Mike Detillier's Rankings of our UDFAs we signed....
 

Really like his information and he had very good draft insight that seemed in my opinion spot on in his 2013 Draft Report:

We knocked it out the park. :D

Mike D's Draft Report's Rating Scale:
20.00-19.30 Early to mid 1st Round
19.29-18.85 Late 1st or Early 2nd
18.84-17.80 2nd Round or Early 3rd
17.19-17.30 Late 3rd or 4th round
17.29-16.95 Late 4th or 5th Round
16.94-15.50 6th or Early 7th Round Pick
15.49-14.10 7th Round Pick
14.09 and Under Free Agent Status

Chase Thomas OLB 17.70 (#14 ranked OLB)
Kevin Reddick ILB 17.70 (#6 ranked ILB)
Eric Martin DE 17.35 (#18 ranked DE but has him projected as 3-4 OLB)
Ryan Griffin QB 17.05 (#12 ranked QB)
Rod Sweeting CB 16.54 (#39 ranked CB)
Keavon Milton TE 16.41 (#26 ranked TE)
Ryan Lacy CB 16.40 (#52 ranked CB)
Josh Hill TE 16.35 (#32 ranked TE)
Ray Shipman OLB 16.30 (#45 ranked OLB)
Shawne Alston FB 16.25 (#15 ranked FB)
Elliot Mealer, Glenn Foster, Tim Lelito all unranked.

Here's how our draft picks rated:
Kenny Vaccaro FS 19.22 (#1 ranked FS)
Terron Armstead OT 18.09 (#7 ranked OT)
John Jenkins DT 18.85 (#8 ranked DT)
Kenny Stills WR 18.02 (#16 ranked WR)
Rufus Johnson unranked (This one is only one I questioned obviously...lol...don't know why he wasn't ranked?)

Other than not rating Johnson looks like Mike D was very high on our draft-he seems to be one of the more well respected draft analysts as far as I can tell...his draft reports have been well received the last few yrs.

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so he has Reddick and Thomas ranked as late 2nds early 3rds? very nice...

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Looks like the coaching staff did a good job

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I been saying all along the only questionable draft picks I've wondered about in the last few yrs is Patrick Robinson and Mark Ingram! Now PR was my main 1 I didn't like but he was pubbed by all the media guys and scouts! Ingram on the other hand I didn't question the player just the how he was going to fit in a multiback system when he is a power rythym back who shines in the 2nd half so he needs alot of touches he's not a HR hitter he is more of a Emmit Smith type of runner! Now as far as where they drafted him it to was an absolute steal but the fit wasn't as good as say maybe if he went to Pittsburgh or Somewhere that they run a power playaction scheme where he can be a feature back and get 20-25 touches a game! Now I get why they did it because 1. He was the highest rated player in the entire draft by alot of analyst, 2. We had a health issue "Ivory and Thomas" and contract issues "Bush" with our RBs so I get it the top rated guy was still there at 25 and u were having issues at that same position, but I bet given another shot at it they wouldn't have panicked or spontaneously drafted because of the value without properly evaluating the fit for that player. All that being said we still have a heck of a talent that could break loose and get his touches he needs to have success! Ingram will have alot of success as soon as he gets his consistent carries and touches! He has to feel his way to find the D's weaknesses and holes to run through, he is a total bruiser who imposes his will and power on opposing defenses and their gameplan! I know he can get it done if healthy and called on!

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agreed and would add the need for adjustments on OL to provide the power blocking he needs.

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i have the feeling the depth chart got a very big shot in the arm it needed with this group. Special teams should see a biggest improvement right away.

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These UDFA LBs has me really excited. If just one of them can be a solid contributer it would be great.

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I have to agree! When I saw we traded up to the 1st rd I was like "sweet!!!" Finally an impact linebacker! Then they say "Mark Ingram" and I was like WTF?!?!?

Just like this past weekend in the 3rd when we got a trade up I was like "Okafor!!!" But we just drafted Johnathon Sullivan's twin...Georgia and everything...

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So you're saying we DON'T need a 346lb man anchoring the center of a 3-4 defense??

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Rufus Johnson wasn't ranked because there are just too many College players to evaluate and rank all of them. Most of the players in the draft were truly scouted by 1-2 people and the rest of the media, and experts, just evaluated someone elses scouting report.

Why else does everyone go off of the combine and not true on the field play.. its just too much. So you get someone like Chase Thomas that didnt put up an expected 40 yd time and now he is ours. The people that truely scouted his on the field play saw him going somewhere between the 3rd and the 6th .

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No, we need a 336 lb man in the center. The kid's already trimming down. Almost wasting away to nothing they're saying;-)

And Thomas may be the deal of the century!

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That's why I question the Saints Scouting department...

Player Personnel
Ryan Pace Director of Pro Scouting
Rick Reiprish Director of College Scouting
Brian Adams Assistant Director of College Scouting
Terry Fontenot Pro Scout
Ryan Powell Pro Scout
Mike Baugh Area Scout
Ryan Hollern Area Scout
Dwaune Jones Area Scout
Josh Lucas Area Scout
Jim Monos Area Scout
Terry Wooden Area Scout
Joey Vitt, Jr. Combine Scout
Jason Mitchell College Scouting Coordinator
Joey Laine Salary Cap Analyst/Player Personnel
Danny Callahan IT/Applications Development Manager
Michael Parenton Scouting Assistant
Casey Talley Scouting Assistant
Andy Huffman IT/Applications Development Assistant

You mean to tell me this many people can't get the talent accurately scouted?!?

These guys are Two Hooters Hostesses short of an Over-the-Top Fantasy Draft of Donators...

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I think chase will be like fagita maybe a little more active on the field good grab.

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have a solid chance of making the cut
Chase Thomas OLB 17.70 (#14 ranked OLB)
Kevin Reddick ILB 17.70 (#6 ranked ILB)
Rod Sweeting CB 16.54 (#39 ranked CB)

long shots at making the cut
Eric Martin DE 17.35 (#18 ranked DE but has him projected as 3-4 OLB)
Shawne Alston FB 16.25 (#15 ranked FB)

Pratice squad maybes
Ryan Griffin QB 17.05 (#12 ranked QB)
Keavon Milton TE 16.41 (#26 ranked TE)
Ryan Lacy CB 16.40 (#52 ranked CB)
Josh Hill TE 16.35 (#32 ranked TE)
Ray Shipman OLB 16.30 (#45 ranked OLB)
Elliot Mealer, Glenn Foster, Tim Lelito all unranked.

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That is exactly what I am telling you. There are a combined 238 College football teams in 1-A and 1-AA.. I am not going to count all of the smaller Colleges like Hofstra that produced Colston.

So you have 18 people covering 250+ Colleges, that what... 100 players per team ? Thats 18 people to scout 25,000 players, 6,000 Seniors players. There is no way it can be done accurately and thoroughly. One would have to assume that at least 1,000 of them are being miss-used, or poorly coached. So Scouts have to watch tape and look for natural ability...

Payton has the Scouts scout the obvious and it seems he watches College ball looking for the sleepers that no one is looking at to find the diamond in the ruff... because he has a great eye for natural ability.

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I'm glad that you brought this up. I've been under the assumption that our scouts suck. Although, I still think we could follow the 49ers scouts around for a while. They seem to know what they are doing. ;)

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I would also buy into the Chargers scouts of 2001-2005

Sproles
Brees
Tomlinson


But Jimmy Raye was hired by the Colts this year.

This is interesting.
NFL Draft History: Ranking the 25 Best Draft Classes of the Last 10 Years | Bleacher Report

We ranked #5, Chargers are in there 4 times.

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I think there are two there.

Saints Undrafted Free Agents: Setting Odds Each Rookie Makes Final Roster - Who Dat Dish - A New Orleans Saints Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more.

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Okay, math...

If you watch one game, that's two teams - right?!? You just halved the work...

The team should have established relationships with schools including complementary, forwarded game film promoting their players (part of the recruiting process)...

I just can't see how a staff can't get it done; now this staff leaves, not so much...

Oak, I've seen staffs with less do way more; as an ER Clerk, then a transplant coordinator, seen those staffs go through the boards with some pretty heavy schtuff while I was in school in New Orleans...

Ask the military guys, if anyone has been asked to do more with less (especially in the last 20 years) - I've seen that first hand!

The new military - smaller, efficient; more like understaffed, underpaid, underappreciated...

And Oak, I don't want the tone of my response to denigrate your point; but there are all kind of ways to apply efficiency to the scouting process; and you can move numbers to make the job sound easier or harder...

I'm just not going to cry a river for their difficult challenge...

Let me take this conversation this way - how come teams like the Steelers, Ravens, Broncos, Giants, Patriots, 49ers always seem to have solid drafts year in, year out? They obviously are doing something better?

Start with these Saints scouts - I'd like to see a few more guys that have actually played the game, coached at a professional/collegiate level, paid there dues...

have you seen some of the names on the list?!?

read there bios?!?

I'm not saying a nerd, MBA candidate, or nepotistic relation can't appreciate and scout football, but damn, where's diversity and real game, life experience among our scouts?!?

And less I offend, nerd myself - Library Club, Science/Physics Club, Literature Club (okay that was for the girls) - I just was able to bust bullies in the mouth when they'd try to give my friends' heads an Ole Mississippi Muddy Cocktail...

Now, the Saints did a much better job with the quantity and quality of the players from this draft and Rookie UDFA Rush - but it could have been better...

Again, they do have good players identified - look at some of the UDFAs we've found in the last ten years...

My two problems that I present are...

first, Draft Management, like Game Management - the Saints FO doesn't seem to value draft picks as much as other teams; I'd just like to see them get more value when they trade...

and second, Rating/Value/Ranking of the Talent Pool or Board; just have seen us leave players that had more value and even need...

Look I Love the Saints, just tired of the insanity of making same mistakes when the potential for this team to blow it out of the @$$ has been there for five years...

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That was really damned awesome. I'll read it later when I have time, but there appears to be all kinds of really cool **** in it based upon volume.

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Nice work. Is there a link?