let's talk about qb's...........civilized please.........
 

with preseason right around the corner, there are those who feel if ab goes down we're screwed.
there are also those who believe if ab stays healthy, we screwed......
all i'm asking for is opinions......and your own scenario........
if ab goes down chances are bouman takes the helm provided he makes the cut. the way coaches talk about how he knows the play book leads me to believe he'll be here and kingsbury is the odd qb out unless they keep 4. i believe amac is quaranteed a spot regardless.......but, just my opinion.............
so, we have bouman starting and again, who would'nt think the season was all but lost?
maybe 1/2 way thru it (and this is saying ab is gone for the season)
bouman has us at .500 with a lot of help from a standout performance by the defense......
should we stick with him or give amac a shot?
i would be for giving him a chance seeing that we may end up a .500 team again anyway.........and while we won't know where amac is at the .500 mark 1/2 way into the season, if, and i say if he had any understanding as to what he was doing, would'nt it be best to get him some valuable experience? your turn...................smitty

I hear Bouman isn't doing too well in camp. Personally I wouldn't be blown away if we didn't start with AB, Kingsbury, and AMac, and if something happened to Brooks I wouldn't mind seeing what AMac can do. Much as it burns me, Whodat it right. AB's cap number is a monster next year. We need to see what Amac can do.

Call me stupid(which I'm sure some of you will), but I'd like the Saints to keep AB, McPherson, and Kingsbury. Kingsbury was a bad mo fo in college. Bouman is wasting money. Tee off.

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A-Mac will get a roster spot. The choice will be between Bouman and Kingsbury. KK will probably lose out on experience and the likihood that he wont get picked up by another team as quickly so he could be a fall-back option.

We may be screwed anyway, but if AB goes down we're really screwed unless Bouman can find some touch. I wouldn't start A-Mac unless it is plain he would do better than Bouman or we're pretty sure to not make the playoffs. (I know, that's game one, right?)

I'd love to see A-Mac get some reps if we tank, but I'd rather not watch another tank year.

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I honestly feel Aaron Brooks will put up ProBowl numbers... and no, I'm not being sarcastic. He gives us our best chance of winning and if he were to happen to go down, I think our whole season would be in jeopardy. I can see him throwing close to 30 touchdowns this year along with our simplified offense which will limit is mistakes and force him to throw to his checkdowns more... complete 60% of his passes.

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Mr. Sheppard, please log in under your own id.

Now that's just plain funny!

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I watched Kingsbury last camp and I have to tell you I liked his development and attitude. I felt it wouldn't be long before he bumped Bouman. So I stick to that say Bouman gets cut this year.

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:P

:lol:

In all seriousness, we need AB to stay healthy this year because our backup is so bad. Amac will need time even if he is our man in the future. I don't know much about Kingsbury and I have zero confidence in Bouman.

I've been hard on AB, but he's the QB this year and I hope he can prove me wrong. If he gets hurt, we'll be in a rebuilding mode. They will just pack the box and hammer Deuce into submission.

AB drives me nuts, but I'm still pulling for him this year (because I have to). I would like to see Amac unseat him in the future...but that's a pretty uneducated statement since I've never seen the dude take an NFL snap. My perception is that he's AB on steroids....who knows.

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Goos topic ssmitty. Here are my thoughts:

1. AB
In all honesty, I would not be the least bit surprised if AB finally had the breakout year that we've all been hoping for. We're deep and talented across the o-line, at RB, and at WR, and there is good competition at TE. Plus, the playbook is being simplified. I can imagine, even with the focus on running, a year where AB sees almost 4,000 yards, 27 TDs, 15 INTs, a 62% completion percentage, and a QB rating of 95 or 100.

On the flip side, I would not be the least bit surprised to see exactly what we've seen for the last 4 years. The issue for the Saints may be this - what if AB improves, but not a lot. What if his completion percentage is 59% or 60%? What if his QB rating is 89 or 91 maybe. What if his overall stats get slightly better but he remains inconsistent? Then you're faced with a QB who has had his best season (and a good one by NFL standards), but who is still inconsistent, who hasn't seemed to break out, and who costs a ton. Further, you've got youth (or poo in Bouman's case) behind him, so making a change is risky. Further - what if the team wins with AB at the helm? What if they're 10-6 and make the playoffs. Do you make a change at the most important position on the field?

2. Backups
Haslett has been in don't rock the boat mode for the last two offseasons, it seems. Given A-Mac's and Kingsbury's youth and inexperience, I doubt Bouman is going anywhere any time soon. He will be the #2 heading into the season. A-Mac - the clear talent leader will be 3 and KK ends up on the practice squad again.

3. Injury
If AB gets hurt, I think we are unfortunately screwed. I think in that case, Bouman gets the nod. He plays 3 games, we lose all 3, and he has an average QB rating around 60. A-Mac then gets a chance. My guess is that his play would be something like what AB's was in 2000 when he filled in for Blake. Raw but talented - not particularly great, but he'll make up for mistakes by making plays with his athleticism when plays break down and it's a fire drill. The big difference: there were no expectations when Brooks filled in in 2000 - we all thought we were screwed. If A-Mac had to step up, much more would be expected of him.

4. Next Season
I think next year depends a lot on what the team does. If the team doesn't make the playoffs, I think Haslett's job is really in jeopardy, and a new coach means A-Mac + a veteran FA as a stop-gap. If the Saints are competitive, Haslett gets an extension and Brooks signs a new contract also which reduces his 2006 cap number but probably pays him $50 million for 7 years. I just have a hard time believing that Brooks will go anywhere while Haslett is still the coach, absent an injury or major melt down. Maybe if AB gets hurt early this season, and A-Mac fills in and plays well, then maybe there would be a real QB battle next offseason, assuming Haslett/Brooks are still around.

Well said whodat.....

PS - don't think this didn't go unnoticed:

Only took 3 years SF. LOL. :)

My predictions:

1) Brooks will put up top 10 QB stats, however his succesful plays will only come about in 1/4 of the snaps. People will call for his head as he continues to look rediculous on the field while he puts up amazing stats. Brooks may be gone after this season.

2) Bouman IS waisting money and if Brooks goes down during the season Bouman will not remain the starter for long. We'll focus our attention to the younger guys. Bouman will be gone after this year.

3) One of the other QBs will finish this year in the Back-Up spot behind Brooks. If Brooks parts with the Saints after this season, one of these guys will be our new starter unless we pick up a decent veteran.

Brooks always puts up top 10 numbers.

And this is the problem for many Saints' fans. He can put up top 10 numbers and perform like an undisciplined street quarterback. Many people will argue that he HURTS the team just as much as he actually helps them. So, top 10 numbers are great when he's on, but when he's off its Bad News Brooks.

Deuce puts up top 10 numbers... lets complain about him.

He caughed up the ball in key situations on a couple of occaisions. I agree, Deuce had his moments, but for the most part he's stayed disciplined.

... to quote Rocky Balboa...


AAADRIANNN!!!!!

We need to dump Deuce... we didn't make the playoffs with him and now he is costing us bucks.

Also, if you remember, Brooks and Deuce had a couple of botched hand-offs. I guess they both have to take the blame for that.

What I was getting at, is this: I, personally am not calling for Brooks to leave, but others are. If he continues to put up good numbers, but New Orleans will not accept him as their quarterback for his "childish" mistakes then obviously he'll leave and play where he is wanted. If he continues to put up good numbers, I'd imagine he'd find plenty of teams that would give him the starting job.

i can't imagine us having much of a shot at the playoffs without arron this year. i think he could play well this year. i really hope he does. he will have better line play and deuce should return to form and that will all help. now if our d steps up we should be in a really good situation.

Sarcasm?

The thing that kills me about Brooks is that he always does just enough to just keep his job, but never anything more. He has never developed into the great quarterback that his talent could allow him to reach, but he has also never had an awful season. He always puts up pretty good stats, but he is never good enough to get us over the hump. His mediocrity and lack of discipline drives me nuts, but hopefully he can change some of that this year.

Euph - I understand the point you're trying to make, but do you truly believe that Brooks is A) as talented as Deuce comparatively for his position, or B) has performed as well, or C) has the potential to continue to perform at a top 5/Pro Bowl level?

Well -- 1st -- Brooks is the starting QB. No one else on the team can give us a better chance to win. So we have to take the good with the bad. And believe me there is a lot of both in Brooks. One can only hope that this year there will be more good than bad.

As for the others -- Amac isn't ready right now -- but you cannot get rid of him -- not with the tremendous upside he has.

That leaves Kingsbury or Bouman. Tough choice -- but since I say we gotta keep Amac as the project unfortunately that means (to me) we need Bouman as the second stringer. Might be a waste of money but at least he has starting experience under his belt.

Not that I am a huge Brooks fan (he upsets me because I only see him really playing with passion or heart for parts of the game) but we have to hope that he stays healthy for the year

Well we would admit Deuce is a top 10 RB, in that same breathe you also have to say that Brooks is a top 10 QB... I am not buying that he "hasn't developed as a QB" when he is a top 10 QB. The problem is the team as a whole... the blame should fall on the coaches!!! When you have players making mental mistakes its the coaching not the player. Brooks isn't the next coming of Bret Farve but if ya wanna dump brooks then lets dump Deuce after all Deuce didn't have a great year last year either.

I think you missed a smiley. I'll put one in for you: :D

McCarthy screwed up Deuce last year. He wanted Boo and Conwell on the field at the same time, so he installed that crappy two TE set. Deuce didn't like it.

When Deuce was successful what did he have:

1) A solid OL.
2) A stud FB in Smith.

I look to the upcoming 2005 season and I see:

1) A solid OL (especially the right side) and
2) A stud FB in Karney.

Add to that a committment to the run my Sheppard and I see Deuce surpassing his 2003 numbers.

Paying Deuce the money was the right thing to do.

So I added that smiley for you. It is what you wanted right?

SFIAH

... the question you have to ask yourselves is:

.. is there a precedence for a QB with no NFL starts, no NFLE starts, and maybe 1 or 2 quarters of preseason under his belt, to come off the bench, and win, say, a playoff game?


AAADRIANNN!!!!!

Brooks.

Its sometime better going into that situation with someone they know very little of and they can't or have not prepared for. Bringing in AM or KK would keep them on there toes.

sotta like the steelers with ben?

seems like a loaded question.