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K Major 02-20-2013 09:18 PM

Re: Holder: Saints Cut Dave Thomas, Johnny Patrick
 
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 480991)
He did not play zone 100% of the time. You can go back and look at any coverage he was in, and see him get blown up. As I said in another post, I think teams were able to look at his film after his second season (because that was his first significant playing time) and exploit his weaknesses. Among other things, he bites on the hitch and go with tremendous regularity. He is also afraid to come up and hit somebody, which teams took advantage of with a lot of shorter routes, allowing their receivers to pile up the "YAC".

I really hope you and Danno are right about the scheme making a difference, but I just don't see how we can pawn off that level of suckage on just the scheme.

Rob Ryan will evaluate PRob much like he did Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick at corner position in Dallas... unfortunately for them they simply weren't good enough so they were introduced to the bench and enter F/A Brandon Carr and draft pick Mo Claiborne. At some point, you can't keep shaking fingers on coaches, schemes or lack of an effective pass rush on his inability to perform. You either can play the position or you can't.

SmashMouth 02-22-2013 09:14 AM

Re: Holder: Saints Cut Dave Thomas, Johnny Patrick
 
For a recent third-round pick who couldn’t get on the field for the league’s all-time worst defense (as measured by yards allowed), cornerback Johnny Patrick was popular yesterday.

After being released by the Saints, he was claimed off waivers by the Chargers. But according to Adam Caplan of TheSidelineView.com, the Seahawks and Colts also put in claims for the former Louisville corner.

Patrick being popular (primarily because he’s cheap) illustrates the “one man’s trash is another man’s treasure” nature of the business, which is worth remembering as teams obsess over the measurables of mid- to late-round picks this week.

Johnny Patrick was a popular waiver-wire name | ProFootballTalk

jeanpierre 02-22-2013 09:17 AM

Re: Holder: Saints Cut Dave Thomas, Johnny Patrick
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 481252)
For a recent third-round pick who couldn’t get on the field for the league’s all-time worst defense (as measured by yards allowed), cornerback Johnny Patrick was popular yesterday.

After being released by the Saints, he was claimed off waivers by the Chargers. But according to Adam Caplan of TheSidelineView.com, the Seahawks and Colts also put in claims for the former Louisville corner.

Patrick being popular (primarily because he’s cheap) illustrates the “one man’s trash is another man’s treasure” nature of the business, which is worth remembering as teams obsess over the measurables of mid- to late-round picks this week.

Johnny Patrick was a popular waiver-wire name | ProFootballTalk

When he starts for that team and leads his league in INT - oh man is there going to be some drama...

dizzle88 02-22-2013 09:19 AM

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When corey white was struggling I was thinking "man why don't they just put Johnny Patrick out there, he looked great in preseason"

Then they finally did, and he single handedly nearly lost the dallas game for us

Lets hope corey white is fully healthy and can continue from last season, he was playing real well before he got injured

Danno 02-22-2013 09:21 AM

Re: Holder: Saints Cut Dave Thomas, Johnny Patrick
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 481258)
When corey white was struggling I was thinking "man why don't they just put Johnny Patrick out there, he looked great in preseason"

Then they finally did, and he single handedly nearly lost the dallas game for us

Lets hope corey white is fully healthy and can continue from last season, he was playing real well before he got injured

He sure did look like he was developing nicely.

Don't forget, many scouting sites thought his best fit in the NFL was at FS.

Hmmm.

dizzle88 02-22-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 481259)
He sure did look like he was developing nicely.

Don't forget, many scouting sites thought his best fit in the NFL was at FS.

Hmmm.

He does have the size to play FS and he's a fast guy, you never know

This is the best coverage by a saints DB on a deep pass that i've seen in a long while - he plays the ball very well in flight


halloween 65 02-22-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 481255)
When he starts for that team and leads his league in INT - oh man is there going to be some drama...

The db coach in San Diago is pretty good, but you look at the Seahawks db. coach he's even better, makes me think what 2 real good db. coaches see that we might of missed. I know our db. coach stinks. Maybe, just maybe he is part of the problem.

halloween 65 02-22-2013 09:44 AM

Re: Holder: Saints Cut Dave Thomas, Johnny Patrick
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 480993)
Rob Ryan will evaluate PRob much like he did Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick at corner position in Dallas... unfortunately for them they simply weren't good enough so they were introduced to the bench and enter F/A Brandon Carr and draft pick Mo Claiborne. At some point, you can't keep shaking fingers on coaches, schemes or lack of an effective pass rush on his inability to perform. You either can play the position or you can't.

We definatly do need a true polished corner, not only for his field play but also to teach, we don't have one. Greers not bad but one more we could be good, not great but good.

jeanpierre 02-22-2013 09:55 AM

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Seahawks DB Coach Kris Richard, only 33, would be an outstanding DC

FinSaint 02-22-2013 12:52 PM

Re: Holder: Saints Cut Dave Thomas, Johnny Patrick
 
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 481267)
The db coach in San Diago is pretty good, but you look at the Seahawks db. coach he's even better, makes me think what 2 real good db. coaches see that we might of missed. I know our db. coach stinks. Maybe, just maybe he is part of the problem.


Do you mean Andre Curtis, the assistant secondary coach, when you are talking about the Saints' DB coach?

Because if you do, I think you are barking up the wrong tree, since he's only been with the team for a year and his track-record before that would indicate that he is more than capable of doing the job and developing the Saints' DBs.


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