himself so I would still support my team and still go to the games and still cheer my team and support their decision because I understand why they were doing that. But there's another side of me that refuses to lose, that does not yield, that doesn't concede a victory, but this is not war, no one's life is on the line so I'm torn on this issue.

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Have to start playing Chase late in games. We need all the draft picks we can get. We are already down 2, a 2nd and another undisclosed to Seattle. If he does well we may be able to get a 3rd or 4th round for him. If you want to send a message to Goodell, get all the picks back.

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I took my 12 year son to see the mariners play the Orioles a couple years a go in Seattle. Planned the trip for months, spent quite a bit of cash on the trip, when we got to the stadium........Ripken sat out...it was just after he broke the iron man record...we were crushed. Play Brees, please. It is what it is.

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We are not mathematically out of the playoff picture but even if we were you don't sit a quarterback because he had 2 bad games.
You give him some help, by running the football; which is what should have happened in the last 2 games. It's not all on Drew. The coaching is at fault also. I wish people would realize that and stop putting it all in Drew's lap.

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Problem is nobody has the balls to sit Drew Brees. He practically owns the Saints and so-goes-Drew-so-goes-our-game.

Once we become non-competitive, I'd sit him. Chase Daniels may be another Aaron Rodgers but we'll never know because he is Drew's towel boy.

His magic wand is smoking and sputtering. Let's let him recharge for Payton's return. He can go make another Trust Fund baby or something...

Alaska

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non-sense

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I simply cannot believe some people think we should sit Drew. They sound worse than Falcon fans.

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Just imagine what the Falcons fans will sound like when Drew tears a rotator cup or blows an ACL in a game that doesn't matter...

It's STUPID to play Drew from here on out. We pulled him when we were 13-0, didn't we?

Oh, I forgot... Fantasy Football league fantasies must still be fulfilled. My bad.

Alaska

We have yet to reach 0% possibility of play offs.

When I mentioned drew sitting it was for the rest of a game not a damn season...

JC!

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Daniel Stern may fine them for sitting Brees et al...

Oh that's right, we have the other @$$hole...

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What about the fans who paid a lot of money for tickets to see Drew play.

If I was commissioner and the Saints sat him in order to get a higher pick, I'd take away their 1st rounder and I'd LMMFAO at the folks who wanted him benched.

Resting a banged up player for the playoffs is one thing, but tanking for a higher pick is disgusting in my view.

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Everyone understands Drew got hurt in San Diego.Playing in a meaningless game. Once we are officially out what makes the rest of the games meaningful? The guy is Guaranteed 60 million or something insane like that. We need to get every penney out of him we can and we can't do that if he gets hurt in a meaningless game. He is the Franchise and if we are out you save the franchise.

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Sitting Brees for a higher draft pick set aside, I think Drew's arm strength needs closer scrutiny...

His reconstructed shoulder means he must depend on muscle tissue more than most of us (not that we call can throw a football) because of the torn tendons...

I've found that his deep throws have been inaccurate and weak; and I believe the opposition has picked up on this...

Drew really should be examined soon by Dr. Andrews and reevaluated (which I thought the team should have done prior to the Tom Condon F**KING, err Contract Extension)...

Don't geaux off the deep end, there's plenty of blame to geaux around for this season - I just want to see Drew healthy and zipping the long balls as he was three years ago...

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If you sit Drew Brees because the season means nothing the following will take place...
1. Drew Brees will NEVER be in the same sentence as Manning, Brady, Rodgers or any of the other greats. Benching him will hav that effect IMO.
2. New Orleans Saints will NEVER be considered an elite team again because of benching our best player.

This could hurt us in more ways than I'd want to imagine. Not to mention the message it sends to the team. I can't even believe people are talking about this. Hard to imagine someone suggeste dit back in week 2-3....

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If ANYBODY was Commissioner, other than Roger Goodell, we'd have a coach and be on a march to the Super Bowl.

But I get it, any reference to sitting the hundred million dollar quarterback is a personal assault to some members of a fan board, and therefore it should not be done.

Comical.

Alaska

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Personal assult on who?

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That's a really really tough call. The Bills are still starting Williams, Spiller and Jackson. Id wager that the Bills RBs are the most important cogs on the Bills squad. I've seen even better go down in seemingly hopeless and/or meaningless situattions.. See: Brady. Players may be playing out of pride. Maybe they're playing to reach certain incentives in their contracts. They may also be playing simply to pad stats in order to make themselves more desirable to other franchises.

I'm thinking that when your studs demand to play, you as a General simply rolls the dice out of respect for that particular ultra-productive player. I just cant see Brees asking for his ticket into the off-season to get punched. The man is a warrior.. I cant see Favre or Peyton getting shelved for the season. Yes I've mentioned Brees in this caliber of QB. He'll be welcome to belly up to the table with the most recent greats someday...