Scouts, Inc. breaks down the 2005 New Orleans Saints

saintz08 · 07-20-2005, 06:51 PM

Saw this earlier . Listing scouts inc as the source .

NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

Offensive coordinator Mike Sheppard has tried to simplify the Saints' playbook this offseason with less movement before the snap, and easier reads by not only the QB, but also the WRs. Sheppard wants his offense to run the play called in the huddle, and not have to make adjustments after the snap, which should make QB Aaron Brooks' decision-making much better.

Also, look for the Saints to run the football more in 2005 and utilize the passing game to compliment the run game. The Saints would like to be a little bit like the Pittsburgh Steelers, who pound the ball and force defenses to utilize eight-man fronts, and then exploit single coverages on the perimeter at key times with the play action.

On the defensive side of the ball, coordinator Rick Venturi has to figure out how to fix the defense that was dead last in the NFL in 2004. Because he lacks talent in his overall defensive personnel, Venturi is forced to play a lot of "games," in terms of movements and looks on defense. The goal is to confuse the other team's offense with a lot of change ups in terms of fronts and coverages.

Although the Saints didn't have the right personnel to get it done, they actually played a lot of man-to-man defensive schemes at the end of the 2004 season, in an effort to loosen up their blitz package and at least apply a pressure on opposing QBs. Venturi also likes to play a lot of press techniques at the line of scrimmage and the Saints will probably play more aggressive bump-and-run schemes in 2005 than they did a year ago, taking a chance that the pass rush will get to the opposing QB before their coverages will be exposed.

Interesting

What will Saintfan say too this :

appears to have problems reading defenses at times

Sheppard wants his offense to run the play called in the huddle, and not have to make adjustments after the snap, which should make QB Aaron Brooks' decision-making much better.

or

New Orleans is expected to simplify his reads and give him more time to break the defense down by getting the play into the huddle quicker. If these adjustments have the desired effect, Brooks could have a big year.

Either offensive solution makes me wonder one thing ???

What was Brooks wonderlic score again ???

ScottyRo · 07-20-2005, 07:57 PM

I don't think the wonderlic is conclusive since Marino's score wasn't any higher than Brooks' and he didn't seem to have any problems reading defenses.

saintz08 · 07-20-2005, 08:40 PM

I don't think the wonderlic is conclusive since Marino's score wasn't any higher than Brooks' and he didn't seem to have any problems reading defenses.

I think it showed up for Marino when he tried to GM in Miami .....

I wonder if the newly simplified offense does not work out this year , then perhaps maybe they will go with the Brooks draws it on the turf offensive simplification the following year .

saintfan · 07-21-2005, 09:55 AM

and easier reads by not only the QB, but also the WRs

You see "QB", but I see "QB" AND I see "WR". I think that's why we've disagreed so often the last 4 years. I have no way of knowing whether this article is accurate or not since there's not a single quote in it. Tread lightly when they either can't or won't quote someone.

I have read articles regarding our offense where the desire to trim it down a bit had to do with Brooks as well as the WR's lining up in the wrong place and running the wrong route...among other things like the entire offense being under the gun because McCarthy didn't get 'em the play in time. See none of us can know for sure, but is Brooks having problems reading defenses or is the real problem that he looks out over the line after the ball is snapped and his WR's aren't where they're supposed to be, perhaps with the exceptioin of Horn which Brooks recognizes and throws him the ball? The easy way out is to blame the QB for the whole mess. It might be more accurate to asses what really happened and place blame accordingly, but then that probably would be as much fun.

Be careful when you're reading an article with no quotes. The media is dangerous. The media likes to stir trouble (See Kenny Rogers). The media is reactionary. The media is, unfortunately, more opinion than fact more often than not.

stockman311 · 07-21-2005, 10:21 AM

I think Brooks does have problems picking up blitz packages on occasion, however, I can think of at least 4 occasions last year where a receiver, including Joe Horn, dropped a sure touchdown bomb which directly led to the Saints losing the game. Brooks needs to take off and run more when he gets the opportunity, that will slow down the rush. Horn needs to catch every ball that hits his hands and Stallworth needs to run better routes. All of this will open up the running lanes for Duece to pound people in the 4th quarter. Everyone must play better, not just Brooks.

Euphoria · 07-21-2005, 10:41 AM

Brooks Brooks Brooks... What about the O-line was swiss cheese last year... they couldn't pick up a blitz to save there life... look at the SD game.

saintz08 · 07-21-2005, 10:54 AM

From ESPN.com
Quarterbacks
Aaron Brooks has awesome potential. He puts god zip on his downfield passes, flashes the ability to lead receivers when throwing underneath and is a dangerous open field runner. The problem is he has yet to realize that potential, as he doesn't always make sound decisions and appears to have problems reading defenses at times. However, don't give up on Brooks yet.

Saintfan , where are you going with this wide receiver and defense thing ????

I am not seeing wide receiver having trouble reading defenses.

Unless your privy to some back alley info I am not and Aaron Brooks is a Wide Reciever ......

Tobias-Reiper · 07-21-2005, 11:01 AM

Sheppard wants his offense to run the play called in the huddle, and not have to make adjustments after the snap

...this doesn't make sense...

...a couple of shifts by the defense, and the Saints would need to call a time out to get another play in...

..after the snap, unless there's 100% execution by the offense, there'll always be "adjustments", like a WR going inside because the safety went outside, or the TE going 10 yds deep instead of 5 because he gets shoved out of his route, etc. etc. etc.

stockman311 · 07-21-2005, 11:11 AM

I agree totally. Even a running play shifts as blocking lanes open up. Simplifying the lingo to get the players to the line faster is fine and dandy but asking a QB with 5 years experience not to make adjustments at the line is a recipe for disaster.

saintswhodi · 07-21-2005, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by stockman311

I agree totally. Even a running play shifts as blocking lanes open up. Simplifying the lingo to get the players to the line faster is fine and dandy but asking a QB with 5 years experience not to make adjustments at the line is a recipe for disaster.

Maybe allowing the QB to make adjustments at the line was previously shown to be equally disastrous.

07-20-2005, 06:51 PM	#11
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Saw this earlier . Listing scouts inc as the source . NEW ORLEANS SAINTS Offensive coordinator Mike Sheppard has tried to simplify the Saints' playbook this offseason with less movement before the snap, and easier reads by not only the QB, but also the WRs. Sheppard wants his offense to run the play called in the huddle, and not have to make adjustments after the snap, which should make QB Aaron Brooks' decision-making much better. Also, look for the Saints to run the football more in 2005 and utilize the passing game to compliment the run game. The Saints would like to be a little bit like the Pittsburgh Steelers, who pound the ball and force defenses to utilize eight-man fronts, and then exploit single coverages on the perimeter at key times with the play action. On the defensive side of the ball, coordinator Rick Venturi has to figure out how to fix the defense that was dead last in the NFL in 2004. Because he lacks talent in his overall defensive personnel, Venturi is forced to play a lot of "games," in terms of movements and looks on defense. The goal is to confuse the other team's offense with a lot of change ups in terms of fronts and coverages. Although the Saints didn't have the right personnel to get it done, they actually played a lot of man-to-man defensive schemes at the end of the 2004 season, in an effort to loosen up their blitz package and at least apply a pressure on opposing QBs. Venturi also likes to play a lot of press techniques at the line of scrimmage and the Saints will probably play more aggressive bump-and-run schemes in 2005 than they did a year ago, taking a chance that the pass rush will get to the opposing QB before their coverages will be exposed. Interesting What will Saintfan say too this : appears to have problems reading defenses at times Sheppard wants his offense to run the play called in the huddle, and not have to make adjustments after the snap, which should make QB Aaron Brooks' decision-making much better. or New Orleans is expected to simplify his reads and give him more time to break the defense down by getting the play into the huddle quicker. If these adjustments have the desired effect, Brooks could have a big year. Either offensive solution makes me wonder one thing ??? What was Brooks wonderlic score again ???
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07-20-2005, 08:40 PM	#13
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I don't think the wonderlic is conclusive since Marino's score wasn't any higher than Brooks' and he didn't seem to have any problems reading defenses. I think it showed up for Marino when he tried to GM in Miami ..... I wonder if the newly simplified offense does not work out this year , then perhaps maybe they will go with the Brooks draws it on the turf offensive simplification the following year .
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07-21-2005, 09:55 AM	#14
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	and easier reads by not only the QB, but also the WRs You see "QB", but I see "QB" AND I see "WR". I think that's why we've disagreed so often the last 4 years. I have no way of knowing whether this article is accurate or not since there's not a single quote in it. Tread lightly when they either can't or won't quote someone. I have read articles regarding our offense where the desire to trim it down a bit had to do with Brooks as well as the WR's lining up in the wrong place and running the wrong route...among other things like the entire offense being under the gun because McCarthy didn't get 'em the play in time. See none of us can know for sure, but is Brooks having problems reading defenses or is the real problem that he looks out over the line after the ball is snapped and his WR's aren't where they're supposed to be, perhaps with the exceptioin of Horn which Brooks recognizes and throws him the ball? The easy way out is to blame the QB for the whole mess. It might be more accurate to asses what really happened and place blame accordingly, but then that probably would be as much fun. Be careful when you're reading an article with no quotes. The media is dangerous. The media likes to stir trouble (See Kenny Rogers). The media is reactionary. The media is, unfortunately, more opinion than fact more often than not.
	C'mon Man...

07-21-2005, 10:54 AM	#17
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	From ESPN.com Quarterbacks Aaron Brooks has awesome potential. He puts god zip on his downfield passes, flashes the ability to lead receivers when throwing underneath and is a dangerous open field runner. The problem is he has yet to realize that potential, as he doesn't always make sound decisions and appears to have problems reading defenses at times. However, don't give up on Brooks yet. Saintfan , where are you going with this wide receiver and defense thing ???? I am not seeing wide receiver having trouble reading defenses. Unless your privy to some back alley info I am not and Aaron Brooks is a Wide Reciever ......
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07-21-2005, 11:17 AM	#20
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by stockman311 I agree totally. Even a running play shifts as blocking lanes open up. Simplifying the lingo to get the players to the line faster is fine and dandy but asking a QB with 5 years experience not to make adjustments at the line is a recipe for disaster. Maybe allowing the QB to make adjustments at the line was previously shown to be equally disastrous.

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07-20-2005, 07:57 PM	#12
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	I don't think the wonderlic is conclusive since Marino's score wasn't any higher than Brooks' and he didn't seem to have any problems reading defenses.

07-21-2005, 10:21 AM	#15
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	I think Brooks does have problems picking up blitz packages on occasion, however, I can think of at least 4 occasions last year where a receiver, including Joe Horn, dropped a sure touchdown bomb which directly led to the Saints losing the game. Brooks needs to take off and run more when he gets the opportunity, that will slow down the rush. Horn needs to catch every ball that hits his hands and Stallworth needs to run better routes. All of this will open up the running lanes for Duece to pound people in the 4th quarter. Everyone must play better, not just Brooks.

07-21-2005, 10:41 AM	#16
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Brooks Brooks Brooks... What about the O-line was swiss cheese last year... they couldn't pick up a blitz to save there life... look at the SD game.

07-21-2005, 11:01 AM	#18
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Sheppard wants his offense to run the play called in the huddle, and not have to make adjustments after the snap ...this doesn't make sense... ...a couple of shifts by the defense, and the Saints would need to call a time out to get another play in... ..after the snap, unless there's 100% execution by the offense, there'll always be "adjustments", like a WR going inside because the safety went outside, or the TE going 10 yds deep instead of 5 because he gets shoved out of his route, etc. etc. etc.

07-21-2005, 11:11 AM	#19
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	I agree totally. Even a running play shifts as blocking lanes open up. Simplifying the lingo to get the players to the line faster is fine and dandy but asking a QB with 5 years experience not to make adjustments at the line is a recipe for disaster.