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jeanpierre 09-04-2017 03:24 PM

Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 

vpheughan 09-04-2017 03:26 PM

Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Thank you Mr. Obvious Spock!

|Mitch| 09-04-2017 03:31 PM

Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Nope; I think we should quit looking for the next quarterback and hope something miraculous happens... :rolleyes:

Danno 09-04-2017 04:03 PM

Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
How many elite QB's in the game today were picked after round 1?

|Mitch| 09-04-2017 04:12 PM

Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 762491)
Simply not true - Look at some of the league's top rated passers last season...

Tom Brady - 2000 NFL Draft Round 6, Pick 199 (Note: He's won a few Superbowls, the last one has him considered the GOAT now)

Dak Prescott - 2016 NFL Draft, Round 4, Pick 135 (Note: Taken after QBs Jared Goff (No.1 pick), Carson Wentz (No. 2 pick), and Paxton Lynch (No. 26 pick) - all in the first round)

Aaron Rodgers - 2005 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 24 (Note: SF took QB Alex Smith with the top pick of the draft)

Drew Brees - 2001 NFL Draft, Round 2, Pick 32 (Note: SD let him depart via FA, opted for Phillip Rivers 2004 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 4)

Kirk Cousins - 2012 NFL Draft, Round 4, Pick 102 (Note: His own team, the Shanahan Redskins, traded the farm to move up and take Robert Griffin No. 2 overall in same draft)

Derek Carr - 2014 NFL Draft, Round 2, Pick 36 (Note: Taken after QBs Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, and Tedy Bridgewater - all in the first round)

and the league's top rated passer last season? You're right, he was a high pick...

Matt "Matty Ice" Ryan - 2008 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 3 (Note: He just delivered one of the all-time chokes in Sporting History)

And should I bring up UDFA QB Kurt Warner, bagging groceries at one point between College and NFL, took two different franchises to a Superbowl?

But, I will mention that SF QB Joe Montana (3X SuperBowl MVP, 4X Champ) was the last pick taken in the third round of the 1979 draft...


Danno 09-04-2017 04:19 PM

Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
I said elite.

only 5 of the top 20 last year were drafted out of the 1st round, and a few were high 2nd rounders like Brees and Carr.

Prescott isn't exactly elite, however if it weren't for the DUI he would have likely been a 1st rounder, or high 2nd.

jeanpierre 09-04-2017 04:44 PM

Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 762527)
I said elite.

only 5 of the top 20 last year were drafted out of the 1st round, and a few were high 2nd rounders like Brees and Carr.

Prescott isn't exactly elite, however if it weren't for the DUI he would have likely been a 1st rounder, or high 2nd.

You're absolutely right, Prescott isn't exactly elite: but his success illustrates that there are many approaches to setting the table for a QB to be successful...

For Brees, he was good, not elite, till he joined forces with Sean Payton in New Orleans as a non-retained Free Agent; so in Brees' case, his success was due in large part to the coaching...

As the same could be said for Tom Brady; he joined forces with Bill Belichick, the standard in NFL coaching and personnel management today...

While I'd agree the odds are much greater for success taking a QB in the first round that has greater physical skills...

I think it's the team, the existing personnel, and most of all, the coaching that plays a larger role in that QB's success...

New Orleans, with Sean Payton & Co., doesn't need a Top 15 Quarterback to be successful (which is why I was so relieved KC saved Payton from the Mahomes gaffe)...

It'd be nice, but not necessary; and until recent draft success by the Saints with Ireland in-house, I was betting the next QB was going to be found in the UDFA pile...

NOLA54 09-05-2017 12:31 PM

Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
I think we still have time to clone Drew.

Rugby Saint II 09-05-2017 01:02 PM

Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
:popcorn:

Euphoria 09-05-2017 01:28 PM

Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
His name is Hill.


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