Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks

WhoDat!656 · 01-13-2015, 01:34 PM

NEW ORLEANS – The NFL's final four – Seattle, New England, Green Bay and Indianapolis – highlight one incontrovertible reality: the New Orleans Saints have fallen from among the league's upper echelon.

I arrived at that conclusion long before this past weekend's divisional playoffs – or for that matter, the previous week's Wild Card round.

Watching the Saints stumble, bumble and even fumble (see the Week 1 and 16 matchups with Atlanta) their way to a 7-9 finish was all the evidence needed. The postseason has merely served to drive the point home.

Can the Saints bounce back? Of course. Are they close? Well, that's a question whose answer is far less obvious and, if answered properly, deserves more than a few words.

Therefore, before I delve into that one (and don't worry, I will), I'll first take a position-by-position look back at the good and bad of 2013, as well as what's needed moving forward.

Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks

|Mitch| · 01-13-2015, 01:45 PM

The question on the minds of so many New Orleanians: Is it time for the Saints to draft Brees' successor?

The short answer: No

I agree, but not much of the same reason as the author... My thinking is that we should shore up the O-Line first before we worry about Drew's successor

Danno · 01-13-2015, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I agree, but not much of the same reason as the author... My thinking is that we should shore up the O-Line first before we worry about Drew's successor

Yep, shoring up the O-line helps any and every QB. Drew needs interior protection more so than most. OG's and OC's aren't nearly as expensive as OT's.

We don't need to draft a successor yet, and probably not even next year.

You don't need 3 years to groom QB's today. Thats a myth. Most of the best QB's today started in year 1 or year 2.

Beastmode · 01-13-2015, 04:11 PM

If we would have let some of our weapons go and concentrated on the OL we would not be having this discussion IMO. Jimmy is a great TE but not worth it. There was more value in protecting Brees and getting him role players. Watching the Pats and Manning this season...just seems like they have forever to sit back there for the most part. Brees has almost no time and his targets main targets have dropped a lot of balls this year. Two of his main targets are in the top 15 in drops.

Mr.Riaton · 01-13-2015, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

If we would have let some of our weapons go and concentrated on the OL we would not be having this discussion IMO. Jimmy is a great TE but not worth it. There was more value in protecting Brees and getting him role players. Watching the Pats and Manning this season...just seems like they have forever to sit back there for the most part. Brees has almost no time and his targets main targets have dropped a lot of balls this year. Two of his main targets are in the top 15 in drops.

Well said. That's why I don't understand the desire of some for another WR. I like what I saw in what we have and that's considering Brees not at his best due to what I believe is O line not giving him enough time. Get Brees comfortable again and watch our receiver corps explode. I like Graham and I don't hate that the Saints gave him that contract,but before he even got it,I was ok with the team letting him go in hopes that the money would have been spent upgrading the O line. I think Hill and Watson would have been fine.

dizzle88 · 01-13-2015, 04:30 PM

Ryan Griffin

ScottF · 01-13-2015, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Ryan Griffin

I think we gave him every opportunity, but he still couldn't beat out McCown. And 31 other teams looked and passed.
He is more of Palko than a Delhomme

hagan714 · 01-13-2015, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Ryan Griffin

not sold on him as a starter. so far he has not shown much but a strong arm.

this years draft i really like one QB that is just like Drew. Pocket Passer. If there is to be a QB picked this guy gets my vote.

Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State 6-5 514 4.76

yep the QB that threw all the passes to Cook. His OL was not that good this year and it really effected his productivity. talk about an arm and talk about having touch on passes which Ryan has very little of. Drew is the perfect mentor for this kid.

on day three i can live with this pick

Mr.Riaton · 01-13-2015, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

not sold on him as a starter. so far he has not shown much but a strong arm.

this years draft i really like one QB that is just like Drew. Pocket Passer. If there is to be a QB picked this guy gets my vote.

Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State 6-5 514 4.76

yep the QB that threw all the passes to Cook. His OL was not that good this year and it really effected his productivity. talk about an arm and talk about having touch on passes which Ryan has very little of. Drew is the perfect mentor for this kid.

on day three i can live with this pick

Just went watch a few clips on him and I'm impressed. He definitely has an arm on him.

hagan714 · 01-13-2015, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Just went watch a few clips on him and I'm impressed. He definitely has an arm on him.

love the touch on the passes. he has a cannon for an arm but knows when to take some steam off the ball and drop it in.

like Drew he is not much of a runner and needs a pocket.

01-13-2015, 01:34 PM	#1
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01-13-2015, 01:45 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks The question on the minds of so many New Orleanians: Is it time for the Saints to draft Brees' successor? The short answer: No I agree, but not much of the same reason as the author... My thinking is that we should shore up the O-Line first before we worry about Drew's successor MatthewT and RailBoss like this.

01-13-2015, 02:57 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,653	Re: Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I agree, but not much of the same reason as the author... My thinking is that we should shore up the O-Line first before we worry about Drew's successor Yep, shoring up the O-line helps any and every QB. Drew needs interior protection more so than most. OG's and OC's aren't nearly as expensive as OT's. We don't need to draft a successor yet, and probably not even next year. You don't need 3 years to groom QB's today. Thats a myth. Most of the best QB's today started in year 1 or year 2. ScottF, saintsfan1976, QBREES9 and 2 others like this.

01-13-2015, 04:11 PM	#4
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks If we would have let some of our weapons go and concentrated on the OL we would not be having this discussion IMO. Jimmy is a great TE but not worth it. There was more value in protecting Brees and getting him role players. Watching the Pats and Manning this season...just seems like they have forever to sit back there for the most part. Brees has almost no time and his targets main targets have dropped a lot of balls this year. Two of his main targets are in the top 15 in drops. Mr.Riaton likes this.
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01-13-2015, 05:15 PM	#5
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,254	Re: Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks Originally Posted by Beastmode If we would have let some of our weapons go and concentrated on the OL we would not be having this discussion IMO. Jimmy is a great TE but not worth it. There was more value in protecting Brees and getting him role players. Watching the Pats and Manning this season...just seems like they have forever to sit back there for the most part. Brees has almost no time and his targets main targets have dropped a lot of balls this year. Two of his main targets are in the top 15 in drops. Well said. That's why I don't understand the desire of some for another WR. I like what I saw in what we have and that's considering Brees not at his best due to what I believe is O line not giving him enough time. Get Brees comfortable again and watch our receiver corps explode. I like Graham and I don't hate that the Saints gave him that contract,but before he even got it,I was ok with the team letting him go in hopes that the money would have been spent upgrading the O line. I think Hill and Watson would have been fine.

01-13-2015, 04:30 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks Ryan Griffin

01-13-2015, 05:56 PM	#7
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks Originally Posted by dizzle88 Ryan Griffin I think we gave him every opportunity, but he still couldn't beat out McCown. And 31 other teams looked and passed. He is more of Palko than a Delhomme RailBoss and brees84 like this.

01-13-2015, 08:03 PM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks Originally Posted by dizzle88 Ryan Griffin not sold on him as a starter. so far he has not shown much but a strong arm. this years draft i really like one QB that is just like Drew. Pocket Passer. If there is to be a QB picked this guy gets my vote. Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State 6-5 514 4.76 yep the QB that threw all the passes to Cook. His OL was not that good this year and it really effected his productivity. talk about an arm and talk about having touch on passes which Ryan has very little of. Drew is the perfect mentor for this kid. on day three i can live with this pick MarchingOn likes this.
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01-13-2015, 09:49 PM	#9
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,254	Re: Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks Originally Posted by hagan714 not sold on him as a starter. so far he has not shown much but a strong arm. this years draft i really like one QB that is just like Drew. Pocket Passer. If there is to be a QB picked this guy gets my vote. Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State 6-5 514 4.76 yep the QB that threw all the passes to Cook. His OL was not that good this year and it really effected his productivity. talk about an arm and talk about having touch on passes which Ryan has very little of. Drew is the perfect mentor for this kid. on day three i can live with this pick Just went watch a few clips on him and I'm impressed. He definitely has an arm on him. hagan714 likes this.

01-13-2015, 11:14 PM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints offseason crystal ball: quarterbacks Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Just went watch a few clips on him and I'm impressed. He definitely has an arm on him. love the touch on the passes. he has a cannon for an arm but knows when to take some steam off the ball and drop it in. like Drew he is not much of a runner and needs a pocket. Mr.Riaton likes this.

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