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Old 09-07-2004, 10:21 AM   #11
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Zook was here, top ten defense
Venturi took over, top ten worst defense
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Old 09-07-2004, 11:00 AM   #12
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Thats great give him all the blame and zero credit if the Defense is good this year that doesn\'t make much sense.
So we\'re supposed to give him credit on some **** that he hasn\'t done yet? Please....
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Old 09-07-2004, 12:49 PM   #13
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...I HATE ANOTHER YEAR WASTED BECAUSE WE ARE WAITING ON BROOKS TO BECOME A LEADER. YEA 24 TOUCHDOWNS 8 INT. BUT LETS REMEMBER 14 FUMBLES SO ALL IN ALL 24 TOUCHDOWNS AND 22 TURNOVERS FOR BROOKS THAT IS HORRIBLE. THAT IS A SET UP FOR AN 8-8 SEASON BUT OBVIOUSLY IT\'S ALRIGHT TO GO 8-8 ON THIS SIGHT. OFFENSE DOESNT WIN ASK CHIEFS AND COLTS LAST YEAR BUT ASK THE S.B CHAMPS PATRIOTS AND WHY DO YOU THINK THE PANTHERS AND RAVENS ARE PICKED TO WIN IT THIS YEAR
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Hmmmm.....OK, just to be the \"fact-checker\" here for a minute....

While Brooks obviously has to work on hanging on to the ball, it\'s downright incorrect to point out \"8 INTs and 14 fumbles equals 22 turnovers\" to go with the 24 TDs. You only count the fumbles lost as turnovers, of course, meaning Brooks numbers were 24 TD/22 TO. Still could be better....but since you take pains to point out the Panthers, maybe you should chew on this for awhile--Jake Delhomme in 2003; 19 TDs, 16 INTs and 6 fumbles lost...meaning 16 TD/22 TO ratio. Is that a set up for an 8-8 season, too? Of course, if you really still want to count all fumbles rather than just fumbles lost, you have to remember that Delhomme put the ball on the ground 15 times last season--one more time than Brooks--meaning the comparable ratios would be Brooks, 24 TD/22 INT and FUM, and Delhomme, 19 TD/31 INT and FUM.
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Old 09-07-2004, 01:19 PM   #14
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I KNOW THAT DELHOMME HAD MORE TURNOVERS BUT HE IS A LEADER AND DOESN\'T LAUGH EVERY TIME HE MAKES A MISTAKE WHICH IS QUITE OFTEN.
HIS DEFENSE COULD BAIL HIM OUT OUR DEFENSE CAN\'T.
I\'M JUST TRYING TO PROVE A POINT THAT DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
AND YOU DON\'T HAVE TO HAVE THE BEST NUMBERS AT QUARTERBACK BUT IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MANAGE A GAME AND BE A LEADER YOUR TEAM WILL HAVE SUCCESS. BROOKS HAS THE NUMBERS BUT NOTHING THAT REALLY SHOWS HE IS A LEADER, HELL HE HAS TAKEN LEADERSHIP CLASSES YOUR EITHER BORN A LEADER OR NOT. IF HE CAN\'T BE A LEADER ON THE TEAM HOW IS HE GOING TO LEAD THE SAINTS ANYWAY.
LOAD UP ON D AND HAVING A SORRY QB LIKE BROOKS WON\'T EVEN MATTER ESPECIALLY IF VENTURI IS HEAD COACH AND JOHN PEASE IS D COORDINATOR
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Old 09-07-2004, 05:52 PM   #15
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When zook left we also let go of glover and johnson are two last pro bowlers on defense. Lets do not even get on zook\'s coaching abililty i am a Gator fan and he took over a power house of a college program and look what he did with them 8-5 back to back seasons.
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Old 09-07-2004, 06:20 PM   #16
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I have simply come to the conclusion that coleh21 and dodgelsu are one in the same. Just here to cause a a stir and unintelligible conversation. -ignore mode-
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Old 09-07-2004, 09:27 PM   #17
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why dont you go up to the top and look at the posted times between me and coleh21
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Old 09-07-2004, 09:42 PM   #18
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ARGH! Can\'t we all just get along?!

dodgelsu: You need to chill out, man! I want to talk Saints football just as much as you do, but we can\'t do that unless you start managing yourself to a more mature level. Now, understand that a lot of the members of this website have been here for years. They have all treated each other with respect and dignity. They did not attain respect among their peers by waving a rebel flag around their faces and yelling, \" BBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!11 1\" That\'s just flat out immature. If you can just calm down and not act like everyone is out to kill you, we\'ll survive.

Now, to get back to the main subject at hand:

You say that Rick Venturi is a good coach. I disagree. A good coordinator is creative, inventive, and makes sound playcalls. As of yet, I have never seen Venturi as one of those. Also, a good coordinator can create defensive schemes that exemplify the strengths of a defensive unit and bring out the best of a player. He hasn\'t done that either. He has maintained the same scheme for the past 3 years. That just doesn\'t win games in the 4th quarter.

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Old 09-07-2004, 09:43 PM   #19
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Hey Dodge, I have asked nicely up until now, but now I\'m going to say one thing, like my father told me along time ago, halt you criminal. Just stop it or clean up your act you are doing nothing, but ticking everyone off.
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