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This may be interesting. Maybe not, but I think it will...

Here's the deal. I've got each position listed both on offense and defense. Some positions are listed as a group, rather than being broken down individually.

Let's grade each one on a scale from 1 to 10. With 10 being the highest. A 5 rating would mean the position is only adequete. Anything under 5 would be less than adequete and anything over 5 would be above average. I think we're clear on the grading system?

I'll stick my neck on the chopping-block first!

Offense:
QB-7
WR-8
OG-6
OT-3
C-7
TE-5
RB-8
FB-6

Defense:
MLB-5
SLB-5
WLB-5
DE-9
DT-5
CB-6
FS-5
SS-4

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Offense:
QB:8
WR:9
OG:4, 8 when Bently plays here
OT:3
C:4
TE:5, -18 if blocking for Duece on third down.
RB:9.6
FB:8

Defense:
MLB:6, I like Watson
SLB:4
WLB:5
DE:9
DT:4
CB:6
FS:2 Tesucky
SS:6, My whole family agree that Jay actually isn\'t that bad in SS

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Good idea...

Offense:
QB-7
WR-8
OG-8
OT-4
C-7
TE-6
RB-9
FB-7

Defense:
MLB-6
SLB-6
WLB-6
DE-10
DT-5
CB-6
FS-4
SS-4

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Offense:
QB-7 (Not great, not horrible)
WR-7 (Solid, but depth is a concern)
OG-5 (Fine but not impressive)
OT-2 (Terrible)
C-7 (Good, will be great)
TE-6 (Off and on)
RB-8 (Solid, but could improve even without a personel change)
FB-7 (Good)

Defense:
MLB-5 (Good and will improve)
SLB-1 (Horrible, not even a third stringer here)
WLB-2 (Poor)
DE-10 (Excellent)
DT-5 (Mediocre, but serviceable)
CB-7 (Can get the job done)
FS-6 (Can get the job done, but depth is an issue)
SS-5 (Could be higher than this if Bellamy ages well)

Special Teams
KR-5 (Could be stronger with a better supporting cast)
PR-4 (Too gun shy this year, as with last year)
K-7 (Good but aging)
P-9 (Excellent)

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Offense:
QB -- 6.5 (but really his rating from game to game swings from a 2-9)
WR-8
OG-5
OT-3
C-7
TE-4 (based on their production last year)
RB-8
FB-6

Defense:
MLB-5
SLB-5
WLB-5
DE-9
DT-5
CB-5
FS-5
SS-4

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.500

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Based on the whole unit, not just the starter?
Offense:
QB -5 I rate Brooks a 7, but we have no one behind him
WR-9 If Joe leaves, I\'d give it a 7.
OG-7 No superstars, but I think we have 17 lineman who can also play guard
OT-5 Gandy is OK, but declining. Riley is the Grady Jackson of RT\'s, part time production.
C-9 We also have 17 linemen who have played center. Bentley will be an all-pro soon.
TE-6 They had an off year, again. But they\'re OK.
RB-7 McAllister is a 9, when fit. Stecker is a solid #2, but we have no #3.
FB-8 This kid looks good, and Conwell and Hall can both play FB.

Defense:
MLB-6 Watson should be even better in 2005. Ruff a serviceable back-up.
SLB-4 If the last 4 games were for real, I\'d give it a 6, but Hodge/Alen is pretty weak.
WLB-4 We have a glut of WLB\'s. Good depth, but no standouts. Colby
DE-10 We\'re loaded
DT-5 We\'re not loaded. Young needs a 2-gapper next to him
CB-7 If Brown continues to improve it could be an 8. Craft,Thomas,Ambrose provide good depth.
FS-5 Tebucky is OK, but we could do better. No depth at all.
SS-5 Bellamy is decent, but Mitchell should push him.

Well it appears to me the main areas of weakness are SLB, WLB, RT, FS, SS, DT, QB (back-up).

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Kool, doesn\'t this mean so-so? If so, then doesn\'t that mean average? And if so how does so-so and average equal above average, which 7 would be? Just trying to understand. If you saw an average looking chic, you would rate her a 7? Hhhhmmm........... ;)

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Whooop!!! There it is!! :D

[Edited on 22/2/2005 by Saint_LB]

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Well it did last 6 Reply\'s before it happened.
Baby steps.

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I guess you mean this turning into an AB thread...which wasn\'t what I meant. I meant that .500 kinda said it all. However, your interpretation is better, so I will change it to meaning that...is that allowable? :question:

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Whodi, you\'re alive? I was beginning to worry. I\'m going with 7, parenthetical comments aside.

T-R, you don\'t think any more can be said about the units than their W/L record? How do scouts\' evaluate players? Is it impossible for coaches to say that this guy or that guy really contributed? When asked, \"how did Deuce play today?\", the only answer should be \"he lost\" or \"he won\"?

Finally, this isn\'t baseball, wins and losses do not accrue to the QB - and it doesn\'t even make sense in baseball.

Ooooo...

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Oops, I quoted the wrong post. My bad.

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7-9, 9-7, 8-8, and 8-8 is about .500 as ya can get

the offense has ranked 8,18,10,16

the defense 19, 28. 18, 32

the first 6 cumulative scores here for offense averaged 6.4

the first 6 defense averaged 5.4

for all the talent and yet unfulfilled potential that might reasonable for offense. lemme try-
qb 5 mr. erratic with no backup
wr 7 getting old joe and a buncha potential
og 7 good but not great with some depth
c 7 bentley will be all pro but not yet, depth
ot 3 one aging deteriorating skills guy, riley gone, big hole
te 4 yeah, ANOTHER off year and we still are hoping
rb 8 healthy and back to par for deuce is a 9-10
fb 6 looks good with upside to grow into

that\'s a 5.9 avg for me, in the pack, about right for a 16th ranked

mlb- 5 is a stretch to me for a talented kid that often got lost, his smarts n potential thing i guess. i\'d like him more outside.
slb- 2 hodge is likely gone, allen has the dummy rap. HELP!
wlb- 2 the hope of a 7th rounder! bodies here is all
de- 9 only prob is too much of a good thing eating cap space
dt- 3 how can this be a 5 when we have only one average guy with a motor and some other big bodies stuck there?
cb- 4 mac is solid but fakhir is far from proven. why was it ambrose was signed and thomas resigned?
fs- 3 tebuck is a historic bad trade. play might approach 5 but he is getting top fs pay. could be cut for his fat cap space then it is a 1 hole
ss- 4 at best, bellamy aging, why couldnt mitchell unseat him?

4 average for D there. more accurate for the worst in the league imo. playing at a much better level for 4 weeks still couldnt pull them out of the gutter in almost every major defensive category. they might have beat a vickless-crumplerless falcons but it is the same unit that was embarrased by the friggin arizona cardinals 34-10.

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LKelley67-

You are basing your grades on how the team/players did LAST year.

But, I think we were all grading the players and not really looking that much at last year.

And if you\'re looking at results from last year, how can you grade Decue an 8? We had the 27th ranked rushing attack in the league. And Decue certainly didn\'t finish anywhere close to the top runningbacks in the league LAST year.

It seems to me if you\'re going to go by last year\'s results, Deuce would have to be a 5!

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Good call Gator.

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So basically with Brooks and Bouman, QB is considered one of the stronger parts of the team for ya. Gotcha.

Oh. and my job sent me to this resort in Phoenix for a conference. Got back last night. Thanks for missing me. ;)

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no, not last year, look at the comments (hodge, riley gone, etc) i was just trying to bring perspective in scores that no matter how much improvement was had in the last 4 games this still is a far below average unit. as far as what will be i would lower de in anticipation of howard gone.

in comparing our defensive scores you only count the strong safety position as less than average and that only a little. so with howard and hodge gone as things now stand you think this is an adequate unit? the year to year trend with this group certainly isnt upward, it was 11th in the league in 2000 with all those non-haz slow and unathletic types.

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Good point. 5. (All 5 are for Brooks, though.)

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...well, exactly what are you \"grading\" them against?
Based on what?

..even if it is one of those \"on a scale of 1 to 10\', ten being whatever, what is that \"whatever\" being graded against?

[Edited on 23/2/2005 by Tobias-Reiper]

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kool, do ya realize only you n i rate this lb group below average? (<15pts) maybe we dont need to draft or sign any.
bockwoldt-watson-allen to super bowl baby.

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Good question. I assumed relative to other units at that position on other teams and historical teams - roughly your judgement of their goodness against some standard that would allow that judgement.

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QB-7
RB-8
WR-8
TE-5
OT-2
OG-4
C-8

DE-8
DT-5
OLB-3
MLB-5
CB-6
SS-5
FS-4

For Fun

Punter-9.5(best rating)
kicker-6


More fun

Head coach-7
OC-?
DC-1
ST-8

GM-2

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QB-4
RB-9
FB-6
WR-7
TE-5
OT-4
G-6
C-7.5
DE-9
DT-4
MLB-6
OLB-3
CB-4
FS-4
SS-3
K-5
P-8