Living in the now proven to be sound strategy for New Orleans Saints

Utah_Saint · 04-12-2014, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think we purge yearly. Just look at all the vets we released this year.

That may be the norm now.

That's one way to keep pushing the cap each year.

$ = must equal value.

Even if you're doing well at your position, if you're not performing at a level that justifies your salary, you get released (or traded in Sproles case). That maximizes the talent under the cap.

Sproles and Moore are examples of performing well, but not well enough to justify the compensation based on market value.

Bunkley's salary was recently adjusted to reflect his market value base on his performance.

This is the reason I would like to see the Saints take an inside linebacker in the first or second round of the draft. Both Lofton and Hawthorne are being paid more than what their performance justifies. This season both need to prove they are worth the money they're making. If one or both still underperform, having a talented ILB waiting on the sidelines would give the Saints leverage in negotiating a new salary for both of them.

Danno · 04-12-2014, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

That's one way to keep pushing the cap each year.

$ = must equal value.

Even if you're doing well at your position, if you're not performing at a level that justifies your salary, you get released (or traded in Sproles case). That maximizes the talent under the cap.

Sproles and Moore are examples of performing well, but not well enough to justify the compensation based on market value.

Bunkley's salary was recently adjusted to reflect his market value base on his performance.

This is the reason I would like to see the Saints take an inside linebacker in the first or second round of the draft. Both Lofton and Hawthorne are being paid more than what their performance justifies. This season both need to prove they are worth the money they're making. If one or both still underperform, having a talented ILB waiting on the sidelines would give the Saints leverage in negotiating a new salary for both of them.

If CJ Mosley is there at 27, I'd sprint to the podium knocking over any and all men women and children in my way.

1. CJ Mosley ILB/OLB Alabama
2. Donte Moncrief WR Ole Miss
3. Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB Nebraska

Oh my, no need to watch the rest of the draft, we'd just draft a few small school guys I never heard of.

hagan714 · 04-12-2014, 04:06 PM

It all comes full circle in 2017. That will be the the beginning of the end

3 years and counting. lets go get us some rings baby.

2017 FA $2016 cap hit
Drew Brees QB UFA NO TBD 35 $27,400,000
Marques Colston WR UFA NO TBD 30 $10,500,000
Ben Grubbs G UFA NO TBD 30 $10,300,000
Jahri Evans G UFA NO TBD 30 $10,200,000
Brodrick Bunkley DT UFA NO TBD 30 $6,112,500
David Hawthorne ILB, LB UFA NO TBD 28 $5,510,000
Kenny Vaccaro S UFA NO TBD 23 $2,998,772
Pierre Thomas RB UFA NO TBD 29 $2,765,000

pumpkindriver · 04-12-2014, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If CJ Mosley is there at 27, I'd sprint to the podium knocking over any and all men women and children in my way.

1. CJ Mosley ILB/OLB Alabama
2. Donte Moncrief WR Ole Miss
3. Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB Nebraska

Oh my, no need to watch the rest of the draft, we'd just draft a few small school guys I never heard of.

I don't know about #1 or #3 on your list but I sure would love to see Moncrief in a Saint's uniform.

Rugby Saint II · 04-18-2014, 05:21 PM

So, the salary cap is like a debit card? You can't spend what you don't have. Unless you are smart like Mickey Loomis and borrow money from the future to pay for now. It's beautiful. Loomis uses it more as a credit card somehow.......I don't know how. I'm not an accountant.

Danno · 04-18-2014, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

So, the salary cap is like a debit card? You can't spend what you don't have. Unless you are smart like Mickey Loomis and borrow money from the future to pay for now. It's beautiful. Loomis uses it more as a credit card somehow.......I don't know how. I'm not an accountant.

Well just because we shove salary into future years doesn't mean we'll actually pay it.

We can cut, re-re-structure, or keep. It simply kicks the decision down the street.

04-12-2014, 01:44 PM	#11
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Living in the now proven to be sound strategy for New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Danno I think we purge yearly. Just look at all the vets we released this year. That may be the norm now. That's one way to keep pushing the cap each year. $ = must equal value. Even if you're doing well at your position, if you're not performing at a level that justifies your salary, you get released (or traded in Sproles case). That maximizes the talent under the cap. Sproles and Moore are examples of performing well, but not well enough to justify the compensation based on market value. Bunkley's salary was recently adjusted to reflect his market value base on his performance. This is the reason I would like to see the Saints take an inside linebacker in the first or second round of the draft. Both Lofton and Hawthorne are being paid more than what their performance justifies. This season both need to prove they are worth the money they're making. If one or both still underperform, having a talented ILB waiting on the sidelines would give the Saints leverage in negotiating a new salary for both of them. MarchingOn likes this.

04-12-2014, 02:26 PM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,646	Re: Living in the now proven to be sound strategy for New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Utah_Saint That's one way to keep pushing the cap each year. $ = must equal value. Even if you're doing well at your position, if you're not performing at a level that justifies your salary, you get released (or traded in Sproles case). That maximizes the talent under the cap. Sproles and Moore are examples of performing well, but not well enough to justify the compensation based on market value. Bunkley's salary was recently adjusted to reflect his market value base on his performance. This is the reason I would like to see the Saints take an inside linebacker in the first or second round of the draft. Both Lofton and Hawthorne are being paid more than what their performance justifies. This season both need to prove they are worth the money they're making. If one or both still underperform, having a talented ILB waiting on the sidelines would give the Saints leverage in negotiating a new salary for both of them. If CJ Mosley is there at 27, I'd sprint to the podium knocking over any and all men women and children in my way. 1. CJ Mosley ILB/OLB Alabama 2. Donte Moncrief WR Ole Miss 3. Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB Nebraska Oh my, no need to watch the rest of the draft, we'd just draft a few small school guys I never heard of. pumpkindriver and Rugby Saint II like this.

04-12-2014, 04:06 PM	#13
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Living in the now proven to be sound strategy for New Orleans Saints It all comes full circle in 2017. That will be the the beginning of the end 3 years and counting. lets go get us some rings baby. 2017 FA $2016 cap hit Drew Brees QB UFA NO TBD 35 $27,400,000 Marques Colston WR UFA NO TBD 30 $10,500,000 Ben Grubbs G UFA NO TBD 30 $10,300,000 Jahri Evans G UFA NO TBD 30 $10,200,000 Brodrick Bunkley DT UFA NO TBD 30 $6,112,500 David Hawthorne ILB, LB UFA NO TBD 28 $5,510,000 Kenny Vaccaro S UFA NO TBD 23 $2,998,772 Pierre Thomas RB UFA NO TBD 29 $2,765,000
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04-12-2014, 09:56 PM	#14
pumpkindriver 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Killeen, Tx. Posts: 932	Re: Living in the now proven to be sound strategy for New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Danno If CJ Mosley is there at 27, I'd sprint to the podium knocking over any and all men women and children in my way. 1. CJ Mosley ILB/OLB Alabama 2. Donte Moncrief WR Ole Miss 3. Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB Nebraska Oh my, no need to watch the rest of the draft, we'd just draft a few small school guys I never heard of. I don't know about #1 or #3 on your list but I sure would love to see Moncrief in a Saint's uniform.

04-18-2014, 05:21 PM	#15
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,733	Re: Living in the now proven to be sound strategy for New Orleans Saints So, the salary cap is like a debit card? You can't spend what you don't have. Unless you are smart like Mickey Loomis and borrow money from the future to pay for now. It's beautiful. Loomis uses it more as a credit card somehow.......I don't know how. I'm not an accountant.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,646	Re: Living in the now proven to be sound strategy for New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II So, the salary cap is like a debit card? You can't spend what you don't have. Unless you are smart like Mickey Loomis and borrow money from the future to pay for now. It's beautiful. Loomis uses it more as a credit card somehow.......I don't know how. I'm not an accountant. Well just because we shove salary into future years doesn't mean we'll actually pay it. We can cut, re-re-structure, or keep. It simply kicks the decision down the street.

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