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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
Deuce McAllister
2002 - 13TD 2003 - 8TD 2004 - 9TD LaDainian Tomlinson 2002 - 14TD 2003 - 13TD 2004 - 17TD Shaun Alexander 2002 - 16TD 2003 - 14TD 2004 - 16TD Priest Holmes 2002 -21 2003 - 27 2004 - 14 For context, let's take a look at all the RBs with a least 200 touches (i.e., receptions plus rushing attempts) last season and how they fared on a TD-per-touch basis: Player TD% Priest Holmes 6.85% T.J. Duckett 5.29% Ahman Green 4.94% Shaun Alexander 4.35% Marshall Faulk 4.33% Clinton Portis 4.27% LaDainian Tomlinson 4.12% Rudi Johnson 3.83% Jamal Lewis 3.39% Moe Williams 3.35% Travis Henry 3.06% Edgerrin James 3.06% Kevan Barlow 2.97% Domanick Davis 2.81% Jerome Bettis 2.70% Stephen Davis 2.41% Anthony Thomas 2.37% Ricky Williams 2.26% Garrison Hearst 1.97% Deuce McAllister 1.90% Fred Taylor 1.78% Troy Hambrick 1.71% Eddie George 1.50% Shawn Bryson 1.42% Tiki Barber 0.86% Michael Pittman 0.76% Curtis Martin 0.55% Marcel Shipp 0.00% Kevin Faulk 0.00% Why doesn't Deuce score more TDs? It seems for all the yards he gains, Deuce just doesn't help this offense when it comes to scoring. And that's a pretty important STAT !! |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
Must be because he doesn\'t smile when he screws up. He mopes and pouts and quits.
Maybe thats why he\'s so popular with Saint\'s fans. He\'s a natural born pessimist! :poke: [Edited on 8/4/2005 by Danno] |
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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
probally because we have other options in the red zone. at least two of the other guys you names dont or didnt have much. the only person preist has been competing with is gonzalez. tomlinson before last year was the only option. besides we have been down in so many games by so many points do we really ever have the option of doing much else besides throwing.
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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
Clearly it\'s the line\'s fault.
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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
PLEASE PLEASE DONT TELL ME YOUR A BROOKS FAN
CUZ IF YOU ARE YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK ABOUT ANYBODY MUCH LESS OUR \"OFFENSE\" DUECE THAT IS NOT BROOKS |
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Just kidding with you, of course. There\'s a Brooks\' bashing party. See WhoDat and saintwhodi and they\'ll get you an offical T-shirt. :P [Edited on 8/4/2005 by GumboBC] |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
Are the negative statements about Brooks FACTS or FICTION? They are FACTS. Call it bashing if you want. So you are bashing Deuce then, right? So we can label you as an official Deuce basher. See how many people jump on that train as opposed to the AB FACTS train.
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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
im not bashing ab
im just saying deuce can only do so much if you put enough men in the box and the qb doesnt audible out of a running play when he has his receivers in man to man you tell me oh and as for the posts im just coming back on the new site but thanks for your concern |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
Welcome kojak. Never mind Gumbo. Sometimes his AB shades clouds his judgment of most things rational. ;)
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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
thanks bro
im sure they do, but if after this year brooks cant get it done then what????? |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
I know some of you think that Deuce is the next Walter Payton, but Deuce doesn\'t fair well with other RBs where scoring is concerned.
Furthermore, Deuce hasn\'t been very succesful on 3rd and short situations. But, I really don\'t think that Deuce is to blame. But, it is a problem. Penalties have really killed the offense and that\'s limited Deuce\'s carries in scoring opportunites. And the offensive line hasn\'t opened many holes on 3rd and short situations. In fact, Decue often gets met behind the line of scrimmage. And injuries have also hurt Deuce\'s scoring... [Edited on 8/4/2005 by GumboBC] |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
and dont forget our inept passing game
that doesnt help any either as well as mccarthy\'s piss poor play calling |
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What has our passing game been ranked the past 4 years? |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
It\'s true that goaline options, o-line play, and goaline packages all affect this stat. Plus, we also play in a division with strong run defenses, and yes scoring is an important stat, but it is clear that stats can be very relative, and record is the only one that counts, and most of the running backs mentioned haven\'t helped their team win much more than the saints have!
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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
And dont forget about being down by 30 points by the 2nd qt, and having to throw 40 to 60 times to compete. (that kinda hurts the running game dont it?)
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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
1. Duece is a good back. Sure he can be a bit sulky, injured, and overweight. However, with a bit better line play, better offensive packages (no more 2TE carp), and better thought through play calling, he\'ll be fine.
2. Our passing game is actually not all that inept. We were the 12th best in passing and 27th in rushing last year. The other team didn\'t just keep stacking the box while we passed all over them either. 3. Stats are not relative. They are an impoverished description of what occured, but they are factual. The real problem is that they require an interpretation, and that can be relative (however, some interpretations are better than others, and that is not relative). 4. Welcome abord alligator and kojak. Good to have you. |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
He gets first downs and moves the chains. He keeps the drive alive. Then Brooks throws into quadruple coverage and gets picked off. Sounds familiar!!
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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
I think you have to blame at least half of it on the play calling. There is plenty of blame to go around. Our defense didn\'t help either. When we can\'t score in the first quarter how do we expect to run the ball 25 times a game.
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Real simple , when a team is playing from behind it takes some of the sting out of the running game . To give you some idea of exactly how far back Brooks put\'s the running game with his slow starts , let\'s look at the first quarter completion totals of N.F.C. quarterbacks in 2004 . Those turf balls are killers when an offense is trying to set tempo in the first quarter . Brian Griese TB 78.6 Marc Bulger STL 73.6 Daunte Culpepper MIN 70.5 Donovan McNabb PHI 69.6 Tim Rattay SF 68.4 Jake Delhomme CAR 68.2 Kurt Warner NYG 68.2 Patrick Ramsey WAS 68 Vinny Testaverde DAL 63.6 Michael Vick ATL 63.1 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 63 Brett Favre GB 60.8 Joey Harrington DET 58.2 Josh McCown ARI 57.1 Aaron Brooks NO 55.6 Mark Brunell WAS 49.3 Notice , both Brunell and McCown were benched for poor play ..... ;) [Edited on 9/4/2005 by saintz08] |
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Man, it amazes me what \"some fans\" think.
Billy doesn\'t want to focus on the defense, which is clearly the problem with this team. Think that the Saints are going to get anywhere with the 32nd ranked D? Instead, he focuses on the offense. Billy thinks that if the Saints just get rid of Deuce then all their problems will be solved. Why do you hate Deuce Billy? 2004 - Corey Dillon - 12 TDs - Super Bowl 2004 - Brian Westbrook - 3TDs - Super Bowl 2003 - Antowain Smith - 3TDs - Super Bowl 2003 - Stephen Davis - 8TDs - Super Bowl 2002 - Charlie Garner - 7TDs - Super Bowl 2002 - Tampa Bay - NO ONE in the TOP 30!! - Super Bowl 2002 - Deuce McAllister - 13TDs - that didn\'t seem to do it, did it? Boy, myopia can be fun. But sure Billy, keep on bashing Deuce and telling us all why he is the one single problem with the entire Saints team. |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
Stats are relative because they are affected by things that happen in a game. That\'s why players in a big play offense will have more TD\'s on a per touch basis than a player in a ball control offense, or why a kicker is genrally more accurate in a dome. Or how about Tebucky being the leading tackler due to mass opportunities since nobody else could make one. This is why stats are open to interpretation.
p.s. sorry I brought up kickers |
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Deuce is the $%#@#$ man!!!! Not only is he one of the most productive guys on the team, but the main reason anyone cuts on the game on Sundays.....I\'m starting to lean towards WHODAT a little bit. Brooks ain\'t cuttin it.....put Kitna behind Bentley and we might have a top 5 running game..(see San Diego game)
Brooks has all the tools of a pro-bowl QB but the mind of a junior hi-kid.....I rode the Brooks train long enough.... (I see a light at the end of a VERY long tunnel) |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
Deuce is a damn good back. Nuff said.
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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
.. doesn\'t he actually have to be handed the ball within at least 10 yards of the goal line? ..or is the expectation that Dulymus is going to score from 30 yards out every time? |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
Oh, yeah...one more thing. Why are we even having a discussion about wether or not Deuce is a good back? Deuce is a very good back. Who would argue that?
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Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
Wait guys, Gumbo is building up to something. He\'s gonna come out and say how this whole post was an elaborate plan to show how AB is at no fault for the offense\'s perfomance this past year. Just wait.
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Usually, when people say something is \"relative\" they mean \"subjective\" - which means depends on the individual. You meant \"relative\" to mean \"related to some other important facts\". We agree. Thus, my view is that stats can be employed to show many different things because they are an impoverished description of what happened (and that seems to be your view as well). Of course, I don\'t think stats are useless as a result. We just have to take some care in providing a detailed interpretation along with them. The Tebucky example is an excellent one. No one should think he is a productive and sharp defender because of his 100 tackles, although a guy with that many tackles is often taken to be those things. It is a fact that T-buck had 100 tackles, but the other facts, like he is a FS and we had rookie and journeymen LBs, should be included in an interpretation of that stat. |
Deuce doesn't help the offense much?!
I don\'t know how much Deuce underachieved last year as he still went over 1000 yards rushing after missing two games and most of another with an injury, which he returned from too quickly. He also was sulky about a new offense he did not like(pessimist ;) ). lol So had he been healthy all 16 games we may be talking about 1300-1400 yards from him, and noone would be thinking he underachieved, even though he openly discussed his dislike of the new offense. I think he is a sulker more than an underachiever. But that\'s just me. He needs to find a way to be motivated regardless of the situation, which is a credit to Joe Horn cause he actually does that. If Deuce should find that formula, he will be fine.
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The only problem I have with Deuce are his injuries. For 2 years in a row, Deuce has gotten injured and it\'s really affected his game. The knock on Deuce coming out of college was that he was injury proned.
The other thing I have a problem with (and it\'s not really related to Deuce) is that we do not score enough on the ground. There are all kinds of reasons why we can\'t run the ball in the endzone. Like: Penalties in the redzone, playing from behind, etc., ect., ... but Deuce doesn\'t get in the endzone like the other top backs in the NFL. We need more TD production from our RB. It\'s that simple. |
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A little used stat in the 08 arsenal is T.O.P. Let\'s see what the numbers were for the first 5 ranked defenses ...... ;) Pittsburgh - 34:00 Buffalo - 30:21 Washington - 31:19 Denver - 32:38 Tampa - 29:43 Where is the Saints offense ???? Saints 28:18 ....... :shrug: If the Saints were sittin in the 34:00 range , would the defense be ranked 32nd ??? |
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