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BROOKS, GRANT HAVE MILE-HIGH FRACAS



A league source tells us that Saints quarterback Aaron Brooks and defensive end Charles Grant got into a rumble on the flight back from the team's 34-10 pasting at the hands of the Arizona Cardinals.



Though we don't know who started it or whether any damage was done to either player (or to the plane), the thinking in Saints land is that the scrum might push the team toward maximizing its potential in 2004.



Fortunately for the Saints, they'll go nearly three weeks without having to hop another flight. On Sunday, they face the Bucs at home. The following Sunday, they host the Vikings on ESPN. And their ability to sweep the coming home stand will go a long way toward proving whether the scuffle will make any difference for a team that went from promising to underachieving via a 3-hour stint in the desert on Sunday.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Anyone wanna bet the arguement was not over the last chicken wing .... Saintfan ????


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Not sure I completely understand what you mean here. If I had to guess I\'d say Brooks probably called some people out for their sorry play and Grant got tee\'d.

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Thanks Saintfan .

The team is coming apart at the seams .

Maybe Grant said \" J.T. should start cause he could lead the offense better then you against a worthless defense like Arizona \" .... ;)

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Could be. More likely tho that Brooks called out the defense for allowing the sorry Cards to run the ball at will. ;)

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Like the high powered offense was scoring at will and kept the defense off of the field ??? Then again they might have had 7 more points had fumbalaya Brooks not been true to his name .... ;)

[Edited on 4/10/2004 by saintz08]

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7 points wouldn\'t have dont much for the final score, but believe it or not I was as pizzed about that fumble as you. Either way, Brooks can\'t do much when he\'s (a) running for his life and (b) can\'t get the ball off casue of pre snap problems and (c) there\'s a holding call on every other offensive play and (d) his vaunted receivers keep dropping the stupid ball. ;)

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Well **** I don\'t blame him your gonna let a 36 year old run for 100 some yards what a joke. My Chaney Highshool squad of 96 could stop Emmit from rushing 100 yards. The current squad of 2004 could too.

GEAUX SAINTS. WHO DAT GONNA BEAT DEM SAINTS WHO DAT WHO DAT. WHO DAT GONNA CHUCK THAT THAT ROCK STECKER STECKER. I gotta layoff the crack lmao

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A. Make sure all passing plays have a hot route slant option on them . Getting the ball out quicker gets the defense on their heels .

B . Repeat the snap count twice in the huddle at the end of the play call , Call cadence louder at the line .

C. Make the read faster and lead the receivers with the ball .

D. Take some heat off the ball , hands sweat in the desert heat .




[Edited on 4/10/2004 by saintz08]

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So, if I may. In other words you\'re saying Brooks, as you typically attempt to insinuate, is solely responsible for the failure of our offensive line to \"excel\" and our receiver\'s inablilty to catch catchable passes.

I guess you missed the Non Call then. You know, the one where there was holding in the end zone. You know...the one where our guy was holding the moment the ball was snapped (there are several other similar examples you must have missed). I\'m sure you\'ll fail to acknowledge that many catchable passes (some right on the numbers) were just thrown too \"hot\" to handle.


Uh huh. Your agenda is as clear as ever. LMAO

:poke:

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08 you\'ve collided with the ABB standard for post game evaluation.

Under the Anything But Brooks standard. By that I mean, if there is a loss, under no circumstance can Brooks play any part of explainting what went wrong. :icon_eyesroll:

The inverse principle works during a win. If we win, ignore any other explanation because it\'s plain as day that Brooks single-handedly won the game by himself. :icon_bs:

:kerry:

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Nope .....

Just wonderin why he chose to throw down with Grant with all them offensive mistakes under his direct leadership .

But I guess that makes sense to some , including Brooks . Can\'t keep your own squad under control , then throw down with the defensive side of the ball .... ;)

Some might have thought he would have been throwin down with Riley or Gandy after the game .....But that just aint Brooks style ....

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The way I hear it is he (AB) was downing the offense and Grant jumped in to dis them too. AB took exception with a defensive player belittling his offensive team mates. No blows were struck and no animals were hurt in the filming. However ESPN reports that the argument restarted when the plane landed. Both players apologized to the team today in team meetings. :seeingstars:

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Figures Gator gets it but in another thread .....

And the Answer is : NO TEAM CONCEPT

This is why you have Brooks and Grant going at it . The team is clearly divided and Hasbeen has not found away to get them focused on one goal as an entire team .

The leadership on this team is non existant other then Horn and his practical jokes , finger pointing is an annual event in New Orleans as much as the December slide .

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If Haslett was a good coach (so this will never happen), he would use this anger and contempt to motivate the team.

Jon Gruden had the same approach when the Bucs won the Super Bowl: let the players fight and talk trash to each other, harness that anger and emotion, and use it to motivate the players to prove their enemies wrong. Of course, having a really good defense helps, too...

Dusty Baker did the same thing in SF. Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent got into a heated argument, and he used that emotion to his benefit. What happened the next day? Bonds hits, like, 2 Homers and Kent goes 3 for 4 with a homer, and the Giants win.

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Agreed, I don\'t see this kind of thing happening on a Billick or Belichick coached team.

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I\'m glad there was a heated arguement. I\'m glad tempers flew. Hell ya! After a game like that, I\'m gald they were mad. i WAS MAD. To me it shows they have heart and don\'t like losing.

People ***** about AB when he smiles on the sidelines. I\'d much rather hear about him getting mad after a crap arse game like Sundays.

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I was listening to WWL last night and heard (I think KW commented) it was AB chewing asss on some offensive players (hopefully Riley and Gandy) and Grant piled on. AB basically told Grant to STFU and worry about his side of the ball and Grant fired back. Words, no punches. If this is true, I LOVE IT!
EMOTION!!!
FINALLY!!!!

Now if they can only channel that fire and anger toward gamedays this team might actually improve.

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Brooks, Grant air out frustrations
Teammates engage in \'a verbal match\'

Tuesday, October 05, 2004

By Bob Fortus


The Saints brought their frustration with losing to the previously winless Cardinals on Sunday to the team plane, where quarterback Aaron Brooks and defensive end Charles Grant became involved in what Coach Jim Haslett called \"a verbal match\" on the flight home from Arizona.

\"It was not bad,\" Haslett said at his Monday press conference. \"It was nothing more than (linebackers coach) Winston Moss and I had during the game. Both guys are passionate about winning. They\'re both upset about the way they played, and we played.

\"You know how it happens when something starts. By the time it hits (the news), it\'s probably an all-out brawl, and the plane almost went down. It was nothing like that at all.\"

Brooks, who after the 34-10 setback to the Cardinals said he needs to \"re-evaluate my situation here in New Orleans,\" was not available in the locker room after the team\'s regular Monday meeting.

Grant declined to comment but said he\'d talk later this week.

Haslett downplayed Brooks\' frustrations.

\"When I talked to him today, he said he had to re-evaluate -- looking at the film, make sure that he\'s doing his part,\" Haslett said. \"If he meant anything more than that, I don\'t know. You\'ll have to talk to him.\"

Said center LeCharles Bentley: \"I don\'t think there are any problems. You have to remember Aaron\'s situation. When the team\'s playing well he gets a lot of praise. When the team\'s not playing well he gets all the blame.\"

Haslett said the Saints \"self-destructed on offense\" after moving the ball effectively early against Arizona. The Saints committed 12 penalties, and offensive linemen Victor Riley and Wayne Gandy committed two false starts each.

\"Our mental approach is not good when something bad happens on offense,\" Haslett said. \"We didn\'t play well on the field. Give credit to Arizona. They played hard. We were awful in the fourth quarter against the run.\"

The Saints rank second-to-last in the league in rushing defense and total defense after yielding 211 rushing yards to the Cardinals, who before Sunday had scored a total of 25 points in three games.

\"We lost our poise on defense the last eight minutes of the game trying to get the ball back,\" Haslett said.

The Saints also rank second-to-last in rushing offense. They rushed for 41 yards against the Cardinals, who came into the game ranked last in rushing defense.

\"I thought we did play hard,\" Haslett said. \"I don\'t think we played very smart.\"

Riley has shown a propensity for false starts, committing at least one in each game.

\"Those guys are out there on an island, and you\'re on the road, and all of a sudden the quarterback lifts his leg and you\'ve got speed coming off the edge. You have to be ready to move,\" Haslett said.

\"I don\'t know if the balls aren\'t coming up on time, or he\'s moving too soon, or a combination of both.\"

Haslett also said he isn\'t planning on benching any starters.

Said tight end Ernie Conwell: \"I don\'t think there needs to be a lot of talking right now. We just need to shut our mouths, play hard. I think we got some things done today (at the meeting).

\"We\'re 2-2. It\'s not the time to panic. We\'ve got to flush this game down the toilet.\"


http://nolalive.com/sports/t-p/index...5758321950.xml

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WTF kind of stupid azz answer is this? He had to uh uh re-evaluate film.......yeah yeah that\'s the ticket. :eck25:

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I wonder if Gandy and Riley were arguing with him about tipping the snap.

I think he may lift his foot about a half second before the snap and Riley and Gandy are getting embarrassed by speed rushers, leading to the off-sides problems.

Brooks may want to see the film for himself before he accepts blame.

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Not clearly.

Ask any coach, player scuffles happen alot more than we hear about. Caught the tail end of a coach interview on the radio yesterday, and he said that he had a player scuffle during halftime of a game where they were blowing out the opponent. All of this will become a distant memory later in the season.

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Two words: Cage Match

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If the Saints score a td on the first two drives as they should have, it would have done much more to demoralize the opponent. Think about it, N.O. 14-0 in the 1st quarter, only allowing 4 yards. The mental aspect of the game is already won, and the Saints coast. I blame this game on the Offense early on, and the defensive scheme in every game. They do nothing to address how badly they are getting destroyed on the inside. I am glad Mike Martz is a moron, otherwise, we would have lost that game as well if the Rams would have ran the ball. Think about it, Bulger ran 19 yards untouched, he isn\'t exactly Mike Vick.

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Alright, enough with the blame on Brooks. 08, I was critical on Brooks as much as anyone but let\'s face it, this year he seems to have stepped up his game and showing more emotion as a leader. He still has a few flaws but point out someone on this team who doesn\'t. I think the snap in shotgun formation sucks, it\'s slow and high 90% of the time which throws off everything. I think the problem with the game against AZ was the coaches getting more involved with the game planning. If they would miss a game or two we would be right back in the hunt. I think our pass routes generally suck. I don\'t understand why, with the new rule this year against chucking the receivers down the field, and the speed we have at WR, we aren\'t stretching the field more. Well, I do know, his name is McCarthy. If you can take this team, exactly as it is, change the coaches, and know that we would be contenders, then I\'d say the players for the most part aren\'t the problem.

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How many deep balls have been completed since AB took over? Its not something he does well. They can try to stretch the field and just throw it, but the defense knows he cant the deep ball well. This isnt me bashing Brooks. Just stating the fact. They try to do what he does well. Defenses start to figure out that the slant is coming. How many slants get run per game? Arizona\'s db\'s started jumping those routes. Why not try a double move? When the defense knows whats coming it makes things a little complicated to execute.

[Edited on 5/10/2004 by whodatsaintsfan26]

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Alright BlackandBlue , wake up and take notes .

This bull starts in January with Horn going off on Haslett about not starting Delhomme when Brooks was injured .We got questioning authority and the decision process , not like Horn came out and said \"Brooks came out and gave it all he had , he is our man and we need to stick together \" .

Deuce gets a little vocal and now we got Grant , the refusal of Grant to comment is what is interesting to me . Not to mention the cast off cancerous players .

Or it\'s the early warning to the volcanic eruption that happens later .... ;)

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Took this from another site

Poster says source is a radio sports show in San Diego ....

Now for some reason this makes sense , rather then Grant calling the Offense out ...

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You have GOT to admit, 08, that you are the most presumptuous poster on this board.

This team is the \"Where\'s Waldo?\" of the NFL. Can you find them? Do not bet on them in Vegas.

I begged and pleaded that the Saints would go long earlier this week to spread the defenses but to no avail. I know, I know, we all have solutions for this team but the management seems happy to achieve mediocrity. A 4.2 fourty is insane. You have two receivers that run it. At least run them there once or twice a game.

As far as \"And the Answer is:\" ? The answer is Dulamus McAllister. Aaron Brooks is a top ten quarterback, Duece is a top five runningback. I can\'t wait for him to come back. He IS the answer.

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Sure Jim, that\'s what he meant.

In this case, we actually agree completely. I meant to mention this last week and forgot. Brooks need to stop taking a half step forward a half second before the snap. It makes it real obvious to ID when the ball is being snapped. Also, I\'ve wondered over and over - how is that not a false start? I\'m surprised he hasn\'t been flagged for it.

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So what your telling me is, a poster, who will remain nameless...because his name wasn\'t given, from another site, and the name of that site was also not given, states that a \"radio talk show personality\" who also happens to be well connected in NFL circles, spread a story about what had happened on the plane, and I\'m supposed to eat that???
So the Phillies are in the playoffs and President Bush really did receive special treatment while in the National Guard. Think for yourself, question authority.

The exact quote was, \"I need to re-evaluate my position here in New Orleans.\" So, does that mean he\'s going to watch game film in Mississippi from now on???

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And ask for seconds ....

I am real interested in this , already am attempting to validate what the radio personality said .

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You mean I\'m not the only one who sees it? Go figure.

08 has every right to be \"presumptuous\" of course. Then again, the rest of us have every right to call him on it. LMAO

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Working a new theory here , just to let you know .

May debut early next week ..... ;)

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****, all you\'ve given me so far is whine and cheese. We haven\'t even made it through appetizers yet. Where\'s the main course, dammit?

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That\'s the shotgun \"silent count\" signal to the center....QB lifts foot when everyone is set after any shift, and he\'s ready for the ball. Center then snaps the ball without waiting for an actual verbal command. If you notice, usually the center will be looking back between his legs like a long snapper when a team is in the shotgun until the QB gives the \"foot lift\" signal that all is ready. Then the center will lift his head to take one last look at the defensive alignment to make sure no blocking scheme changes have to be made, and then snap the ball when he\'s satisfied with the blocking scheme. The rest of the offense just has to do one simple thing....watch the ball. Of course, the tackles are usually split out pretty wide to match up with the outside rush, and they try to \"cheat\" their way back off the line (although the refs are enforcing that more now) to build in a better blocking angle for an outside speed rush, so it\'s difficult for them to actually watch the ball like the guards can do. So what they often end up doing (a little too much, if you ask me) is to use their peripheral vision to sort of rely on a \"feel\" for when everyone else starts. Which gets them in trouble when anyone along the defensive front flinches or bluffs toward the line. But the foot lift isn\'t some kind of \"tip\" the defense is picking up, like Babe Ruth sticking his tongue out of the corner of his mouth when he was going to throw his curve (when he was still a pitcher with the Red Sox)--it\'s simply a signal to the center that everyone else on the offense is ready, and it\'s up to him to initiate the snap. If the defense is starting to time the period between the foot lift and the actual snap and is getting a \"jump\" on the blockers, it\'s up to Bentley, not Brooks, to vary the timing between the signal and the snap to keep that from happening. Perhaps he\'s unwittingly fallen into a tendency to snap it on the same rhythm after the foot lift, and defenses are picking up on it. The alternative is to drop the \"silent count\" concept completely for the shotgun, and go to a verbal snap count for that formation as well...but that can cause problems when you\'re playing on the road in some of the noisier venues. It wouldn\'t have mattered last Sunday, probably...but down the road you know it would lead to burned timeouts when the line couldn\'t hear the count.

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So then, what you\'re saying, is that in your opinion -- as opposed to some of our more agenda prone moderators and their defenders -- is that you don\'t think all the false starts and holding calls against the Saints last week are necessarilly all Brooks\' fault?

Neither do I. Then again, you\'d have to be willing to overlook many things if you were to blame Brooks\' alone. Some might even say, if you were to do that, that you have an agenda.

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Danno has an agenda now? B/c that was HIS comment quoted above. Who on this board doesn\'t have an agenda besides you? LOL

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This is what I was referring to Whodat. Me thinks you need to stop reaching in your attempt to stir up poo. ;)

I don\'t see many agenda\'s Whodat. Typically it\'s you and 08, and 08 mostly, but you\'ve had your moments. Denying it only proves it. You can fool some of the newer folks \'round here, but I\'ve been around a bit longer. ;)

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Me. I have always tried to approach this team in a fair minded and even handed way. I\'ve managed to stay far more objective about my comments than even I thought I would. Agenda-less posting can be done and I\'m living proof.