Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

Here's a clip from SaintRob. It's the 80's offense with a lot of Dalton's highlights.

Personally, I think Dalton was the better back. You decide.

Click on the link to view.

http://www.cdol.com/saints/80soffense.wmv

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

Wow, from those limited clips, I guess we can say Bobby Hebert is better than Brooks too. He seemed to avoid rushes, throw touch passes, and I didn\'t see a fumble or INT. Also, we can say Eric Martin is better than Joe Horn, cause from those limited clips, I saw that he averaged about 25 YAC, which is much more than Joe. Hell, from those clips, Reuben Mayes and Ironhead was better than Deuce too. The team was also able to run screen passes, so from the limited clips those offenses must have been better than our current one.

Dalton is my all time favorite Saint, and Ronnie Lott even said when he was playing, Dalton Hilliard was the hardest tackle he had to make, but Dalton is not better than Deuce IMO. Did you see the holes he had from those limited clips? Not one had a defender in the backfield ever, and every screen worked. Imagine highlights would put a certain player in a very preferable light. Guess that\'s why they call them HIGHlights.

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saintswhodi --

Come on dude ... I\'m not suggesting anyone draw a conclusion on Deuce vs. Dalton strictly from that video clip.

But, I think most fans remember seeing Dalton Hillard in his prime. The video clip was just a little reminder of how good Dalton was.

To me, Dalton could make defenders miss like no other Saints\' RB I\'ve ever seen. And, IMO, Dalton was a much better receiver than Deuce.

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

Dalton was a very good, under-rated back, and also a family friend as he did business with my father, but i still think Deuce is better.

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

Dalton is shifty and hard to tackle.
Deuce is bigger and faster.
In today\'s game, I don\'t see Dalton being able to carry 25 times a game.

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dalton wasa great back until the knees got him. deuce is a great back too. its hard to say. i loved hilliard. but i love deuce too. but both were very good backs.

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It surprise how people forget. Dalton is by far better than Deuce. Deuce is more like potential to be the best saint\'s rb & Dalton is the best saint \'s rb. Out of the 4 season he played only 2 great season. Dalton was closest player I seen to run like Barry, however Deuce run more like Bo Jackson ....but if he don\'t come in better condition than last year he want be in comparison to the saint \'s old time great...

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ROFL OMG LOL... Dalton versus Deuce. Are you being serious here? It\'s not April fools again is it? :rollinglaugh:

He might have been a fan favorite... but between 1986-1993 he averaged 3.6 yards per carry and had only ONE thousand yard season. There is no comparison here.

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it is really hard to compare people from different eras. but hilliard only went over the 1000 yard mark once. deuce has done it 3 times already. i think right there deuce has to be the better back. bayou king if out of 4 seasons that deuce has been here, having gone over the 1000 yard mark 3 times and not 4 because he sat one year, and hilliard only did it one in his career, how do you say how hilliard was the better back? and to you also gumbo i ask

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Dalton Hilliard
Running Back
Born: 1964
1-time Pro Bowler: 1989

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1986 nor | 16 | 121 425 3.5 5 | 17 107 6.3 0 |
| 1987 nor | 12 | 123 508 4.1 7 | 23 264 11.5 1 |
| 1988 nor | 16 | 204 823 4.0 5 | 34 335 9.9 1 |
| 1989 nor | 16 | 344 1262 3.7 13 | 52 514 9.9 5 |
| 1990 nor | 6 | 90 284 3.2 0 | 14 125 8.9 1 |
| 1991 nor | 10 | 79 252 3.2 4 | 21 127 6.0 1 |
| 1992 nor | 16 | 115 445 3.9 3 | 48 465 9.7 4 |
| 1993 nor | 16 | 50 165 3.3 2 | 40 296 7.4 1 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 108 | 1126 4164 3.7 39 | 249 2233 9.0 14 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Seasons among the league\'s top 10
Rushes: 1989-2
Rushing yards: 1989-5
Rushing TDs: 1987-6t, 1989-4
Yards from scrimmage: 1989-2
Rush/Receive TDs: 1987-8t, 1989-1

Dalton Hilliard is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category.

Postseason data
Please read this fine print before using this data or sending questions or corrections.

Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
1987 min L,10-44 | 8 39 0 | 2 15 0
1990 chi L,6-16 | 4 13 0 | 0 0 0
1991 atl L,20-27 | 4 5 1 | 5 33 0
1992 phi L,20-36 | 3 7 0 | 1 10 0
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 19 64 1 | 8 58

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My vote goes to Dalton until Deuce shows me some more. Put Dalton on this Saints team and he\'s Marshall Faulk.
A couple more years success from Deuce and he\'ll easily pass Dalton. If he can stay healthy that is. But he\'s not there yet.

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I was going to post it too spkb25, but then I didn\'t want anyone to feel so :casstet: when they saw it. So funny... if he was better than or anywhere as good as Deuce, they wouldn\'t have drafted so many different guys to try to replace him... Dunbar, Brown, Heyward, Bates... goodness how long could this list be.

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It sure was good to see some of those old names from the day...

Hilliard was one of my all time favorite Saints, and will always be. But Duece, when in shape (Danno), is far and away a better back. He is like a fine blend of Hilliard, Mayes, and Heyward all mixed together--enough power to bowl over a LB but enough elusiveness and speed to break a 60 yard run.

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And Jonathan Sullivan, when in shape is probably a really good DT too. ;)

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thats funny papz. i know what you mean. and i think deuce in 4 years has already met hilliards career rushing numbers. danno you have no argument at all. but hey it was a good try. i mean what else does he have to do to be better than hilliard. especially when he already has the same numbers. but hey he isnt there yet, huh?

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#26 Deuce McAllister New Orleans Saints | Roster | NFL Index ESPN



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269 YDS
1074 TD
9

Height: 6-1
Weight: 232 lbs.
Pos: Running Back



Age: 26
Born: December 27, 1978, Lena, MS
Drafted: 2001, 1st Round, 23rd Pick by New Orleans Saints.
Experience: 5 years
College: Mississippi

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RUSHING STATS
YEAR TEAM G GS ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2001 NO 16 4 16 91 5.7 54 1 4 0 0
2002 NO 15 15 325 1388 4.3 62 13 65 4 3
2003 NO 16 16 351 1641 4.7 76 8 69 6 4
2004 NO 14 14 269 1074 4.0 71 9 53 5 4
CAREER 61 -- 961 4194 4.4 76 31 191 15 11

RECEIVING STATS
YEAR TEAM G GS REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2001 NO 16 4 15 166 11.1 22 1 8 0 0
2002 NO 15 15 47 352 7.5 30 3 15 0 0
2003 NO 16 16 69 516 7.5 39 0 22 0 0
2004 NO 14 14 34 228 6.7 20 0 5 0 0
CAREER 61 -- 165 1262

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

well in his young 4 year career he has 34 more career yards then hilliard. and he isnt better? i love hilliard too but man it isnt even a contest. had i looked at the numbers before i would have said this right away. but with me having been so young back then i didnt know or remember. when i became a saints fan i was 12. that was 87. he only played a couple of more years and only a very few times without his knee problems after that

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

another thing deuce has been over 4 yards a carry every year in his career. hilliard went over 4 yards a carry twice in his career.

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

George Rogers
Running Back
Born: 1958
2-time Pro Bowler: 1981, 1982

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1981 nor | 15 | 378 1674 4.4 13 | 16 126 7.9 0 |
| 1982 nor | 6 | 122 535 4.4 3 | 4 21 5.2 0 |
| 1983 nor | 13 | 256 1144 4.5 5 | 12 69 5.8 0 |
| 1984 nor | 16 | 239 914 3.8 2 | 12 76 6.3 0 |
| 1985 was | 15 | 231 1093 4.7 7 | 4 29 7.2 0 |
| 1986 was | 15 | 303 1203 4.0 18 | 3 24 8.0 0 |
| 1987 was | 11 | 163 613 3.8 6 | 4 23 5.8 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 91 | 1692 7176 4.2 54 | 55 368 6.7 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+----------------

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

unfortunately for me i dont remember the guy. i was just to young. but he would have been more comparable. and he was a great rb. or had the potential to be. shame he got hurt. but that lets you know what we have in deuce!

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

I like Deuce, and its obvious he will become our greatest ever, barring catostrophic injury.
I\'m bias because I grew up watching Hilliard. Ronnie Lott said he was the hardest hitting RB and the hardest to bring down in the whole league. He was a scrappy overachiever who would have had 3 times the success if he\'d played on a 2000 era NFL offense.

Oh, and I can\'t remember one single time Dalton was outrun by a 32 year old TE. ;)

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

so the fact that deuce has run for more career yards then hilliars already doesnt metter. danno that doesnt make much sense

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

[quote:cd2d8bc852]Dalton Hilliard
Running Back
Born: 1964
1-time Pro Bowler: 1989

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1986 nor | 16 | 121 425 3.5 5 | 17 107 6.3 0 |
| 1987 nor | 12 | 123 508 4.1 7 | 23 264 11.5 1 |
| 1988 nor | 16 | 204 823 4.0 5 | 34 335 9.9 1 |
| 1989 nor | 16 | 344 1262 3.7 13 | 52 514 9.9 5 |
| 1990 nor | 6 | 90 284 3.2 0 | 14 125 8.9 1 |
| 1991 nor | 10 | 79 252 3.2 4 | 21 127 6.0 1 |
| 1992 nor | 16 | 115 445 3.9 3 | 48 465 9.7 4 |
| 1993 nor | 16 | 50 165 3.3 2 | 40 296 7.4 1 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 108 | 1126 4164 3.7 39 | 249 2233 9.0 14 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Damn...you had to go find statics.... :sulkoff:

I guess I am wrong.........that leaves Ricky Williams as all time best saint rb.......if you are going by statics :thumbsup:

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I also grew up watching Dalton incompany... INCOMPANY. There is no comparison. I liked Dalton myself, but there is absolutely no comparison. In the couple of years Deuce has been here, he\'s been able to out perform Dalton by 10 folds. It reall makes me wonder how some people can even say Dalton comes any where close to what Deuce has meant to this franchise... Have really REALLY been watching the same football games?! Because I surely know what I\'ve been seeing for the last 10 plus years... I\'m just not sure everyone is on the same page... even George Rogers has nothing on Deuce period.

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

Are you sure...appeared that way to me.

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

6 posts in a row?

JKool envies you.

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

I had noted that, BnB.

I haven\'t been on a rampage in awhile...

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

Deuce, period. Every day and twice on Sunday.

It\'s amusing to me to see the people on this board who consistently question our regular performers/producers - but give a pass to their favorite player. Very interesting.

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

That\'s wrong. What are you talking about?


Ricky 3 years at starter:

1999 New Orleans Saints 12 12 253 884 3.5 25 2 4 45
2000 New Orleans Saints 10 10 248 1000 4.0 26 8 3 56
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 16 313 1245 4.0 46 6 2 58



Deuce three years as a starter:

2002 New Orleans Saints 15 15 325 1388 4.3 62 13 10 65
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 16 351 1641 4.7 76 8 16 69
2004 New Orleans Saints 14 14 269 1074 4.0 71 9 5 53

Let\'s see, Deuce\'s worst year, he totaled more than 2 of Ricky\'s years.

Seriously, what are you people talking about? Dalton was a scrappy, likeable, third down type guy and Ricky Williams was a solid back who Deuce immediately supplanted in the lineup.

It\'s not just in the numbers, Deuce is/was/will always be a better back than either of those guys.

And Danno, what\'s your problem with Deuce? You usually have good stuff to say, but good grief, I don\'t see where Duece has been anything but solid here. He had bodies on him from the get go on almost every running play last year. Most of his yards were YAC. If you watched amman or priest run through those 5 yard wide holes you would see a distinct difference in what we had to work with. Duece never pops off at the mouth, he works hard, he plays hurt AND he produces. Did Dalton or Ricky ever run for 70+ ib one carry while so grossly out of shape as you guys put it? I really don\'t think so. (I know Ricky hardly ever went over 20 as a Saint.)

I\'ve said it before, I\'ll say it again: Focusing on Deuce as a negative on this team is completely misguided. Plug him in and he\'ll do his job. \'04 was not a good year for Duece. The fumbles were disappointing and he could have shed a few pounds.

But, the reason we won the last 4 games was Duece on offense and better defense. He can carry this team and he hopefully will in \'05.

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Thanx yassy for reinforcing my faith in Deuce....Dalton was the bomb but deuce is just flat out better.......put deuce behind Denver or KC\'s O-line and he\'d have 2000 yrds.....
(like I pray our O-line will be this year)
Deuce will be top 3 this year......... :cool:

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

I\'ve stated this in many posts already. I realistically think Deuce is a better back than Dalton Hilliard. But his entire body of work, adjusting for era differences is not there with Dalton yet. Its my own personal opinion. If Deuce has another 1500 yard season I\'ll change my mind, no question.
My main problem with Deuce is that he hasn\'t taken off-season conditioning seriously enough, which leads to injuries, which lead to sub-par performances (for Deuce), which lead to 8 zillion excuses by way too many fans that if it weren\'t for injuries he\'d be the best ever.
Well I think the injuries (again, my opinion) are directly related to his off-season conditioning habits. He\'s looked slower, less shifty, and less decisive than he has in the past. And all I hear are excuses for him, and it annoys me. And now it looks like I\'m not the only one who\'s removed the Deuce-worship glasses.

You\'re probably right, he\'s the best RB this franchise has had, but he could be better, much better. But being the Saints it doesn\'t surprise me that fans settle for less. So I\'ll admit I sometimes over-stress his faults, mainly due to my petty annoyances with fans who seem to give him a free pass while hammering every other player on this team with their nuclear pessimism bombs.

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If the O-line lives up to the hype, Deuce will be back in form this season. A road grating O-line and Mike Karney pounding the riff-raff outta the gaps could mean big things for Deuce.

It\'s fair to say he needs to work harder at his conditioning, but I can\'t remember if Deuce showed up to camp with the extra pounds or if he added them while injured. In any event, I\'m looking forward to a healthy Deuce in the backfield this season.

As for Hilliard, I liked him, but was never overwhelmingly impressed. He was the best we had in his time, but I can\'t give him the nod over Deuce.

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Thats my whole point Mutey,
If Deuce came into 2005 in peak physical condition, he\'d be as close to unstoppable as a modern day RB could be.

Even if he\'s just close to peak he\'d be unstoppable. I wanna see that unstoppable Deuce.

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Let it be know that I don\'t give Deuce a pass. I acknowledge that he had some rough fumbles (the TB one was especially bad), and that he should be a lean 225-230 instead of pushing 240 like he was this year. He may have thought the extra weight was a good idea so that he could pound the ball better (the same way that I think more beer makes me a better Saints fan). It doesn\'t appear to be that way, and I think deuce will adjust his conditioning accordingly. It was that rare mix of size and speed that caught my eye to begin with. I think the Deuce of 2 years ago takes that Carolina run to the house insead of getting tracked down from behind.

I know early in the year, they showed him on the sidelines and he didn\'t look like his head was in it. I blame some of that on Deuce, but I also think that our genius coaching staff taking their RB out of an offense that he expressly mentioned was his comfort zone was stupid and possibly demotivating. Now, Deuce gets paid to do his job and he should do it, but the coaching move did not help. Again, McCarthy is a clown and I can\'t wait to watch him get Alex Smith smeared into the ground in SF. Saw Mike on the NFL network the other day...not very smart, not very charming...just a dull doofus. He said he was gonna get to work on Alex\'s footwork. I laughed out loud :)

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Exactly my feelings on Deuce last season yas. When a player makes it known publically he does not like an offense that is being installed, and he is the star of that offense, and all the OC has to say is \"Well, Deuce is our star, but I am sure he will come to love this new offense,\" I can see why he wouldn\'t have put forth hsi best effort. Doesn\'t excuse it, but ot could explain it. With a commitment to running from everyone down this season, and Deuce\'s own comments about drafting Brown, I thinkw e will see a different Deuce this year.

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It used to really get to me when I thought folks were using double-standards.

Some folks like to trash certain players for some remark they made to the media. But, players like Joe Horn are excused from ANY remark they ever makes because ... well .... because some folks just like Joe Horn.

And Deuce gets excused for giving up because ... ??? Hell, I don\'t know!! But he seems to get a free-pass from many. Not all, but many.

Thankfully, I don\'t give a crap anymore. I could care less if someone is using double-standards.

PS -- Before anyone gets all worked up ... don\'t bother ... I don\'t care.




[Edited on 2/5/2005 by GumboBC]

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

Wow. Thank God I said this: or I would have thought this last post was about me.

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Me too whodi.... ;)

Gumbo...now you try......

\"I realize that AB didn\'t know his a$$ from a can of pork and beans in the Tampa game until there were 3 minutes left, but.....\"

or

\"I know that most QBs don\'t throw laterals to their linemen, but....\"

We were actually just discussing the pros and cons of Deuce. I love Deuce, but I expect more out of him than we got in \'04. Because I know he\'s got it in him.

Trust me, life will be better if you just start dissing AB. Give it a shot....it\'s fun :)

Deuce better than Dalton Hillard? (Video Clip)
 

So if it wasn\'t you yas, and wasn\'t me, who could it have been? Gumbo? Who are these folks using double standards just so we can clear up any confusion?

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I\'m not sure Deuce \"gave up.\"

Sure, he mentioned his displeasure with the 2 TE set (which most of us agree was disastrous) but it\'s not like he refused to take the field. He got out there and - within six quarters of inadequate blocking and DT\'s / LB\'s mobbing him - suffered his first serious injury. He returned from the injury earlier than expected - even earlier than approved - and still managed to churn out a 1,000-yard season in spite of how often we were forced to pass.

I want him to show up in shape and post the best season of his career, and I think with several factors (upgraded O-line, a return to the I-form and Pro-set formations, Karney in his second year) he can.

Something I\'m sure most of us have noticed about Deuce is how he\'ll often \"lead\" his lead blocker ... by that I mean he\'ll grab a FB or TE by the collar and sorta guide them toward the tackler he wants them to block. Sounds rotten in theory, but it has worked well for him in the past. That\'s one of the reasons I think the I-form and Pro-sets are simply better for Deuce.

I still dunno about saying he \"gave up\" last season, I really don\'t see that. What did you mean, Gumbo?

[Edited on 2/5/2005 by mutineer10]