Reach for DJ?

Danno · 04-07-2005, 02:18 PM

SFIAH got me thinking with his post...

Maybe we need to reach for this guy.

The defense needs something. Since we can't do anything to change the coaching... [Hi FireVenturi!] we should keep reaching for players that can potentially override that poor coaching.

Getting another average player at 16 doesn't really help. Trading down for more average players proabably won't either.

So consider trading up for an exceptional player.
Let's pick someone who virtually everyone agrees is a can't miss, not just the Saints scouting and coaching staffs.

SFIAH

He makes a pretty convincing case for reaching for this guy. IF he's everything most scouts say about him.
If you were sure you were gonna get the next Lawrence Taylor, would you trade #16 and #40 to get him? Or our #16 and Darren Howard?

Again, IF you were absolutely positive you were going to get the next LT.

Would you?

[Edited on 7/4/2005 by Danno]

LKelley67 · 04-07-2005, 02:25 PM

you can NEVER be sure. it isn\'t my ideal option but i wouldn\'t be disappointed if they did. i\'d be happy for if he played like a james farrior-keith brookings-derrick brooks!

i think two 2nd round LBs are capable of upgrading over allen and bockwoldt tho too.

baronm · 04-07-2005, 02:42 PM

Derrick Johnson OLB Texas 6ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢4 230
By: Robert Davis

Derrick Johnson may be the most explosive linebacker in the past few years in college football. He routinely makes big plays, and has done so [i:a7457b8833] all four years at Texas.[/i] Last year as a junior, Johnson racked up 125 tackles with 20 of them for loss, 2 sacks, 4 INT, and 9 pass break ups. His 3 year totals at Texas are amazing: 328 tackles, 46 tackles for loss, 8.5 sacks, 8 INT, and 22 pass break ups.

There arenÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t too many linebackers out there that possess the type of physical ability and all around ability on the football field that Johnson has. Johnson is tall, and extremely athletic. He plays sideline to sideline, and has excellent closing speed. He can drop into coverage with ease, and has the ability to make plays on the football in coverage. He is also very good at moving forward towards the passer or stuffing the run. Johnson just has a nose for the football, and is in on every play. He is the type of all around LB every team wishes they could have.

The biggest weakness with JohnsonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s game is that he needs to get stronger. He still has a lanky frame, and looks to have the ability to bulk up over 240 with ease and not lose any speed. His lack of bulk shows at times in the run game when it comes to fighting off blockers. He has improved on this during his senior season, but he can still be taken out of the plays.

Johnson is about as good a LB prospect as you will find. He looks a lot like LaVar Arrington did at Penn St, and he has the frame to bulk up like LaVar has. If linebackers were put at more of a premium, Johnson could be the first player taken off the board. It looks like he is a Top 10 lock at this point, with a very good chance of getting taken in the Top 5.

Submit your comments on our NFL draft forums.

I couldn\'t find the other post that I was putting scouting reports on...

saintsfan1313 · 04-07-2005, 02:45 PM

I say if he makes it out of the top 3, we need to grab him. Send our first and 2nd and lets grab him. If he\'s there @ pick 7, we need to pull the trigger

#7 is worth 1,500 points
#16 is a 1,000 and 2nd rd. #8 is worth 500, dead even trade.

Then we trade howard for a pick or 2 and it will balance out. IF he makes it out of top 3, we HAVE to give our defense a chance to excel. He is our chance

yasoon · 04-07-2005, 02:51 PM

Isn\'t there a concern about salary if we draft him TOO high? I would love to get the Titans #6 and grab him there.

GoldenTomb · 04-07-2005, 03:01 PM

I think it\'s befuddling if they aren\'t even considering trading up for him. I think if he drops past 3 we have to make a play for him.

LKelley67 · 04-07-2005, 03:06 PM

TN is more doable than MIN cuz they want to move down n get more picks. they might even give 100pts of value, or throw them hodge too LOL

baronm · 04-07-2005, 03:08 PM

If we don\'t move up to get him, I want to some how get either:

Burnett, davis and castillo

or

Burnett, Ruud, Castillo

WhoDat · 04-07-2005, 03:46 PM

No. Know why? B/c EVERY YEAR about this time, you hear about how this player or that player is going to be the best blank to come out of the draft in the last four or five years. Guess what, they almost never are.

I guess your assumption is that you\'re absolutely positive that this guy is LT. If so, would I trade two firsts for him (DH and #16)? Sure, that\'s what a franchise player would call for, right? Two firsts for Sully, why not two firsts for a Pro Bowler at LB?

Danno · 04-07-2005, 03:58 PM

I guess your assumption is that you\'re absolutely positive that this guy is LT.

Uhh No, thats why I asked the question with the big IF\'s, and highlighted the big IF\'s. And even repeated the IF qualifier, just in case someone didn\'t really read the post well enough.

He makes a pretty convincing case for reaching for this guy. IF he\'s everything most scouts say about him.
If you were sure you were gonna get the next Lawrence Taylor, would you trade #16 and #40 to get him? Or our #16 and Darren Howard?
Again, IF you were absolutely positive you were going to get the next LT.

But you answered my question though. I would too.

IF I was sure he was the next LT

04-07-2005, 02:25 PM	#2
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Reach for DJ? you can NEVER be sure. it isn\'t my ideal option but i wouldn\'t be disappointed if they did. i\'d be happy for if he played like a james farrior-keith brookings-derrick brooks! i think two 2nd round LBs are capable of upgrading over allen and bockwoldt tho too.

04-07-2005, 02:42 PM	#3
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Reach for DJ? Derrick Johnson OLB Texas 6ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢4 230 By: Robert Davis Derrick Johnson may be the most explosive linebacker in the past few years in college football. He routinely makes big plays, and has done so [i:a7457b8833] all four years at Texas.[/i] Last year as a junior, Johnson racked up 125 tackles with 20 of them for loss, 2 sacks, 4 INT, and 9 pass break ups. His 3 year totals at Texas are amazing: 328 tackles, 46 tackles for loss, 8.5 sacks, 8 INT, and 22 pass break ups. There arenÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t too many linebackers out there that possess the type of physical ability and all around ability on the football field that Johnson has. Johnson is tall, and extremely athletic. He plays sideline to sideline, and has excellent closing speed. He can drop into coverage with ease, and has the ability to make plays on the football in coverage. He is also very good at moving forward towards the passer or stuffing the run. Johnson just has a nose for the football, and is in on every play. He is the type of all around LB every team wishes they could have. The biggest weakness with JohnsonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s game is that he needs to get stronger. He still has a lanky frame, and looks to have the ability to bulk up over 240 with ease and not lose any speed. His lack of bulk shows at times in the run game when it comes to fighting off blockers. He has improved on this during his senior season, but he can still be taken out of the plays. Johnson is about as good a LB prospect as you will find. He looks a lot like LaVar Arrington did at Penn St, and he has the frame to bulk up like LaVar has. If linebackers were put at more of a premium, Johnson could be the first player taken off the board. It looks like he is a Top 10 lock at this point, with a very good chance of getting taken in the Top 5. Submit your comments on our NFL draft forums. I couldn\'t find the other post that I was putting scouting reports on...
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954

04-07-2005, 02:51 PM	#5
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	Reach for DJ? Isn\'t there a concern about salary if we draft him TOO high? I would love to get the Titans #6 and grab him there.
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04-07-2005, 03:01 PM	#6
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Reach for DJ? I think it\'s befuddling if they aren\'t even considering trading up for him. I think if he drops past 3 we have to make a play for him.
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04-07-2005, 03:08 PM	#8
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Reach for DJ? If we don\'t move up to get him, I want to some how get either: Burnett, davis and castillo or Burnett, Ruud, Castillo
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04-07-2005, 02:18 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Reach for DJ? SFIAH got me thinking with his post... Maybe we need to reach for this guy. The defense needs something. Since we can't do anything to change the coaching... [Hi FireVenturi!] we should keep reaching for players that can potentially override that poor coaching. Getting another average player at 16 doesn't really help. Trading down for more average players proabably won't either. So consider trading up for an exceptional player. Let's pick someone who virtually everyone agrees is a can't miss, not just the Saints scouting and coaching staffs. SFIAH He makes a pretty convincing case for reaching for this guy. IF he's everything most scouts say about him. If you were sure you were gonna get the next Lawrence Taylor, would you trade #16 and #40 to get him? Or our #16 and Darren Howard? Again, IF you were absolutely positive you were going to get the next LT. Would you? [Edited on 7/4/2005 by Danno]

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04-07-2005, 02:45 PM	#4
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	Reach for DJ? I say if he makes it out of the top 3, we need to grab him. Send our first and 2nd and lets grab him. If he\'s there @ pick 7, we need to pull the trigger #7 is worth 1,500 points #16 is a 1,000 and 2nd rd. #8 is worth 500, dead even trade. Then we trade howard for a pick or 2 and it will balance out. IF he makes it out of top 3, we HAVE to give our defense a chance to excel. He is our chance

04-07-2005, 03:06 PM	#7
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Reach for DJ? TN is more doable than MIN cuz they want to move down n get more picks. they might even give 100pts of value, or throw them hodge too LOL

04-07-2005, 03:46 PM	#9
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Reach for DJ? No. Know why? B/c EVERY YEAR about this time, you hear about how this player or that player is going to be the best blank to come out of the draft in the last four or five years. Guess what, they almost never are. I guess your assumption is that you\'re absolutely positive that this guy is LT. If so, would I trade two firsts for him (DH and #16)? Sure, that\'s what a franchise player would call for, right? Two firsts for Sully, why not two firsts for a Pro Bowler at LB?
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04-07-2005, 03:58 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Reach for DJ? I guess your assumption is that you\'re absolutely positive that this guy is LT. Uhh No, thats why I asked the question with the big IF\'s, and highlighted the big IF\'s. And even repeated the IF qualifier, just in case someone didn\'t really read the post well enough. He makes a pretty convincing case for reaching for this guy. IF he\'s everything most scouts say about him. If you were sure you were gonna get the next Lawrence Taylor, would you trade #16 and #40 to get him? Or our #16 and Darren Howard? Again, IF you were absolutely positive you were going to get the next LT. But you answered my question though. I would too. IF I was sure he was the next LT