Maybe they will catch some of the thugs

saintfan · 01-23-2012, 11:46 PM

New Orleans is only in this conversation because someone chose to use it as a defense for the violence in the Bay Area. Now that, friends and neighbors, is, as my Granny used to say, 'just plain dumb'.

CharityMike · 01-24-2012, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

Saying Oakland, Vallejo, and Richmond are dangerous is like saying Metairie, Kenner and Gretna are dangerous. Are they different cities? Yes, but in reality they are all San Fran, just parts you know not to go to, the Bay Area is just as dangerous as any other urban area, calling it totally safe is ignorant.

A0so, no one from New Orleans can ever criticize any city for how bad their crime rate is. My parents were across the street (at a steakhouse) from the shooting in lakeview (at a Susan Spitzer restaurant,) I mean christ, nowhere in this city is safe for any person.

Funny you should say that. The wife and I were going to Rite Aid and was like wtf is going on. We made a couple u turns trying to see and as soon as I saw an officer with a homicide jacket on, I knew what was up. Lakeview???Really?? I love my city but it is going to ****. No where seems safe anymore. Ever since the hurricane, bad people have been spread out all over now.

WHO_DAT_CAT · 01-24-2012, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Here's my issue Cat. If defense of my reasonable assessment that the bay area is full of thugs and that it is nearly as violent as any place in the US, you, rather than look at the facts in a reasonable way, prefer to defend ( I guess ) the area by slamming New Orleans, a city that has nothing to do with the conversation.

This is the last comment I will make on this topic.

If you re-read my posts, you will find that I am not defending the violence that obviously exists here is California, but I do not think that either the Bay Area, specifically, or California, in general, merits the criticism it has sustained on this thread. I used the examples of the beauty of Northern California to point out that this area clearly does not "suck".

I hear the concerns for yourself and your families' safety. And, while I understand how stressful it can be to feel afraid -- I have lived here on the Peninsula since 1990 and, from my experience, I simply do not share your concerns or perspective. I do not often listen to local news about murders -- so it could be that I am not aware of the increasing violence here.

My assumption on this thread is that I am mostly talking to people who live in New Orleans or have some previous connection to the city. On this thread, we were originally discussing "thuggery" at Candlestick. The discussion devolved from there into an actual "slamming" of the Bay Area ( mostly by you ) and California, in general. I simply pointed out to the good New Orleanians that incidents of thuggery or violence is not limited to California -- and used the historical New Orleans murder rate as an example. One person's "slamming" is another person's recitation of the facts.

AND, I absolutely DID NOT USE violence in New Orleans as an DEFENSE for violence in the Bay Area. That is a asinine remark.

skymike · 01-24-2012, 07:01 AM

Everybody that came to the Dome this year basically said, "Man your
team kicked our ass, but we had a great time in New Orleans."

I'd rather be in Louisiana.

mikesaintfan · 01-24-2012, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT

I have never seen anyone get in a bar fight here -- but that s**t happened all the time down south.

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no bar fights in SF?...or is it just that instead of throwing punches they tend to throw pink flowers

iceshack149 · 01-24-2012, 02:10 PM

You could all move to Fairbanks, Alaska. It's too cold to start **** outside. Lately it's been to cold to go outside.

saintfan · 01-24-2012, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT

This is the last comment I will make on this topic.

If you re-read my posts, you will find that I am not defending the violence that obviously exists here is California, but I do not think that either the Bay Area, specifically, or California, in general, merits the criticism it has sustained on this thread. I used the examples of the beauty of Northern California to point out that this area clearly does not "suck".

I hear the concerns for yourself and your families' safety. And, while I understand how stressful it can be to feel afraid -- I have lived here on the Peninsula since 1990 and, from my experience, I simply do not share your concerns or perspective. I do not often listen to local news about murders -- so it could be that I am not aware of the increasing violence here.

My assumption on this thread is that I am mostly talking to people who live in New Orleans or have some previous connection to the city. On this thread, we were originally discussing "thuggery" at Candlestick. The discussion devolved from there into an actual "slamming" of the Bay Area ( mostly by you ) and California, in general. I simply pointed out to the good New Orleanians that incidents of thuggery or violence is not limited to California -- and used the historical New Orleans murder rate as an example. One person's "slamming" is another person's recitation of the facts.

AND, I absolutely DID NOT USE violence in New Orleans as an DEFENSE for violence in the Bay Area. That is a asinine remark.

Hmmm, the conversation is about the rampant thuggery in the bay area, and you're first contribution was this one:

First, there are over 6 million people living in the Bay Area. Like other major metropolitan areas, there are mentally ill, violent people living here. But, let's face it, there are plenty of crazy, violent people in the south. I'm sure the KKK is still operational down there. I don't see anyone driving around here with gun racks. As John Kelso, in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, described Charlestonians, "they are all drunk and heavily armed." And, I don't say drunk as a bad thing.

I have never seen anyone get in a bar fight here -- but that s**t happened all the time down south.

While I LOVE New Orleans, the south in general, does not compare in any way to Northern CA. If you had ever been here you would know that. Northern CA is stunningly beautiful. Have any of you ever driven from San Francisco to Big Sur on Hwy 1? Hiked through Big Basin Redwood forest with redwoods 250 feet tall and as wide as three cars at the bottom. Gone to Chandon Winery in Napa for the incredible champangne? Gone white water rafting down the American River in the Gold Country? Eaten warm dungeoness crab, right off the boat, boiled right on the dock? Off-road biked from Waddell Creek Beach to Berry Falls? Photos here: Waddell Creek/Berry Falls Mtn Bike Ride Had fresh ollaieberry pie at Duarte's in Pescadero? Gone horseback riding on the beach in Half Moon Bay? Kayaking on Lake Tahoe? Gone whale watching off Monterey Bay? This list just begins to scratch the surface of amazing things to do out here.

There are some lovely places in the south -- and I was just there in September -- and thought about moving back, because I miss home. But, just for variety of activities, and natural scenic beauty, Northern California is hard to compete with.

And, as far as whether people are dangerous out here ... the ONLY place in the world ( and I have traveled quite a bit ) ... where I was ever assaulted at gun point and almost kidnapped was one night in the French Market.

So it appears that you attempted to defend the bay area as no worse than any other area. You then followed that by bringing New Orleans into the conversation. You even go so far as to extend your defense of the bay area by asserting that it is more beautiful than the south.

But see, nobody is comparing the bay area to the south - nobody except you. You are, in fact, the only person I've come across who doesn't seem to want to recognize the thuggery that not only exists, but is prevalent out here.

Now, I could and I have said that I have felt much safer in other places attending baseball and football games. Maybe you think little green men land their spaceships over at Candlestick, attend the games, start a bunch of ****, then fly off...maybe to Richmond. It would seem to me those people are residents, by and large of the area. So why that wouldn't be a fair representation in your brilliant opinion is a bit, well, odd. Maybe it is space aliens. I mean, I can't prove it isn't. For that matter, this place is a bit like another planet at times.

Your insistent denial of the situation out here is the definition of 'assinine'.

Halo · 01-24-2012, 03:15 PM

I have something to say on this thread, it's probably going to be uplifting and contain some wisdom on all sides of the arguement.

I enjoy the fact that for the most part people are being civil with this topic...

but for right now, the thread has gone WAY off course and needs to be moved to another board where it can continue if need be.

WAY off course.... I'll move it now and comment later.

skymike · 01-24-2012, 04:29 PM

shoot, Halo, if this was on Site-X, there'd be name calling, "infraction
points," and bannings.

This is is a hot topic for us, but compared to the rest of the net... its
a pie eating contest....

btw, here's your answer to this deep question:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...?sct=nfl_t2_a8

thanks for playing!

saintfan · 01-24-2012, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

shoot, Halo, if this was on Site-X, there'd be name calling, "infraction
points," and bannings.

This is is a hot topic for us, but compared to the rest of the net... its
a pie eating contest....

btw, here's your answer to this deep question:
Fans tossed from New York Giants-San Francisco 49ers game - NFL - SI.com

thanks for playing!

Yeah, Mike, but those were space aliens from the Crab Nebula. No WAY that could have been residents of the fine and upstanding bay area. No sir ree bob. To think such would be...wait for it...assinine.

01-24-2012, 12:00 AM	#62
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by alexonfyre Saying Oakland, Vallejo, and Richmond are dangerous is like saying Metairie, Kenner and Gretna are dangerous. Are they different cities? Yes, but in reality they are all San Fran, just parts you know not to go to, the Bay Area is just as dangerous as any other urban area, calling it totally safe is ignorant. A0so, no one from New Orleans can ever criticize any city for how bad their crime rate is. My parents were across the street (at a steakhouse) from the shooting in lakeview (at a Susan Spitzer restaurant,) I mean christ, nowhere in this city is safe for any person. Funny you should say that. The wife and I were going to Rite Aid and was like wtf is going on. We made a couple u turns trying to see and as soon as I saw an officer with a homicide jacket on, I knew what was up. Lakeview???Really?? I love my city but it is going to ****. No where seems safe anymore. Ever since the hurricane, bad people have been spread out all over now.

01-24-2012, 12:18 AM	#63
WHO_DAT_CAT 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: California - Bay Area Posts: 386	Originally Posted by saintfan Here's my issue Cat. If defense of my reasonable assessment that the bay area is full of thugs and that it is nearly as violent as any place in the US, you, rather than look at the facts in a reasonable way, prefer to defend ( I guess ) the area by slamming New Orleans, a city that has nothing to do with the conversation. This is the last comment I will make on this topic. If you re-read my posts, you will find that I am not defending the violence that obviously exists here is California, but I do not think that either the Bay Area, specifically, or California, in general, merits the criticism it has sustained on this thread. I used the examples of the beauty of Northern California to point out that this area clearly does not "suck". I hear the concerns for yourself and your families' safety. And, while I understand how stressful it can be to feel afraid -- I have lived here on the Peninsula since 1990 and, from my experience, I simply do not share your concerns or perspective. I do not often listen to local news about murders -- so it could be that I am not aware of the increasing violence here. My assumption on this thread is that I am mostly talking to people who live in New Orleans or have some previous connection to the city. On this thread, we were originally discussing "thuggery" at Candlestick. The discussion devolved from there into an actual "slamming" of the Bay Area ( mostly by you ) and California, in general. I simply pointed out to the good New Orleanians that incidents of thuggery or violence is not limited to California -- and used the historical New Orleans murder rate as an example. One person's "slamming" is another person's recitation of the facts. AND, I absolutely DID NOT USE violence in New Orleans as an DEFENSE for violence in the Bay Area. That is a asinine remark.

01-24-2012, 07:01 AM	#64
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Everybody that came to the Dome this year basically said, "Man your team kicked our ass, but we had a great time in New Orleans." I'd rather be in Louisiana. saintfan likes this.

01-24-2012, 08:03 AM	#65
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT I have never seen anyone get in a bar fight here -- but that s**t happened all the time down south. . no bar fights in SF?...or is it just that instead of throwing punches they tend to throw pink flowers

01-24-2012, 02:58 PM	#67
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT This is the last comment I will make on this topic. If you re-read my posts, you will find that I am not defending the violence that obviously exists here is California, but I do not think that either the Bay Area, specifically, or California, in general, merits the criticism it has sustained on this thread. I used the examples of the beauty of Northern California to point out that this area clearly does not "suck". I hear the concerns for yourself and your families' safety. And, while I understand how stressful it can be to feel afraid -- I have lived here on the Peninsula since 1990 and, from my experience, I simply do not share your concerns or perspective. I do not often listen to local news about murders -- so it could be that I am not aware of the increasing violence here. My assumption on this thread is that I am mostly talking to people who live in New Orleans or have some previous connection to the city. On this thread, we were originally discussing "thuggery" at Candlestick. The discussion devolved from there into an actual "slamming" of the Bay Area ( mostly by you ) and California, in general. I simply pointed out to the good New Orleanians that incidents of thuggery or violence is not limited to California -- and used the historical New Orleans murder rate as an example. One person's "slamming" is another person's recitation of the facts. AND, I absolutely DID NOT USE violence in New Orleans as an DEFENSE for violence in the Bay Area. That is a asinine remark. Hmmm, the conversation is about the rampant thuggery in the bay area, and you're first contribution was this one: First, there are over 6 million people living in the Bay Area. Like other major metropolitan areas, there are mentally ill, violent people living here. But, let's face it, there are plenty of crazy, violent people in the south. I'm sure the KKK is still operational down there. I don't see anyone driving around here with gun racks. As John Kelso, in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, described Charlestonians, "they are all drunk and heavily armed." And, I don't say drunk as a bad thing. I have never seen anyone get in a bar fight here -- but that st happened all the time down south. While I LOVE New Orleans, the south in general, does not compare in any way to Northern CA. If you had ever been here you would know that. Northern CA is stunningly beautiful. Have any of you ever driven from San Francisco to Big Sur on Hwy 1? Hiked through Big Basin Redwood forest with redwoods 250 feet tall and as wide as three cars at the bottom. Gone to Chandon Winery in Napa for the incredible champangne? Gone white water rafting down the American River in the Gold Country? Eaten warm dungeoness crab, right off the boat, boiled right on the dock? Off-road biked from Waddell Creek Beach to Berry Falls? Photos here: Waddell Creek/Berry Falls Mtn Bike Ride Had fresh ollaieberry pie at Duarte's in Pescadero? Gone horseback riding on the beach in Half Moon Bay? Kayaking on Lake Tahoe? Gone whale watching off Monterey Bay? This list just begins to scratch the surface of amazing things to do out here. There are some lovely places in the south -- and I was just there in September -- and thought about moving back, because I miss home. But, just for variety of activities, and natural scenic beauty, Northern California is hard to compete with. And, as far as whether people are dangerous out here ... the ONLY place in the world ( and I have traveled quite a bit ) ... where I was ever assaulted at gun point and almost kidnapped was one night in the French Market. So it appears that you attempted to defend the bay area as no worse than any other area. You then followed that by bringing New Orleans into the conversation. You even go so far as to extend your defense of the bay area by asserting that it is more beautiful than the south. But see, nobody is comparing the bay area to the south - nobody except you. You are, in fact, the only person I've come across who doesn't seem to want to recognize the thuggery that not only exists, but is prevalent out here. Now, I could and I have said that I have felt much safer in other places attending baseball and football games. Maybe you think little green men land their spaceships over at Candlestick, attend the games, start a bunch of **, then fly off...maybe to Richmond. It would seem to me those people are residents, by and large of the area. So why that wouldn't be a fair representation in your brilliant opinion is a bit, well, odd. Maybe it is space aliens. I mean, I can't prove it isn't. For that matter, this place is a bit like another planet at times. Your insistent denial of the situation out here is the definition of 'assinine'.
	C'mon Man...

01-23-2012, 11:46 PM	#61
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	New Orleans is only in this conversation because someone chose to use it as a defense for the violence in the Bay Area. Now that, friends and neighbors, is, as my Granny used to say, 'just plain dumb'.

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01-24-2012, 02:10 PM	#66
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01-24-2012, 03:15 PM	#68
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,208 Blog Entries: 45	I have something to say on this thread, it's probably going to be uplifting and contain some wisdom on all sides of the arguement. I enjoy the fact that for the most part people are being civil with this topic... but for right now, the thread has gone WAY off course and needs to be moved to another board where it can continue if need be. WAY off course.... I'll move it now and comment later.

01-24-2012, 04:29 PM	#69
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	shoot, Halo, if this was on Site-X, there'd be name calling, "infraction points," and bannings. This is is a hot topic for us, but compared to the rest of the net... its a pie eating contest.... btw, here's your answer to this deep question: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...?sct=nfl_t2_a8 thanks for playing!
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01-24-2012, 04:54 PM	#70
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by skymike shoot, Halo, if this was on Site-X, there'd be name calling, "infraction points," and bannings. This is is a hot topic for us, but compared to the rest of the net... its a pie eating contest.... btw, here's your answer to this deep question: Fans tossed from New York Giants-San Francisco 49ers game - NFL - SI.com thanks for playing! Yeah, Mike, but those were space aliens from the Crab Nebula. No WAY that could have been residents of the fine and upstanding bay area. No sir ree bob. To think such would be...wait for it...assinine.

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