MLB Pressured to Pull All-Star Game from Phoenix...

strato · 05-26-2010, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Saintpaul - I liked what you said. I wish we could all just talk things out and respect everyone's views, but unfortunately, I think racism has to die off with older generations. The civil rights movement wasn't that long ago. People still remember those tensions.

Racism is a language spoken by those less educated. It's too easy to call someone a name, single them out or be fearful just bc they are different.

Race was brought up bc of my comment. And let me be clear - my reference was meant as a broad statement bc you're right Saintfan - everyone loves to throw out the racism argument these days. It's more political than anything IMO.

I think certain people want racism to exist because they profit from it.

I like what you said about being free and loving everyone. So then everyone should be FAIR to each other. ..Right? Well, what's being given and taken by people who are in this country illegally is not fair. It's not healthy for the country and it's future and it's certainly not fair to citizens who work hard their whole lives to miss out on opportunities and rights that they have as AMERICANS.

I also think that Saintfan's comment to you deserved a better response. But that's just me...

Do you really want to get me started?...why cant i say my peace and be done..rip me if you want but i could really care a less what anybody here thinks..as well they probably would say the same about me..i dont owe Saintfan you or anybody else any more than i gave you...Why must you persist in bringin about an arguement?..Im half hispanic and i have the right to disagree...ive seen racisim first hand...so dont tell me i owe anybody anything... Peace..

saintfan · 05-26-2010, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Do you really want to get me started?...why cant i say my peace and be done..rip me if you want but i could really care a less what anybody here thinks..as well they probably would say the same about me..i dont owe Saintfan you or anybody else any more than i gave you...Why must you persist in bringin about an arguement?..Im half hispanic and i have the right to disagree...ive seen racisim first hand...so dont tell me i owe anybody anything... Peace..

I've seen racism too, and I'm not half-hispanic. I swear on all that is holy I'm not trying to start WWII (and with you and I that's appropriate) with you Strato. I understand that racism exists, and I 'think' I understand how racism must make people feel - but even if I don't it doesn't change the Arizona law on bit.

The Arizona law isn't racist. It doesn't say "only Mexicans", and if it did I'd be screaming racism too. The fact that Mexicans make up 97% or more of the people immigrating into the United States through Arizona can't be helped, and trying to label their law 'racist' is unfounded. It is what it is. The Federal Law grants officials the right to stop any one, any where, at any time, and ask for proof of citizenship, unfortunately it isn't enforced. The Arizona law requires reasonable cause, and says nothing about a person's race being a pre-requisite.

You are right. You don't owe anyone here an explanation. It is your right to be of whatever opinion you choose, however if you're going to bring the "R" word to the table you should be interested in explaining why - or at least I think you should - to others interested in the topic, why you feel that way.

05-26-2010, 08:10 PM	#1
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: MLB Pressured to Pull All-Star Game from Phoenix... Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Saintpaul - I liked what you said. I wish we could all just talk things out and respect everyone's views, but unfortunately, I think racism has to die off with older generations. The civil rights movement wasn't that long ago. People still remember those tensions. Racism is a language spoken by those less educated. It's too easy to call someone a name, single them out or be fearful just bc they are different. Race was brought up bc of my comment. And let me be clear - my reference was meant as a broad statement bc you're right Saintfan - everyone loves to throw out the racism argument these days. It's more political than anything IMO. I think certain people want racism to exist because they profit from it. I like what you said about being free and loving everyone. So then everyone should be FAIR to each other. ..Right? Well, what's being given and taken by people who are in this country illegally is not fair. It's not healthy for the country and it's future and it's certainly not fair to citizens who work hard their whole lives to miss out on opportunities and rights that they have as AMERICANS. I also think that Saintfan's comment to you deserved a better response. But that's just me... Do you really want to get me started?...why cant i say my peace and be done..rip me if you want but i could really care a less what anybody here thinks..as well they probably would say the same about me..i dont owe Saintfan you or anybody else any more than i gave you...Why must you persist in bringin about an arguement?..Im half hispanic and i have the right to disagree...ive seen racisim first hand...so dont tell me i owe anybody anything... Peace..

05-26-2010, 08:22 PM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: MLB Pressured to Pull All-Star Game from Phoenix... Originally Posted by strato Do you really want to get me started?...why cant i say my peace and be done..rip me if you want but i could really care a less what anybody here thinks..as well they probably would say the same about me..i dont owe Saintfan you or anybody else any more than i gave you...Why must you persist in bringin about an arguement?..Im half hispanic and i have the right to disagree...ive seen racisim first hand...so dont tell me i owe anybody anything... Peace.. I've seen racism too, and I'm not half-hispanic. I swear on all that is holy I'm not trying to start WWII (and with you and I that's appropriate) with you Strato. I understand that racism exists, and I 'think' I understand how racism must make people feel - but even if I don't it doesn't change the Arizona law on bit. The Arizona law isn't racist. It doesn't say "only Mexicans", and if it did I'd be screaming racism too. The fact that Mexicans make up 97% or more of the people immigrating into the United States through Arizona can't be helped, and trying to label their law 'racist' is unfounded. It is what it is. The Federal Law grants officials the right to stop any one, any where, at any time, and ask for proof of citizenship, unfortunately it isn't enforced. The Arizona law requires reasonable cause, and says nothing about a person's race being a pre-requisite. You are right. You don't owe anyone here an explanation. It is your right to be of whatever opinion you choose, however if you're going to bring the "R" word to the table you should be interested in explaining why - or at least I think you should - to others interested in the topic, why you feel that way.
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