Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 

If this happens it will show the fans and the league that the Saints are serious about winning.

So why does that matter to the Saints, you ask? Quite simply, it matters because now you have two of the very top defensive assistants / minds in the entire NFL, now seeking a new landing spot.

And as HORRID as the New Orleans Saints defense performed under Rob Ryan last year, bringing in either (or both) former 49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio and secondary coach Ed Donatell would be a HUGE upgrade for the Saints.

Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?

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C'mon Mickey and Sean; get this deal done now. Otherwise they'll probably wind up in the NFC south anyway.

As far as RR, using a Joe Vitt analogy; drop him "like 3rd period French".

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I don't see that happening. Like it or not Rob's the guy next season.

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They are strong candidates for Washington job. Unfortunately...

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And that's a damn shame :argue: .

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We are in evaluating process. lol

Like Mickey and Sean were in Oakland this season and they don't know WTF is going on here.

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Rob isn't the problem. The positional coaches are a large part of the problem.

I would love to get Vic in here but if he has the same positional coaches I bet we don't improve much. That being said if we go into next season with the same position coaches on defense Ill expect another 8-8 type performance.

Payton and Mickey said there would be major changes... but what's changed? Every ****ty defensive position coach is still hanging around.

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They would definitely have to go wide.

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The players have already said that they love RR and don't want to play for anyone else. We wouldn't want to disappoint them,they might turn on Sean and under perform next season...

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And will land there. You know why? Because Washington went out and nabbed Scott McCloughan. The guy who helped build the whiners rosters.

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Funny...
After the 2013 season, I heard many being worried that Ryan could be offered a HC position.

Now it's off with everyone's heads, and let's get these group of coaches.

Coaches don't make plays. Coaches don't cover the field sideline to sideline.

If anyone thinks Fangio would come in and make Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith, and NaVorro Bowman out of Jr. Galette, Curtis Lofton, and Parys haralson, you've got another thing coming. The Saints do not have the talent on defense, and last year they didn't have the brains either.

Of all the players on the Saints defense, there is Keenan Lewis, then everyone else. And aside from Vaccaro (jury still out) and Jordan (can't do it alone), everyone else is nothing more than a journeyman in the NFL.

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+1. Scott is among the best at evaluating "talent". He will get the train back on the track up in D.C.

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Does this guy just pull **** out of the air or out of his ***?!?

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if it is the assistants then why were we successful rob's first year?

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Won't happen, we prefer ****ty d-cords that can't get it done. Another frigan season of ****ing rob ryan, we are **** next year keeping that log of ****. Should hve never hired him, biggest frigan moronic decision ever. Hated the hiring when it happened, hate it more we are keeping him. Either or both of these guys would be frigan fantastic, wont happen, and if SP doesn't get his head out of his ass he will be gone eventually too.

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Did you hate it when we had the 4th best defense 2 seasons ago? Or were you cheering your ass off like the rest of us?! :rolleyes:

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outside of last season he has always produced ****, absolute ****. he's ****

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Of course I did, and I ate the crow for it, but now looks like I was right. one year wonder. We were pathetic, I mean pathetic last year as a defense. Whether you want to hear it or not, outside of his first season here he has never really been successful, boss. I wish he had been. Never mind eating the crow when it is to the teams benefit, but he sucks

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well, "boss" :rolleyes: maybe you could do better? :rofl:

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Of course not, but that has nothing to with him failing. That type of silly idea almost makes it as if we can't complain at all. I am not skilled to be a medical doctor either, but if my doctor keeps from making me better I am not going to keep going back to him.

Hey, if he's our d-cord next season I am hoping I eat tons of crow and I will be his biggest supporter, but if we blow ass again I am going to be pissed.

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nothing personal it is just business

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I was ok with giving RR another year,but this is to good to pass up. It doesn't matter if the D has enough talent or not,this is an absolute upgrade. IF Sean gets Vic, he better give that man whatever he wants.

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Many of the current Saints coaches have been in place for YEARS with the same results.

And this team HAS talent. 2013 was no fluke. Even without everyone the team lost this still should have been a top defense. While I'll say it was partly due to injury, it looked like the defense was never ready for the season.

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Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove, but once that wore off and the D was thought of as "good" they collapsed because the basic coaching fundamentals aren't there.

More importantly, and apparently what you don't get; we had 'player-coaches' last year with all of the vets. Even when the vets like Greer, Smith, Vilma and Harper weren't on the field they were coaching the players. We needed the veteran leadership so much because there is no coaching coming from the people under Ryan.

Seems obvious to me...

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Who's to say that won't happen again next season now that everyone thinks they suck again.

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If a defense performs only when people think they suck then that's pretty f**kin pathetic. That right there shows that there's a problem and needs to be fixed. We've had new talent from FA and the draft brought in to help this D every year. Either we have the worst luck in the world when it comes to evaluating talent or we need and upgrade on some coaches on our staff. I find it very hard to believe we suck that bad year after year on drafting defensive talent.

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Johnathan Casillas starting tonight on a very good Patriots defense.

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I don't know man, defense seems more like an attitude than anything. All the teams I watch that are good play with non-stop motors. IDT it is a fundamentals issue as much as an issue of passion. We had it last season, none this season. We did not need Harper for anything. Watched the dude get ran by like his old slow ass was standing still against Seahawks. Greer was a huge loss

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I think RR nailed it though, dudes drank the cool aid. You can tell, we were 6-8 and JG was running his mouth and Lewis was talking about how we were going to give the Falcons their funeral. I mean we blew monkey poop and dudes were still talking ****. We just expected to win, so Chris, it is possible.

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Well if the players like him that settles it! They run the show don't they? Oh wait if that's true what is the coaching staff's purpose? Oh yes, I forgot, to cater to the "Real" owners, the PLAYERS!!! The inmates run this asylum!!! LOL

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When you wish upon a star...........

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This isn't college, or a prison, so 'buy-in' from the players is very important.

Think about this for a second; Sean Payton is considered one of the top 3 paid coaches, but his salary is less than what Bunkley got paid this year...

As an investment is it more important that my 5mil per year coach is happy or my 20mil per year QB?

Not saying the players should run the team, but player 'buy-in' is very important.

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I hate to say it, but I agree.

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Oh, wait! They did that this year.

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It couldn't hurt our rep to fire RR and bring in someone else.

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The same results as last season? Year after year? You sure about that?

Really? Where?

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I'd have to agree that we have a lot of talent on defense. They just totally underperformed this year.

Jordan
Galette
Hicks
Lofton
Lewis
Vaccaro
Byrd
Jenkins
Bush

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So far Sean hasn't made enough changes with regards to the defensive coaches. When will that happen?

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This week

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And I'd have to disagree...

I did say Lewis, Jordan, with Vaccaro as "jury still out"

I'll give you Byrd same as Vaccaro, "jury still out", since he had one good game then looked bad before he got hurt, but he has a history, although I didn't follow the Bills, so I don't know.

But the rest, I just don't see true talent.