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arsaint 04-22-2013 10:42 AM

Evil Empire wanting to move up to mid 1st round?
 
San Francisco 49ers looking to trade up in NFL draft? - NFL.com


Would you make this trade (if the player SF wanted was available @ 15)?


Saints #15 (1050 points)

for

49ers #31 (625 points)
+
49ers later (they have two 2nds) 2nd rounder #61 (300 points)
+
49ers later (they have two 3rds) 3rd rounder #93 (130 points)


That would only be 5 points in our favor on the points chart - sounds like a fair trade to me...

|Mitch| 04-22-2013 10:43 AM

Re: Evil Empire wanting to move up to mid 1st round?
 
definitely!

The only way that happens though, if Vacarro is still on the board

lee909 04-22-2013 10:45 AM

Re: Evil Empire wanting to move up to mid 1st round?
 
Sellers market this year.
I'd expect it to be 1st/2nd/3rd.

arsaint 04-22-2013 10:49 AM

Re: Evil Empire wanting to move up to mid 1st round?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 496053)
definitely!

The only way that happens though, if Vacarro is still on the board


I've been thinking we might go for Vacarro, then I heard Mike Detiller say that he doesn't catch the ball well.

Sorry, we already have two safeties with hands of stone. Why draft another?

I want another with hands of velcro like Sharper!

lee909 04-22-2013 10:54 AM

Re: Evil Empire wanting to move up to mid 1st round?
 
Trade back with 49ers and in the second get Cyprian

ANALYSIS
Strengths
Looks and plays like a strong in-the-box safety with solid thickness throughout his build. Holds his ground against blocks from bigger opponents, and also runs through traffic to wrap up ballcarriers inside (sometimes as a fast edge blitzer). Possesses enough speed and athleticism to cover ground as a zone defender in the back half and line up against slot receivers inside. Closes on stretch runs and quick throws to outside receivers even when playing well back from the line. Beats receiver blocks with quickness or strength. His secure tackling in those situations is also notable, as he brings some attitude into his attempts unlike other defensive backs in this class. Used as a blitzer on run and pass plays, can overpower running back blocks.
Weaknesses
Doesn’t have elite range or the height/length combination to play as a single-deep safety. Quick enough to make a hit after the catch when deep, but is often a step slow to recognize the pass coming into his area. Aggressive in coverage, he can be sucked up by play action and will jump underneath routes, allowing plays over the top. Lacks elite change of direction and quickness in man coverage, and does not recover like a corner if beaten by a quick move off the line or in space.
NFL Comparison
Jordan Babineaux
Bottom Line
One of the hardest-hitting safeties in the 2013 draft class, Cyprien offers enough range to be reliable in box coverage while displaying an aggressive mentality againt ball carriers and receivers. He plays smart, and that might be the most improtant trait when looking at safeties. However, despite it being unique, Cyprien doesn't have a very well known name ... yet.

|Mitch| 04-22-2013 10:55 AM

Re: Evil Empire wanting to move up to mid 1st round?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 496055)
I've been thinking we might go for Vacarro, then I heard Mike Detiller say that he doesn't catch the ball well.

Sorry, we already have two safeties with hands of stone. Why draft another?

I want another with hands of velcro like Sharper!

I was talking about the 49ers wanting Vacarro to replace Goldson, or that's what has been discussed

arsaint 04-22-2013 10:56 AM

Re: Evil Empire wanting to move up to mid 1st round?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 496057)
I was talking about the 49ers wanting Vacarro to replace Goldson, or that's what has been discussed

I knew that was what you meant - I just have heard some analysts saying that we that we should consider him if he's still there at #15.

alleycat_126 04-22-2013 11:00 AM

Re: Evil Empire wanting to move up to mid 1st round?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 496052)
San Francisco 49ers looking to trade up in NFL draft? - NFL.com


Would you make this trade (if the player SF wanted was available @ 15)?


Saints #15 (1050 points)

for

49ers #31 (625 points)
+
49ers later (they have two 2nds) 2nd rounder #61 (300 points)
+
49ers later (they have two 3rds) 3rd rounder #93 (130 points)


That would only be 5 points in our favor on the points chart - sounds like a fair trade to me...

Of course I woud take it in a heart beat!!!! But the better deal would be closer picks 1st round #31 and 2cnd round #2 and if there feeling generous a sixth!!!

I would love to get St. Louis, or Minnesota involved in this discussion though. Somebody who could give them some competition with multiple picks in the 1st round..

triman 04-22-2013 01:08 PM

Re: Evil Empire wanting to move up to mid 1st round?
 
Moving down and getting a 2nd rd Pick would be a best case for us in this deep defensive draft. Minny 21 25 would be nice too.

Rugby Saint II 04-22-2013 02:06 PM

Re: Evil Empire wanting to move up to mid 1st round?
 
I'd hop on the deal. They are getting ready to implode. I just have a feeling. It's time for personalities to start getting in the way. Harbaugh is such an ass he's got to be rubbing people the wrong way.

Who's got it better than us? The Saints! :bng:


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