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SFIAH got me thinking with his post...
He makes a pretty convincing case for reaching for this guy. IF he's everything most scouts say about him.
If you were sure you were gonna get the next Lawrence Taylor, would you trade #16 and #40 to get him? Or our #16 and Darren Howard?

Again, IF you were absolutely positive you were going to get the next LT.

Would you?

[Edited on 7/4/2005 by Danno]

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you can NEVER be sure. it isn\'t my ideal option but i wouldn\'t be disappointed if they did. i\'d be happy for if he played like a james farrior-keith brookings-derrick brooks!

i think two 2nd round LBs are capable of upgrading over allen and bockwoldt tho too.

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I couldn\'t find the other post that I was putting scouting reports on...

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I say if he makes it out of the top 3, we need to grab him. Send our first and 2nd and lets grab him. If he\'s there @ pick 7, we need to pull the trigger

#7 is worth 1,500 points
#16 is a 1,000 and 2nd rd. #8 is worth 500, dead even trade.

Then we trade howard for a pick or 2 and it will balance out. IF he makes it out of top 3, we HAVE to give our defense a chance to excel. He is our chance

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Isn\'t there a concern about salary if we draft him TOO high? I would love to get the Titans #6 and grab him there.

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I think it\'s befuddling if they aren\'t even considering trading up for him. I think if he drops past 3 we have to make a play for him.

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TN is more doable than MIN cuz they want to move down n get more picks. they might even give 100pts of value, or throw them hodge too LOL

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If we don\'t move up to get him, I want to some how get either:

Burnett, davis and castillo

or

Burnett, Ruud, Castillo

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No. Know why? B/c EVERY YEAR about this time, you hear about how this player or that player is going to be the best blank to come out of the draft in the last four or five years. Guess what, they almost never are.

I guess your assumption is that you\'re absolutely positive that this guy is LT. If so, would I trade two firsts for him (DH and #16)? Sure, that\'s what a franchise player would call for, right? Two firsts for Sully, why not two firsts for a Pro Bowler at LB?

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Uhh No, thats why I asked the question with the big IF\'s, and highlighted the big IF\'s. And even repeated the IF qualifier, just in case someone didn\'t really read the post well enough. ;)

But you answered my question though. I would too.

IF I was sure he was the next LT

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Soooo, you actually think Sully was worth 2 firsts? ;)

Hmmm. Interesting. (keep away from that edit button WD)

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I agree with Dat because they usually arent as good as there suppose to be. I say get one in 2nd or 3rd and get a DT with the 1st. Our LB\'s prob would\'nt be so bad if the line could stop the run. (its hard to make the tackle running in coverage across the field and the RB runs by you full speed, then they start looking in on the run and they bust a big pass on us). We need a good DT even if JS does do good because, BY is kinda small to be a run stuffing every down type DT.

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He is only a reach if he is picked at #1 or #2 overall. he is dat good

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below 6 or 7 is a fall for him imo.

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he is very much worth it. I watch Texas football almost as much as I do the Saints (actually more because I don\'t have directtv anymore), and DJ is amazing. The way he tackles, OR FORCES FUMBLES! He will probably go very high, a can\'t miss in a thin draft for those.

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GT. Unfortunately we are talking about a Saints Coaching and Scouting Staff that has been in place for the last 5 years and a FO that Loomis has run for the last 3.

See those guys think that everything is fine and that the team, especially the defense, just needs a little tweak. They are still basking in the glow of the season ending 4 game winning streak and ALMOST (oh so close!) making the playoffs.

While I think that they addressed the biggest offensive need in signing Mayberry and ditching Riley, and that they upgraded the safety spot by ditching Tebucky and signing Smith, that in the end they are both tweaks.

But the LB core needs some fire. And they have barely touched it this offseason. Pierce wouldn\'t talk to them. Hartwell went to the hated Falcons
(with Ron Mexico, herpes spreader! :D). Jamie Sharper is still out there.

But as I open this thread (indirectly I guess) we need someone with skills so exceptional that they can overcome the rest of the mess.

I doubt that the Saints FO, coaching, and scouting staffs see it that way.

Pity for them.

SFIAH

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As the Front Office goes, so goes the mentailty of the so called \"Sunshiners\", who also think we are only one or two players away from the playoffs. In that case, that would make an even more compelling arguement to pick DJ up. They already missed out on DJ Williams and Michael Boulware last year from not being aggressive enough. It\'s pretty obvious that both of them will do very well in the NFL. Now we have a shot at someone who\'s even more highly touted than they were??? Come on man...

I actually want DJ more than I want C-Wood, but I know that this team is always wary of draft picks, so I\'m really not expecting DJ to come here. But I can\'t understand if they aren\'t even looking at the possibility.

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I think some are missing his point.

This team has enough talent to win if it had a good coaching staff. But we don\'t. The only way this team is going to win is to acquire as much EXCEPTIONAL talent as it can. Thats the only way I see us overcoming the coaching deficit.

A player like Derrick Johnson fits that criteria, IF he\'s as awesome as most every expert states.

Our front office has stated they don\'t think much of him, which is the most transparent smokescreen I\'ve ever seen.
They want him bad. Otherwise they\'d hype him, insuring he gets selected before someone they really want.

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Uh Danno.... where\'d I go wrong?

:)

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Uhh, can\'t help you there bud ;)
Perhaps councelling would help?
JK,

I think I just misread your post, and you mine. I\'m not saying he IS the next LT. I\'m saying IF he is, would you trade up to say #3 to try and get him. And you answered that just as I did.

PS - I wish I were as wise as you, WhoDat.



[Edited on 8/4/2005 by WhoDat]

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so what your saying is that we have a plan-that plan is to make everyone think we want travis johnosn and Mcperhson so that they will take those guys, so that we can get the guys we want?

problem here is that if anyone is listenting to the saints to provide who they will pick-they are in worse trouble than we are.

but i hope you are right and we have a plan to fill the other 65% of our needs.

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this front office and coaching take is THE major issue about this team imo. as danno stated, there have been plenty of playoff teams i wouldn\'t count as having as much talent as this one the past few years.

as far as just a player away from the playoffs, the sad fact is that it is true. 37.5% of the teams make the playoffs. there was a discussion on another thread whether there have been major changes or aggressive personnel moves or whether they have been bad moves. i think both! yeah, some turnover and going after people but net result: downgrade. glover and joe johnson to the heavy lunch bunch to serviceable young and nobody. 11th ranked defense in 2000 to 32nd four years later. playoffs? big whoop. whether playoffs or not i want to see an improving product on the field. the jags and texans are two teams that come to mind. no playoffs but improving, looking like they are geling (like a felon) and on the road to success. they have to do it and get there tho. if ya don\'t you just do not keep repeating the same formula with the same results year after year. sorry for soapboxing but i have to mention the vikes again. very similar profile and rate of succes as the saints. they even snuck into the playoffs last year. i think they realized this formula ain\'t getting it. let\'s get out of the box we have been in the past few years (high flying offense/no D) and try a different approach. whether it works or not i give them credit for not being satisfied with being a fringe playoff team. what i fear here is that there is satisfaction with that. benson\'s tightwadedness is a factor. a beancounter gm is another. i thik a declining last ranked defense necessitates more than tweaking. in today\'s nfl there are windows of opportunity with the ebb and flow of salary cap life. this team is on the brink of reaching some serious squeezing whether they win big or not.

[Edited on 9/4/2005 by LKelley67]

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He would be a big addition and upgrade for our LB unit. Maybe another Sam Mills or Vaughan Johnson??

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We could trade our 1st, 2nd and 4th for the Titans 1st and 3rd.
If we get the Cowboys 2nd and 4th for Darren Howard, we would have these pick after trading up for DJ.

2nd - #42
3rd - #68
3rd - #82
4th -#109
5th - #152
6th - #193
7th - #232

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remember to pull out your old draft pick value chart rvd...

that trade with the titans is 1850 pts for them 1558 for NO

the cost for their #6 (1600) alone is more like saints 1st, 2nd, and 3rd picks, 1680 pts.

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This year the charts may not hold much water. This is not a deep draft IMO and a bunch of the teams at the top are in real cap trouble. They want out of the early part of the draft.

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Exactly.

It will cost less to trade up this draft, than any other.Because lots of teams what to trade down.The value chart kinda goes out the window.

[Edited on 9/4/2005 by -RVD-]

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we\'ll see. i cannot imagine any team giving up a second rounder (300pts) to move down tho.

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Just get it done guys.....i want DJ

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Has nothing to do with our personal opinions on the matter and has everything to do with the past behavior of the FO. If they had it in their minds that Sully was worth the trade up(remembering that Dewayne Robertson was their primary target), why would they think that DJ wasn\'t worth the risk? Giving it some thought I think they are strongly considering making a play to trade up and get DJ. It just doesn\'t add up that they said they aren\'t \"enamored\" with him, the most highly touted defensive player to come out in years. Makes no sense whatsoever.

[Edited on 11/4/2005 by GoldenTomb]

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Its the weakest most transparent smokescreen I\'ve ever seen.
They\'d wet themselves if they got him.

If they didn\'t like him it seems they\'d hype him, insuring he he gets picked instead of who they really want at 16.
Weak, very weak. I\'d love to play poker with these chumps.

Unless of course its the old double-reverse-psyche-out.
Claim you don\'t like him, have people think you\'re bluffing, and they take him instead of the guy you really want.

Or it could be the triple-reverse-psyche-out. For the teams that think they\'re pulling the old double-reverse-psyche-out ;)

[Edited on 11/4/2005 by Danno]

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Because of the past experience with Sully. Hence my question referring to DJ\'s work ethic and character.

Unfortunately the flip side of it is that we are talking about the currnse Saints FO, scouting, and coaching staffs.

They may be serious. If that\'s the case then they really need :help:

And frankly that\'s very scary.

SFIAH