SaintPauly

Who owned the Braves, when they were actually good? Who owned them when they were in the Series every year. I know my history just fine. I didn't know the Braves were sold, SORRY, I could care less to be honest. And as far as your Saints argument goes, I already went through that, in the 80s, before the cap, when the Saints couldn't get past teams like the 49ers, because they were buying all the best players. Did it bother me? Yes, it did, but I certainly didn't cry about it. If that's the set up, and the way things are, you adapt, and you move on. Either that, or you just continue to be a loser. There are many things I don't like in the world, that haven't changed in the many years I have been around, but I don't cry about it, I deal with it. You wanna blame the Yankees, and Steinbrenner, for the fact that your team can't compete, (I'm going to take a wild guess, that you are a Giants fan.... which would make sense, considering they haven't won a championship since they were actually in New York... Now that's irony...) If you are not, then I apologize, but I gotta say, you sound like one.

I am a Saints fan, been one since 72, and I've been a Yankee fan, since the same age. I remember the series with Jackson in the late seventies, and then I remember the complete drout, we went through, up until the late 90s. So, once again, I don't see your argument of "buying championships", considering how terrible they were back then.

You are getting mad over this? Are you serious? It's just a conversation SF. Because I don't agree with your assessment, OF MY FAVORITE MLB TEAM, not yours, then you are getting heated. What do you expect? Me to bash my own team? I am a Yankees fan, and I am a very loyal Yankee fan. I don't usually pay attention to this rhetoric, because I am in fact, a Yankee fan. I don't care about the other teams. Same as the NFL, I only care about the Saints. Thus, once again, and no offense to you at all when I say this, boo hoo, cry me a river. To blame the Yankees for the complete downfall of baseball, is just ridiculous. Phillys won, Cards won, Diamondbacks have won a couple, as well as the Redsox. This argument never pops up, until the Yankees win one, and then, here comes the crap talking. "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME." There you go. Don't like the way they do it, oh well. Obviously, it's possible to beat the Yankees, or teams like the ones I just mentioned, wouldn't have ever won them. How did they do it? Magic?

As I said, you getting mad about this is ridiculous. It's a discussion forum. Calm down.

What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular.....

saintfan

i'm pretty sure the evidence shows otherwise - see...uh...the Braves, even at their best, weren't in the series every year, although they did with the NL East a whole bunch. I think you are confused on this issue as you are on many others. Still, the Braves were very good for a very long time, with 'mostly' home grown players and one hell of a manager. This is not an accurate representation of Yankees I'm afraid.



Yes, I know.

So tell me then, why, specifically, did it bother you? What about it bothered you? Let's explore this since essentially the same thing that bothered you where the Saints are concerned doesn't seem to register to you on the other side of the equation with the Yankees, so please do elaborate on this a little bit. I'd like to know where you see the difference...


If I have an unfair advantage do you jus accept that? Really? I'd be willing to be that isn't how you really feel. For example, my knowledge of baseball history is better than yours, but you don't accept it, you continue to argue with me. See what I mean? Nobody simply accepts something that is unfair. Do you?


Wrong. I've been an Astros and Braves fan since the mid 70's when we got Cable thanks to Skymike (LOL). See, baseball HAS changed, and your beloved George lead the charge, and his actions hurt the competitive level between MLB teams. Period. You either accept that or you don't. Frankly it appears as though you have accepted that and are willing to live with it. That's fine. Just so we're clear

You don't have to be successful to be called trying. It is a fact that the Yankees and other big market teams used an unfair revenue advantage to outbid smaller market teams for players. The best MLB has been able to do is implement a luxury tax, and you already know who has paid more to that than any other team don't you? Did you simply overlook this? Not likely, but then it isn't very convenient to your Yankee fandom either huh? Would you have been equally upset if the Saints had this benefit? Not likely. If Jerry Jones had the same leverage in the NFL that George has in the MLB you be whining right along with the rest of us, because you wouldn't be blinded by your fandom, which at this point its pretty clear is why you resist the admission that Steinbrenner had and the Yankees continue to have and abuse this very advantage. You can't be helped until you admit you have a problem.

I'm getting mad? I don't get mad. I do enjoy pointing out ignorance, misrepresentations and bogus arguments. This isn't anger. These are facts that you misrepresent and I correct you on. You won't see me get angry. I know enough Yankee fans to know how it is


I expect you to be man enough to see and admit the obvious and not try to blind me with a bunch of statements you can't back up. Have enough respect for me, for the game, and for yourself to stop attempting to side track the discussion or proclaim me as 'mad' as a way to deflect the topic. That's bush league. I expect if you are going to get your panties in a wad because I called out your team and their owner for doing exactly what they do that you bring something tangible to the table if you can. You have not done so. I have countered each silly statement you have made with real information. You can go right on being a Yankee fan. I know it stings when people show you how they have abused the integrity of the game. That's not my problem. As a fan of that organization it is your problem.


Well, when I blame the Yankees for the complete downfall of baseball I'll let you know. Up to this point I have not done so. I have pointed out rather clearly how the Yankees organization and George Steinbrenner have damaged fair competition though. Let's stay on point shall we, or are you just making this stuff up as you go?

You are arguing with yourself man - and this is the standard, by-the-book Yankee fan defense, but it doesn't change the actions of the organization, it just means they aren't smart enough to recognize that karma is real. It isn't about who won last year or even how many the Yankess have won, its about fair play. It's about a level playing field for all parties concerned, and if that's the case and you beat me then congrats to you, but that's the the case in baseball today, and your beloved Yankees essentially started the downfall and your refusal to acknowledge it doesn't change history. You may not like it, and in typical Yankee fan style you'll probably continue to deny it, but it's true. It's a fact, and I'm sorry if it stings. Facts are facts.


But you play fairly...or maybe some of you don't. I do, and I lobby for fair play, and I will teach my son and daughter to play fairly too. I can only hope that they are not so devoid of morals that they can tip the scales unfairly in their favor and still sleep at night. Some of you can do that I guess. The NFL has the right idea. Baseball is trying desperately to stop what George started but pandoras box was opened there long ago....by...wait for it...the Yankees and George Steinbrenner.

They did it with baseball knowledge. They certainly didn't do it by out bidding your favorite team for a player, because as we all know that isn't possible. I have shown you the numbers and poo poo'd your argument otherwise right here in this very thread. But again, it isn't the results of the cheating...it's the cheating.

Yes, you did say that, but I remain unmad...perhaps you can show me where I got mad? What statement that I made caused you to think I was mad? I think you're screwed in this debate and you know it.

C'mon Man...