Video of gun-toting dad blasting away at daughter's laptop goes viral

SmashMouth · 02-10-2012, 05:45 PM

Facebook Parenting: For the troubled teen. - YouTube

A viral video of a father firing his .45 at his daughter’s laptop after she blasted him on her Facebook page has sparked a fiery debate about parenting and tough love.
Tommy Jordan posted the video entitled, “Facebook Parenting: For the troubled teen” on YouTube on Wednesday. By Friday, it was closing in on two million views. Jordan went public with the clip after daughter Hannah posted on Facebook an open letter to her parents griping about what most 16-year-olds would complain about at that age: having to do chores and not having the latest gadgets bought for her.

In the video, Jordan sits on a chair with a cigarette in hand and a printed-out copy of his daughter’s posting in the other. He also has a .45 caliber holstered to his belt.
The angry dad starts off with a message to his daughter.
“Hannah, you were grounded for three months for doing something similar to this and I would've thought that with a father in IT for a living, you would have better sense than to do it again,” he says.
He then reads his daughter’s posting, entitled “To my parents.”
“Since you want to hide it from everyone, I’m going to read for everyone now,” Jordan says on the video.
“To my parents: I’m not your damn slave,” he begins, before reading the profanity-laced diatribe.

Read more: Video Of Gun-toting Dad Blasting Away At Daughter's Laptop Goes Viral | Fox News

ROFL!

Ashley · 02-10-2012, 08:19 PM

I took my daughters facebook page away. All that is, is a online soap opera. I can't stand facebook. She was always on it, and then the problems started. Now is only a teen, and I'm sure she will find a way to get on, when shes away from home.

Good for him.... I feel your pain brother, just two days ago I smashed her phone. If she had her own computer, I might have done the samething.
So anyway...How Bout dem Saints!

QBREES9 · 02-10-2012, 11:36 PM

Father of the year ! Good job Tommy. Lets us know hows she doing.

Srgt. Hulka · 02-12-2012, 10:54 AM

Wow, how many times have I thought of doing the exact same thing. I think I'm going to show that video to my 15 year old son.

QBREES9 · 02-13-2012, 07:06 AM

My kids are to young for facebook. My wife works in IT i think she'll know how to handle it. Just lke Tommy

saintfan · 02-13-2012, 01:18 PM

I guess I'm the only one here who thinks that was a little over the top?

Ashley · 02-13-2012, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I guess I'm the only one here who thinks that was a little over the top?

Hell no it's not. Well he probably shouldn't have posted it. But hey it got the best of him.

saintfan · 02-14-2012, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

Hell no it's not. Well he probably shouldn't have posted it. But hey it got the best of him.

Taking the laptop away, in my opinion, would have been sufficient. A little public humiliation might also have been in order, but he's doing precisely what he is railing at her about. No?

He really is showing her...that, what, two can play that game?

I recall a story my grandpa tells about my great grandpa. He tells a story about leaving the gate open repeatedly and getting lectured about it. And he told me one time:

"You know son, the thing about paw paw is that he could shame us boys so bad that being shamed was worse than just about anything else he could have done." In the end...the moral of the story...is that my grandpa and his brothers understood that it embarrassed THEM when they embarrassed HIM.

Now, I have two children. They are 6, girl, and 2, boy. I know it's an uphill battle and I know that sometimes the best laid plans can go awry. But I'm thinking that SOMEbody might not have figured out how somebody else is wired if it has to escalate to such a point that the GROWN UP is railing away AT HIS OWN DAMN DAUGHTER...ON FACEBOOK...and putting 6 bullets into a freaking laptop computer as a way to SHOW HER that HE can do it too. Man it must be miserable to live in that home, right?

When I got my ear pierced when I was 17 my mother threw everything in the house at me...if it wasn't nailed down she picked it up and threw it at me, running through the house screaming and crying, "What have I raised!"

Dudes that strengthened my resolve. I was keeping that earring hell or high water...until my grandpa sat me down and explained to me why he didn't approve, necessarily, and what my consequences would be if I chose to keep it.

I took it out at the end of that conversation. Sometimes I wish I hadn't. It didn't really hurt anything, and I wasn't rebelling against my family by piercing my ear. In the end though, I chose to respect my family, because he made me see, with words, the whole picture. Nothing was said that day that couldn't be taken back. Nothing was done that couldn't be undone.

All my step dad (one of the greatest men I will ever know) had to say when me and my mother were really having problems because she was paranoid and I was, well, a teenager, was this:

"You've never really seen me get mad. You don't want to." I took him at his word because, you know, he was so calm and level headed all the time...just to hear him say that, you know, that he could even get mad, in a tone I'd never really heard before...you know...that was enough.

See, kids are going to be kids. There are going to be moments. But it's pretty clear to me that the man in that video doesn't have his daughter's respect...at all...and I'd wager she doesn't have his either...

And after watching that video he wouldn't have mine either. I don't know him. I don't know his daughter. And no, I don't know the whole story either. Was she using facebook to become a prostitute, or to sell drugs, or to cheat on tests, or was she venting about what every kid on the face of the planet vents about from time to time? I don't know. Certainly she deserved, based on her facebook post, some consequences I have no doubt. But we can be pretty sure it didn't start there. We can be pretty sure that facebook is a symptom of whatever the real problem is between that girl and her dad/parents. And I can only hope and pray that as my kids make me angry enough to take my pistol and bust a few caps in their laptops...that I don't actually do it. That by the time they're are old enough to understand what consequences really are...that I can levy those consequences in a civilized way...

Crusader · 02-15-2012, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Taking the laptop away, in my opinion, would have been sufficient. A little public humiliation might also have been in order, but he's doing precisely what he is railing at her about. No?

He really is showing her...that, what, two can play that game?

I recall a story my grandpa tells about my great grandpa. He tells a story about leaving the gate open repeatedly and getting lectured about it. And he told me one time:

"You know son, the thing about paw paw is that he could shame us boys so bad that being shamed was worse than just about anything else he could have done." In the end...the moral of the story...is that my grandpa and his brothers understood that it embarrassed THEM when they embarrassed HIM.

Now, I have two children. They are 6, girl, and 2, boy. I know it's an uphill battle and I know that sometimes the best laid plans can go awry. But I'm thinking that SOMEbody might not have figured out how somebody else is wired if it has to escalate to such a point that the GROWN UP is railing away AT HIS OWN DAMN DAUGHTER...ON FACEBOOK...and putting 6 bullets into a freaking laptop computer as a way to SHOW HER that HE can do it too. Man it must be miserable to live in that home, right?

When I got my ear pierced when I was 17 my mother threw everything in the house at me...if it wasn't nailed down she picked it up and threw it at me, running through the house screaming and crying, "What have I raised!"

Dudes that strengthened my resolve. I was keeping that earring hell or high water...until my grandpa sat me down and explained to me why he didn't approve, necessarily, and what my consequences would be if I chose to keep it.

I took it out at the end of that conversation. Sometimes I wish I hadn't. It didn't really hurt anything, and I wasn't rebelling against my family by piercing my ear. In the end though, I chose to respect my family, because he made me see, with words, the whole picture. Nothing was said that day that couldn't be taken back. Nothing was done that couldn't be undone.

All my step dad (one of the greatest men I will ever know) had to say when me and my mother were really having problems because she was paranoid and I was, well, a teenager, was this:

"You've never really seen me get mad. You don't want to." I took him at his word because, you know, he was so calm and level headed all the time...just to hear him say that, you know, that he could even get mad, in a tone I'd never really heard before...you know...that was enough.

See, kids are going to be kids. There are going to be moments. But it's pretty clear to me that the man in that video doesn't have his daughter's respect...at all...and I'd wager she doesn't have his either...

And after watching that video he wouldn't have mine either. I don't know him. I don't know his daughter. And no, I don't know the whole story either. Was she using facebook to become a prostitute, or to sell drugs, or to cheat on tests, or was she venting about what every kid on the face of the planet vents about from time to time? I don't know. Certainly she deserved, based on her facebook post, some consequences I have no doubt. But we can be pretty sure it didn't start there. We can be pretty sure that facebook is a symptom of whatever the real problem is between that girl and her dad/parents. And I can only hope and pray that as my kids make me angry enough to take my pistol and bust a few caps in their laptops...that I don't actually do it. That by the time they're are old enough to understand what consequences really are...that I can levy those consequences in a civilized way...

Post of the month!

Ashley · 02-15-2012, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Taking the laptop away, in my opinion, would have been sufficient. A little public humiliation might also have been in order, but he's doing precisely what he is railing at her about. No?

He really is showing her...that, what, two can play that game?

I recall a story my grandpa tells about my great grandpa. He tells a story about leaving the gate open repeatedly and getting lectured about it. And he told me one time:

"You know son, the thing about paw paw is that he could shame us boys so bad that being shamed was worse than just about anything else he could have done." In the end...the moral of the story...is that my grandpa and his brothers understood that it embarrassed THEM when they embarrassed HIM.

Now, I have two children. They are 6, girl, and 2, boy. I know it's an uphill battle and I know that sometimes the best laid plans can go awry. But I'm thinking that SOMEbody might not have figured out how somebody else is wired if it has to escalate to such a point that the GROWN UP is railing away AT HIS OWN DAMN DAUGHTER...ON FACEBOOK...and putting 6 bullets into a freaking laptop computer as a way to SHOW HER that HE can do it too. Man it must be miserable to live in that home, right?

When I got my ear pierced when I was 17 my mother threw everything in the house at me...if it wasn't nailed down she picked it up and threw it at me, running through the house screaming and crying, "What have I raised!"

Dudes that strengthened my resolve. I was keeping that earring hell or high water...until my grandpa sat me down and explained to me why he didn't approve, necessarily, and what my consequences would be if I chose to keep it.

I took it out at the end of that conversation. Sometimes I wish I hadn't. It didn't really hurt anything, and I wasn't rebelling against my family by piercing my ear. In the end though, I chose to respect my family, because he made me see, with words, the whole picture. Nothing was said that day that couldn't be taken back. Nothing was done that couldn't be undone.

All my step dad (one of the greatest men I will ever know) had to say when me and my mother were really having problems because she was paranoid and I was, well, a teenager, was this:

"You've never really seen me get mad. You don't want to." I took him at his word because, you know, he was so calm and level headed all the time...just to hear him say that, you know, that he could even get mad, in a tone I'd never really heard before...you know...that was enough.

See, kids are going to be kids. There are going to be moments. But it's pretty clear to me that the man in that video doesn't have his daughter's respect...at all...and I'd wager she doesn't have his either...

And after watching that video he wouldn't have mine either. I don't know him. I don't know his daughter. And no, I don't know the whole story either. Was she using facebook to become a prostitute, or to sell drugs, or to cheat on tests, or was she venting about what every kid on the face of the planet vents about from time to time? I don't know. Certainly she deserved, based on her facebook post, some consequences I have no doubt. But we can be pretty sure it didn't start there. We can be pretty sure that facebook is a symptom of whatever the real problem is between that girl and her dad/parents. And I can only hope and pray that as my kids make me angry enough to take my pistol and bust a few caps in their laptops...that I don't actually do it. That by the time they're are old enough to understand what consequences really are...that I can levy those consequences in a civilized way...

Hey I can't agree with you more on a few points you made. But everyone is and will be different. He may have never had that talk from his parents about the embarrassment he may have cause them at one point in his life. Remember he said he was on his own at what 15? So he sounds like he may or may not have had a tough time as a kid. So he did what he thought what was best at the time. Now looking back at this he may have wished he did it a little different. So here we all are being judges in favor, and not in favor of what he did at that point. He's not harming her, he's not abusive to her, cause social services and the local police interviewed them.

I liked what he did ( to a degree ). I don't think he should have posted it for all to see. AND even now, days have gone bye and I'm rethinking " Maybe he shouldn't have done it at all". But who am I to judge what he did what he thought and his wife was right. They must have discussed it cause he put one in the laptop for her.

Now I'm a single father of two, my 5yr son and my adopted daughter of 12. The biological mother has walked out of their lives. My son doesn't understand, but her daughter sure does. The reason I'm saying this is cause I too have a very hard road with my daughter. The resentment she has toward her has cause many many problems in our new family. I have had to give her the disappointment speech to let her know what is right and wrong.
But when that doesn't work what to do then? Do I do what he has done?? I have taken her facebook away, and I did smash her phone. But that was in the garage by myself. I was furious so I smash it.

So I can see why he did it. Whether it is right or wrong. Man I feel like I'm talking in circles.. sorry if I am. Lets just hope we as parents make the best decisions for our children and we don't end up on the local news.
OR the loony bin

02-10-2012, 05:45 PM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,549 Blog Entries: 29	Video of gun-toting dad blasting away at daughter's laptop goes viral Facebook Parenting: For the troubled teen. - YouTube A viral video of a father firing his .45 at his daughter’s laptop after she blasted him on her Facebook page has sparked a fiery debate about parenting and tough love. Tommy Jordan posted the video entitled, “Facebook Parenting: For the troubled teen” on YouTube on Wednesday. By Friday, it was closing in on two million views. Jordan went public with the clip after daughter Hannah posted on Facebook an open letter to her parents griping about what most 16-year-olds would complain about at that age: having to do chores and not having the latest gadgets bought for her. In the video, Jordan sits on a chair with a cigarette in hand and a printed-out copy of his daughter’s posting in the other. He also has a .45 caliber holstered to his belt. The angry dad starts off with a message to his daughter. “Hannah, you were grounded for three months for doing something similar to this and I would've thought that with a father in IT for a living, you would have better sense than to do it again,” he says. He then reads his daughter’s posting, entitled “To my parents.” “Since you want to hide it from everyone, I’m going to read for everyone now,” Jordan says on the video. “To my parents: I’m not your damn slave,” he begins, before reading the profanity-laced diatribe. Read more: Video Of Gun-toting Dad Blasting Away At Daughter's Laptop Goes Viral \| Fox News ROFL!

02-10-2012, 08:19 PM	#2
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	I took my daughters facebook page away. All that is, is a online soap opera. I can't stand facebook. She was always on it, and then the problems started. Now is only a teen, and I'm sure she will find a way to get on, when shes away from home. Good for him.... I feel your pain brother, just two days ago I smashed her phone. If she had her own computer, I might have done the samething. So anyway...How Bout dem Saints!
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02-10-2012, 11:36 PM	#3
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Father of the year ! Good job Tommy. Lets us know hows she doing.
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02-13-2012, 01:18 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	I guess I'm the only one here who thinks that was a little over the top? Crusader likes this.

02-13-2012, 11:26 PM	#7
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Originally Posted by saintfan I guess I'm the only one here who thinks that was a little over the top? Hell no it's not. Well he probably shouldn't have posted it. But hey it got the best of him.

02-12-2012, 10:54 AM	#4
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Wow, how many times have I thought of doing the exact same thing. I think I'm going to show that video to my 15 year old son.

02-13-2012, 07:06 AM	#5
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	My kids are to young for facebook. My wife works in IT i think she'll know how to handle it. Just lke Tommy

02-14-2012, 05:02 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Ashley Hell no it's not. Well he probably shouldn't have posted it. But hey it got the best of him. Taking the laptop away, in my opinion, would have been sufficient. A little public humiliation might also have been in order, but he's doing precisely what he is railing at her about. No? He really is showing her...that, what, two can play that game? I recall a story my grandpa tells about my great grandpa. He tells a story about leaving the gate open repeatedly and getting lectured about it. And he told me one time: "You know son, the thing about paw paw is that he could shame us boys so bad that being shamed was worse than just about anything else he could have done." In the end...the moral of the story...is that my grandpa and his brothers understood that it embarrassed THEM when they embarrassed HIM. Now, I have two children. They are 6, girl, and 2, boy. I know it's an uphill battle and I know that sometimes the best laid plans can go awry. But I'm thinking that SOMEbody might not have figured out how somebody else is wired if it has to escalate to such a point that the GROWN UP is railing away AT HIS OWN DAMN DAUGHTER...ON FACEBOOK...and putting 6 bullets into a freaking laptop computer as a way to SHOW HER that HE can do it too. Man it must be miserable to live in that home, right? When I got my ear pierced when I was 17 my mother threw everything in the house at me...if it wasn't nailed down she picked it up and threw it at me, running through the house screaming and crying, "What have I raised!" Dudes that strengthened my resolve. I was keeping that earring hell or high water...until my grandpa sat me down and explained to me why he didn't approve, necessarily, and what my consequences would be if I chose to keep it. I took it out at the end of that conversation. Sometimes I wish I hadn't. It didn't really hurt anything, and I wasn't rebelling against my family by piercing my ear. In the end though, I chose to respect my family, because he made me see, with words, the whole picture. Nothing was said that day that couldn't be taken back. Nothing was done that couldn't be undone. All my step dad (one of the greatest men I will ever know) had to say when me and my mother were really having problems because she was paranoid and I was, well, a teenager, was this: "You've never really seen me get mad. You don't want to." I took him at his word because, you know, he was so calm and level headed all the time...just to hear him say that, you know, that he could even get mad, in a tone I'd never really heard before...you know...that was enough. See, kids are going to be kids. There are going to be moments. But it's pretty clear to me that the man in that video doesn't have his daughter's respect...at all...and I'd wager she doesn't have his either... And after watching that video he wouldn't have mine either. I don't know him. I don't know his daughter. And no, I don't know the whole story either. Was she using facebook to become a prostitute, or to sell drugs, or to cheat on tests, or was she venting about what every kid on the face of the planet vents about from time to time? I don't know. Certainly she deserved, based on her facebook post, some consequences I have no doubt. But we can be pretty sure it didn't start there. We can be pretty sure that facebook is a symptom of whatever the real problem is between that girl and her dad/parents. And I can only hope and pray that as my kids make me angry enough to take my pistol and bust a few caps in their laptops...that I don't actually do it. That by the time they're are old enough to understand what consequences really are...that I can levy those consequences in a civilized way...
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02-15-2012, 05:43 AM	#9
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,033	Originally Posted by saintfan Taking the laptop away, in my opinion, would have been sufficient. A little public humiliation might also have been in order, but he's doing precisely what he is railing at her about. No? He really is showing her...that, what, two can play that game? I recall a story my grandpa tells about my great grandpa. He tells a story about leaving the gate open repeatedly and getting lectured about it. And he told me one time: "You know son, the thing about paw paw is that he could shame us boys so bad that being shamed was worse than just about anything else he could have done." In the end...the moral of the story...is that my grandpa and his brothers understood that it embarrassed THEM when they embarrassed HIM. Now, I have two children. They are 6, girl, and 2, boy. I know it's an uphill battle and I know that sometimes the best laid plans can go awry. But I'm thinking that SOMEbody might not have figured out how somebody else is wired if it has to escalate to such a point that the GROWN UP is railing away AT HIS OWN DAMN DAUGHTER...ON FACEBOOK...and putting 6 bullets into a freaking laptop computer as a way to SHOW HER that HE can do it too. Man it must be miserable to live in that home, right? When I got my ear pierced when I was 17 my mother threw everything in the house at me...if it wasn't nailed down she picked it up and threw it at me, running through the house screaming and crying, "What have I raised!" Dudes that strengthened my resolve. I was keeping that earring hell or high water...until my grandpa sat me down and explained to me why he didn't approve, necessarily, and what my consequences would be if I chose to keep it. I took it out at the end of that conversation. Sometimes I wish I hadn't. It didn't really hurt anything, and I wasn't rebelling against my family by piercing my ear. In the end though, I chose to respect my family, because he made me see, with words, the whole picture. Nothing was said that day that couldn't be taken back. Nothing was done that couldn't be undone. All my step dad (one of the greatest men I will ever know) had to say when me and my mother were really having problems because she was paranoid and I was, well, a teenager, was this: "You've never really seen me get mad. You don't want to." I took him at his word because, you know, he was so calm and level headed all the time...just to hear him say that, you know, that he could even get mad, in a tone I'd never really heard before...you know...that was enough. See, kids are going to be kids. There are going to be moments. But it's pretty clear to me that the man in that video doesn't have his daughter's respect...at all...and I'd wager she doesn't have his either... And after watching that video he wouldn't have mine either. I don't know him. I don't know his daughter. And no, I don't know the whole story either. Was she using facebook to become a prostitute, or to sell drugs, or to cheat on tests, or was she venting about what every kid on the face of the planet vents about from time to time? I don't know. Certainly she deserved, based on her facebook post, some consequences I have no doubt. But we can be pretty sure it didn't start there. We can be pretty sure that facebook is a symptom of whatever the real problem is between that girl and her dad/parents. And I can only hope and pray that as my kids make me angry enough to take my pistol and bust a few caps in their laptops...that I don't actually do it. That by the time they're are old enough to understand what consequences really are...that I can levy those consequences in a civilized way... Post of the month!

02-15-2012, 01:35 PM	#10
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Originally Posted by saintfan Taking the laptop away, in my opinion, would have been sufficient. A little public humiliation might also have been in order, but he's doing precisely what he is railing at her about. No? He really is showing her...that, what, two can play that game? I recall a story my grandpa tells about my great grandpa. He tells a story about leaving the gate open repeatedly and getting lectured about it. And he told me one time: "You know son, the thing about paw paw is that he could shame us boys so bad that being shamed was worse than just about anything else he could have done." In the end...the moral of the story...is that my grandpa and his brothers understood that it embarrassed THEM when they embarrassed HIM. Now, I have two children. They are 6, girl, and 2, boy. I know it's an uphill battle and I know that sometimes the best laid plans can go awry. But I'm thinking that SOMEbody might not have figured out how somebody else is wired if it has to escalate to such a point that the GROWN UP is railing away AT HIS OWN DAMN DAUGHTER...ON FACEBOOK...and putting 6 bullets into a freaking laptop computer as a way to SHOW HER that HE can do it too. Man it must be miserable to live in that home, right? When I got my ear pierced when I was 17 my mother threw everything in the house at me...if it wasn't nailed down she picked it up and threw it at me, running through the house screaming and crying, "What have I raised!" Dudes that strengthened my resolve. I was keeping that earring hell or high water...until my grandpa sat me down and explained to me why he didn't approve, necessarily, and what my consequences would be if I chose to keep it. I took it out at the end of that conversation. Sometimes I wish I hadn't. It didn't really hurt anything, and I wasn't rebelling against my family by piercing my ear. In the end though, I chose to respect my family, because he made me see, with words, the whole picture. Nothing was said that day that couldn't be taken back. Nothing was done that couldn't be undone. All my step dad (one of the greatest men I will ever know) had to say when me and my mother were really having problems because she was paranoid and I was, well, a teenager, was this: "You've never really seen me get mad. You don't want to." I took him at his word because, you know, he was so calm and level headed all the time...just to hear him say that, you know, that he could even get mad, in a tone I'd never really heard before...you know...that was enough. See, kids are going to be kids. There are going to be moments. But it's pretty clear to me that the man in that video doesn't have his daughter's respect...at all...and I'd wager she doesn't have his either... And after watching that video he wouldn't have mine either. I don't know him. I don't know his daughter. And no, I don't know the whole story either. Was she using facebook to become a prostitute, or to sell drugs, or to cheat on tests, or was she venting about what every kid on the face of the planet vents about from time to time? I don't know. Certainly she deserved, based on her facebook post, some consequences I have no doubt. But we can be pretty sure it didn't start there. We can be pretty sure that facebook is a symptom of whatever the real problem is between that girl and her dad/parents. And I can only hope and pray that as my kids make me angry enough to take my pistol and bust a few caps in their laptops...that I don't actually do it. That by the time they're are old enough to understand what consequences really are...that I can levy those consequences in a civilized way... Hey I can't agree with you more on a few points you made. But everyone is and will be different. He may have never had that talk from his parents about the embarrassment he may have cause them at one point in his life. Remember he said he was on his own at what 15? So he sounds like he may or may not have had a tough time as a kid. So he did what he thought what was best at the time. Now looking back at this he may have wished he did it a little different. So here we all are being judges in favor, and not in favor of what he did at that point. He's not harming her, he's not abusive to her, cause social services and the local police interviewed them. I liked what he did ( to a degree ). I don't think he should have posted it for all to see. AND even now, days have gone bye and I'm rethinking " Maybe he shouldn't have done it at all". But who am I to judge what he did what he thought and his wife was right. They must have discussed it cause he put one in the laptop for her. Now I'm a single father of two, my 5yr son and my adopted daughter of 12. The biological mother has walked out of their lives. My son doesn't understand, but her daughter sure does. The reason I'm saying this is cause I too have a very hard road with my daughter. The resentment she has toward her has cause many many problems in our new family. I have had to give her the disappointment speech to let her know what is right and wrong. But when that doesn't work what to do then? Do I do what he has done?? I have taken her facebook away, and I did smash her phone. But that was in the garage by myself. I was furious so I smash it. So I can see why he did it. Whether it is right or wrong. Man I feel like I'm talking in circles.. sorry if I am. Lets just hope we as parents make the best decisions for our children and we don't end up on the local news. OR the loony bin saintfan likes this.
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