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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre Canton was just passionate about his Love for the Saints who forgot to maintain his civility because he was baited... He's a good guy... and EVERYONE on this board has been dead wrong about something... Whatever ...

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Old 05-03-2015, 04:29 AM   #61
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Canton was just passionate about his Love for the Saints who forgot to maintain his civility because he was baited...

He's a good guy...

and EVERYONE on this board has been dead wrong about something...
Whatever happened to Strato and TheOak whilst we are on the subject?
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:45 AM   #62
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

So the way the trade worked out to this point...

Saints got All-Pro Center Max Unger and drafted LB Stephone Anthony with the No.31 selection.

Seattle got All-Pro Tight End Jimmy Graham and the Saints' R4 #112 pick.

Seattle then traded pick R4 #112, along with picks R3 #95, R5 #167 & R6 #181 for Washington's R3 #69; Seahawks used the R3 #69 pick to select WR Tyler Lockett.

And Washington used our original pick R4 #112 to select G Arie Kouandjio.

With the other picks, Washington selected RB Matt Jones with R3 #95 and SS Kyshoen Jarrett with pick R6 #181 (originally a Jets pick that Seattle got in the Percy Harvin trade).

Ironically, Washington traded the R5 #167 pick to...

...the New Orleans Saints, who selected DB Damian Swann...

Washington used the Saints 2015 R6 #187 pick to select WR Evan Spencer and also got the Saints 2016 R6 pick...

Got all that? Good.

Still, I'd say that's a great deal for New Orleans.

And Jimmy Graham?

The Seahawks are taking the All-Pro Outstanding Receiver at Tight End and making him...

...a Blocker.

Cable says Graham is committed to learning to block | ProFootballTalk

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Old 05-03-2015, 08:32 AM   #63
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

Key will be this.

Will Jimmy Graham play a full 16 game season not limited by injuries? Ironically something he has not done yet. 13 games as a starter was an all time high for him. I think this was main reason in the trade. saints gambled on his health. I for one will always wonder what kind of numbers he could put up if he did get in a full 16 games with just minor injuries.

Stephone Anthony ?
- was he a reach? sure
-Upside pick? oh yeah no doubt. better risk than SJB in round 2
-would he have been there at 44? highly unlikely. NE at 33 was not that far fetched and many teams inbetween
-Best 34 ILB in the draft? time will tell

Perryman RD2 pick 48 chargers 34 defense

so we will see which is good

Houston jumping us in round 2 made me think they had a good feeling that McKinney may have been our pick in round 2.

Hau'oli Kikaha at 44 IMO he was a bit more of a reach than Anthony. This pick concerns me way more than Anthony pick. This was a big time gamble. injury concerns for me are high

but at 44 both Perryman and Kendricks were on the board.

so here is were i wonder if we may have missed the boat completely not at 31 when talking about Perryman as a pick

For me it was Jake Fisher still on the board at 44

so when figuring a value of the trade i have to include the effect it had on pick 44 big time.

Kendricks RD2 pick 13 vikes 43 defense
Paul Dawson RD3 pick 35 Bengals

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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

Originally Posted by nola_swammi View Post
I have to ask why not Curtis Lofton since everyone thought he sucked if he can't beat his production what does that say about Anthony just sayin But i'll go Along with your Chris Borland. Post A Sticky Thread It so its up there for all



But let me be Clear I hope the guy is better than Ray Lewis In Prime .I just don't see him Ever being any better than what we had Cheaper Yeah but Better No
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

Looking at the box score Lofton looks great,its the reason he was a fantasy go to for me. Racked up tackles,the fact so many were after the team had gain positive yardage made no difference. Id be happy if Anthony stats are worse so long as he is making the production downfield.


Lofton was terrible in coverage and missed his fair share of tackles.
IMO the 3-4 doesnt suit him
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

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Key will be this...Best 34 ILB in the draft? time will tell

Perryman RD2 pick 48 chargers 34 defense

Hau'oli Kikaha at 44 IMO he was a bit more of a reach than Anthony. This pick concerns me way more than Anthony pick. This was a big time gamble. injury concerns for me are high

but at 44 both Perryman and Kendricks were on the board.

so here is were i wonder if we may have missed the boat completely not at 31 when talking about Perryman as a pick

For me it was Jake Fisher still on the board at 44

Kendricks RD2 pick 13 vikes 43 defense
Paul Dawson RD3 pick 35 Bengals
Hagan...

You're right on that we'll have to see, but based on existing film, interview and workouts Stephone Anthony blew Kendricks, Perryman away...

Jake Fisher? We took Peat and had Armstead and Strief under contract...

Peat is the better talent and is only 21 years of age as well...

The need to select Hau'oli Kikaha or another true 34 OLB was at critical mass in this draft...

If anything, I could argue we should have moved up to get Beasley and taken Fisher in the second round, but even you as well as paid experts and most of the NFL fanbase expected Fisher to go in the first round...

Know I'm usually beating up Sean Mickey for their terrible drafts, but with Ireland in there, I really like what's transpired...

Can't wait to see what the competition does for the OT position...

My best case scenario, Peat beats out Armstead who beats out Strief; Peat at the LT position, Armstead at the RT position and Strief is the best reserve in the league and they all get a ring this year...

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Old 05-03-2015, 11:23 AM   #67
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

Originally Posted by saintshrimp View Post
I have to ask why not Curtis Lofton since everyone thought he sucked if he can't beat his production what does that say about Anthony just sayin But i'll go Along with your Chris Borland. Post A Sticky Thread It so its up there for all



But let me be Clear I hope the guy is better than Ray Lewis In Prime .I just don't see him Ever being any better than what we had Cheaper Yeah but Better No
If you expecting a rookie to come out playing like a hall of famer in his prime you going to be disappointed. Chris Borland was a rookie with those stats.

Curtis Lofton was an exceptional linebacker filling the gaps on run plays but was a liability in coverage

I expect in time his production will exceed over Lofton in coming years but not his rookie year. He is going to get majority of the snaps but he will share with Ellderbe or Hawthorne til the coaches can rely and trust he know his playbook
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

Those 2 for a beat up TE who disappeared after his injury? I'll take it. Does not hurt that we freed up 10 million in cap space too. You can add Spillers and Browner to this deal too. No way we could of signed them without this trade.
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

Originally Posted by saintshrimp View Post
I have to ask why not Curtis Lofton since everyone thought he sucked if he can't beat his production what does that say about Anthony just sayin But i'll go Along with your Chris Borland. Post A Sticky Thread It so its up there for all



But let me be Clear I hope the guy is better than Ray Lewis In Prime .I just don't see him Ever being any better than what we had Cheaper Yeah but Better No
How about we go off of PFF ratings?

If he ends the season at +4 or better, compared to Lofton's -16 that's a major improvement.
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

I'm pretty sure that none of us need stats to determine whether or not he's a successful pick.
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