Someone else made that happen?

AlaskaSaints · 08-10-2012, 06:22 PM

I LOATHE Liberals.

Know that. When you are dealing with AlaskaSaints, you are dealing with and ABLE Veteran who loathes liberals.

Fair. Not a hand-out but a hand-up. Welfare. EBT. Food Stamps. Section 8 housing. Alaska Permanent Dividend Fund. Free lunch program. Handicap parking for non-paraplegics. Handicap parking period. Equal Opportunity Employment. Social Services. Social experimenting... An on and on and on.

I loathe these things.

Alaska

ScottF · 08-11-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

I LOATHE Liberals.

Know that. When you are dealing with AlaskaSaints, you are dealing with and ABLE Veteran who loathes liberals.

Fair. Not a hand-out but a hand-up. Welfare. EBT. Food Stamps. Section 8 housing. Alaska Permanent Dividend Fund. Free lunch program. Handicap parking for non-paraplegics. Handicap parking period . Equal Opportunity Employment. Social Services. Social experimenting... An on and on and on.

I loathe these things.

Alaska

Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy
that group includes the authors of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence

saintfan · 08-11-2012, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy
that group includes the authors of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence

Once you get beyond Lincoln you're dealing with a different kind of liberal I'm afraid.

ScottF · 08-11-2012, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Once you get beyond Lincoln you're dealing with a different kind of liberal I'm afraid.

Very true.
My point was that there have been great men from that side, as well as the right. 'Loathing' either side is divisive and counterproductive. (welcome to America, 2012)

Danno · 08-11-2012, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Once you get beyond Lincoln you're dealing with a different kind of liberal I'm afraid.

Yep, todays liberals would consider those guys right wing extremists.

jcp026 · 08-12-2012, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

I LOATHE Liberals.

Know that. When you are dealing with AlaskaSaints, you are dealing with and ABLE Veteran who loathes liberals.

Fair. Not a hand-out but a hand-up. Welfare. EBT. Food Stamps. Section 8 housing. Alaska Permanent Dividend Fund. Free lunch program. Handicap parking for non-paraplegics. Handicap parking period. Equal Opportunity Employment. Social Services. Social experimenting... An on and on and on.

I loathe these things.

Alaska

Free lunch? Really? For a while in elementary school I didn't have free lunch and as a consequence I DIDN'T HAVE ANY LUNCH! I guess if I was really hungry I could have eaten out of the trash, right? You're a moron. If you weren't a veteran I'd have no respect for you at all.

saintfan · 08-12-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by jcp026

Free lunch? Really? For a while in elementary school I didn't have free lunch and as a consequence I DIDN'T HAVE ANY LUNCH! I guess if I was really hungry I could have eaten out of the trash, right? You're a moron. If you weren't a veteran I'd have no respect for you at all.

When I was in elementary school my mom (single mother, 1975) qualified for free lunch for both me and my sister. She refused it. Now, I'm not saying that everyone can refuse it. Some people NEED it and that's what it's for.

Fast-forward to this summer. In California, they've cut public schools to the bone, and they may not be done, while they continue to fund stupid social programs and while California becomes more and more a welfare state.

Here's the rub. The elementary schools feed the kids free of charge. Lunch. Breakfast too. Dinner too. All school year. All summer long. But the program is abused. Kids bring their friends. Kids who don't NEED it show up too, with THEIR friends. The principal at my daughter's Elementary school is livid over the whole thing, but there's not ONE DAMN THING she can do about it.

American's don't mind giving. We are the most generous people the world has ever known. We don't like STEALING. And that's what the 'free lunch' program has become. I'm speaking ONLY about California, but I'm willing to bet this particular problem is not specific to the Golden State.

No, sir. He's not an idiot as you suggest. He's PISSED OFF, and he has EVERY RIGHT to be pissed off, just as I and so many other people are pissed off because our country has drifted slowly over the years from what the founders intended. It is no longer drifting. It is on rapids and it is approaching the waterfall.

I've discussed this stuff with you. You're not stupid. You're well read on the subject, so I know you know we are not where the Constitution would have us be. We are increasingly a nation of people who feel entitled to things simply because someone else has them. There are people who grew up watching their parents and their grandparents manipulate, abuse, and scam Government programs, and of course they're scamming them too, all at the expense of the working public.

WE ARE TIRED OF IT. No. he's no moron. He is a pissed off American who is tired of seeing loafers live off his dime while he struggles to provide decent things for his family - things he wouldn't have to struggle to provide if he wasn't being forced by big brother to subsidize someone else who is able but not willing to go out and get his own. He doesn't have to. If his kids are hungry, no problem. Head down to the school. If he wants a cell phone he doesn't have to save for it, Obama will just give him one. If he needs a car, he doesn't have to sacrifice. He simply needs to get on Welfare and the Government will provide one for him, pay for the insurance, AND for AAA.

If you work for what you have, and if these programs don't piss you off, then I'm not sure I can have a conversation with you. Anybody who thinks Thomas Jefferson or Lincoln would approve is sadly mistaken. The "New Deal" was sneaked through in the dead of night and the country has been on the hell express ever since.

jcp026 · 08-12-2012, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

When I was in elementary school my mom (single mother, 1975) qualified for free lunch for both me and my sister. She refused it. Now, I'm not saying that everyone can refuse it. Some people NEED it and that's what it's for.

Fast-forward to this summer. In California, they've cut public schools to the bone, and they may not be done, while they continue to fund stupid social programs and while California becomes more and more a welfare state.

Here's the rub. The elementary schools feed the kids free of charge. Lunch. Breakfast too. Dinner too. All school year. All summer long. But the program is abused. Kids bring their friends. Kids who don't NEED it show up too, with THEIR friends. The principal at my daughter's Elementary school is livid over the whole thing, but there's not ONE DAMN THING she can do about it.

American's don't mind giving. We are the most generous people the world has ever known. We don't like STEALING. And that's what the 'free lunch' program has become. I'm speaking ONLY about California, but I'm willing to bet this particular problem is not specific to the Golden State.

No, sir. He's not an idiot as you suggest. He's PISSED OFF, and he has EVERY RIGHT to be pissed off, just as I and so many other people are pissed off because our country has drifted slowly over the years from what the founders intended. It is no longer drifting. It is on rapids and it is approaching the waterfall.

I've discussed this stuff with you. You're not stupid. You're well read on the subject, so I know you know we are not where the Constitution would have us be. We are increasingly a nation of people who feel entitled to things simply because someone else has them. There are people who grew up watching their parents and their grandparents manipulate, abuse, and scam Government programs, and of course they're scamming them too, all at the expense of the working public.

WE ARE TIRED OF IT. No. he's no moron. He is a pissed off American who is tired of seeing loafers live off his dime while he struggles to provide decent things for his family - things he wouldn't have to struggle to provide if he wasn't being forced by big brother to subsidize someone else who is able but not willing to go out and get his own. He doesn't have to. If his kids are hungry, no problem. Head down to the school. If he wants a cell phone he doesn't have to save for it, Obama will just give him one. If he needs a car, he doesn't have to sacrifice. He simply needs to get on Welfare and the Government will provide one for him, pay for the insurance, AND for AAA.

If you work for what you have, and if these programs don't piss you off, then I'm not sure I can have a conversation with you. Anybody who thinks Thomas Jefferson or Lincoln would approve is sadly mistaken. The "New Deal" was sneaked through in the dead of night and the country has been on the hell express ever since.

This is pointless. If we can't even agree that poor children, poor through no fault of their own, and hungry because they're human shouldn't be able to get lunch and breakfast at school for free then I don't know where we can agree.

saintfan · 08-12-2012, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

This is pointless. If we can't even agree that poor children, poor through no fault of their own, and hungry because they're human shouldn't be able to get lunch and breakfast at school for free then I don't know where we can agree.

You didn't read what I typed. We DO agree that poor children should be able to get lunch and breakfast at school for free. I doubt you'll find a man or woman in America who disagrees.

Where I disagree with my liberal friends is accountability. If, for example, you're benefiting from Section 8 you should be subject to periodic inspections - random so that you cannot prepare and hide your 3000 dollar stereos, Ipods, 52" televisions, and the 12 relatives living with you. There are people who need Section 8 who are using Section 8, but there are more people on Section 8 because they're lazy and they are career abusers of the system. We need to put a stop to that practice.

The principal of my daughter's Elementary school should have the power to enforce rules. But before that, rules have to be created so that she can enforce them. As things are now, when some kid wanders in she cannot require that kid to show proof that he/she should be there, and if she DID ask the district would fire her. That program exists at the expense of Civics, and music, and physical education, and more. It's a free for all. Pun intended. It sucks and it should be stopped.

People like me (and I'm sure I'm speaking for many others, but this is just me, talking to you) are sick and damn tired of our Government robbing from us and giving to the "poor", because, to be truthful, many of the poor are poor by choice, and it's breaking my back to subsidize the lazy. MY kids don't have all they could/should have, because my neighbor wants to run her air conditioner at 68 degrees all damn day. That makes me angry. MY bill is 400 dollars a month (more in Northern California than anywhere in Arizona by the way) so hers can be 60.

Now my friend that isn't right. And it's just one example of a thousand others I could submit. And if you can't see that...if you can't see why that makes me livid, well, then you're right. This is truly pointless.

Danno · 08-12-2012, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

We DO agree that poor children should be able to get lunch and breakfast at school for free.

Why do you think that?

08-10-2012, 06:22 PM	#1
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Someone else made that happen? I LOATHE Liberals. Know that. When you are dealing with AlaskaSaints, you are dealing with and ABLE Veteran who loathes liberals. Fair. Not a hand-out but a hand-up. Welfare. EBT. Food Stamps. Section 8 housing. Alaska Permanent Dividend Fund. Free lunch program. Handicap parking for non-paraplegics. Handicap parking period. Equal Opportunity Employment. Social Services. Social experimenting... An on and on and on. I loathe these things. Alaska

08-11-2012, 01:00 PM	#2
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Someone else made that happen? Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints I LOATHE Liberals. Know that. When you are dealing with AlaskaSaints, you are dealing with and ABLE Veteran who loathes liberals. Fair. Not a hand-out but a hand-up. Welfare. EBT. Food Stamps. Section 8 housing. Alaska Permanent Dividend Fund. Free lunch program. Handicap parking for non-paraplegics. Handicap parking period . Equal Opportunity Employment. Social Services. Social experimenting... An on and on and on. I loathe these things. Alaska Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy that group includes the authors of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence

08-11-2012, 03:02 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Someone else made that happen? Originally Posted by ScottF Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy that group includes the authors of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence Once you get beyond Lincoln you're dealing with a different kind of liberal I'm afraid.

08-11-2012, 03:09 PM	#4
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Someone else made that happen? Originally Posted by saintfan Once you get beyond Lincoln you're dealing with a different kind of liberal I'm afraid. Very true. My point was that there have been great men from that side, as well as the right. 'Loathing' either side is divisive and counterproductive. (welcome to America, 2012)

08-11-2012, 03:29 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,750	Re: Someone else made that happen? Originally Posted by saintfan Once you get beyond Lincoln you're dealing with a different kind of liberal I'm afraid. Yep, todays liberals would consider those guys right wing extremists.

08-12-2012, 09:28 AM	#6
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 953	Re: Someone else made that happen? Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints I LOATHE Liberals. Know that. When you are dealing with AlaskaSaints, you are dealing with and ABLE Veteran who loathes liberals. Fair. Not a hand-out but a hand-up. Welfare. EBT. Food Stamps. Section 8 housing. Alaska Permanent Dividend Fund. Free lunch program. Handicap parking for non-paraplegics. Handicap parking period. Equal Opportunity Employment. Social Services. Social experimenting... An on and on and on. I loathe these things. Alaska Free lunch? Really? For a while in elementary school I didn't have free lunch and as a consequence I DIDN'T HAVE ANY LUNCH! I guess if I was really hungry I could have eaten out of the trash, right? You're a moron. If you weren't a veteran I'd have no respect for you at all.
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 953

08-12-2012, 10:22 AM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Someone else made that happen? Originally Posted by jcp026 Free lunch? Really? For a while in elementary school I didn't have free lunch and as a consequence I DIDN'T HAVE ANY LUNCH! I guess if I was really hungry I could have eaten out of the trash, right? You're a moron. If you weren't a veteran I'd have no respect for you at all. When I was in elementary school my mom (single mother, 1975) qualified for free lunch for both me and my sister. She refused it. Now, I'm not saying that everyone can refuse it. Some people NEED it and that's what it's for. Fast-forward to this summer. In California, they've cut public schools to the bone, and they may not be done, while they continue to fund stupid social programs and while California becomes more and more a welfare state. Here's the rub. The elementary schools feed the kids free of charge. Lunch. Breakfast too. Dinner too. All school year. All summer long. But the program is abused. Kids bring their friends. Kids who don't NEED it show up too, with THEIR friends. The principal at my daughter's Elementary school is livid over the whole thing, but there's not ONE DAMN THING she can do about it. American's don't mind giving. We are the most generous people the world has ever known. We don't like STEALING. And that's what the 'free lunch' program has become. I'm speaking ONLY about California, but I'm willing to bet this particular problem is not specific to the Golden State. No, sir. He's not an idiot as you suggest. He's PISSED OFF, and he has EVERY RIGHT to be pissed off, just as I and so many other people are pissed off because our country has drifted slowly over the years from what the founders intended. It is no longer drifting. It is on rapids and it is approaching the waterfall. I've discussed this stuff with you. You're not stupid. You're well read on the subject, so I know you know we are not where the Constitution would have us be. We are increasingly a nation of people who feel entitled to things simply because someone else has them. There are people who grew up watching their parents and their grandparents manipulate, abuse, and scam Government programs, and of course they're scamming them too, all at the expense of the working public. WE ARE TIRED OF IT. No. he's no moron. He is a pissed off American who is tired of seeing loafers live off his dime while he struggles to provide decent things for his family - things he wouldn't have to struggle to provide if he wasn't being forced by big brother to subsidize someone else who is able but not willing to go out and get his own. He doesn't have to. If his kids are hungry, no problem. Head down to the school. If he wants a cell phone he doesn't have to save for it, Obama will just give him one. If he needs a car, he doesn't have to sacrifice. He simply needs to get on Welfare and the Government will provide one for him, pay for the insurance, AND for AAA. If you work for what you have, and if these programs don't piss you off, then I'm not sure I can have a conversation with you. Anybody who thinks Thomas Jefferson or Lincoln would approve is sadly mistaken. The "New Deal" was sneaked through in the dead of night and the country has been on the hell express ever since. Danno likes this.
	C'mon Man... Last edited by saintfan; 08-12-2012 at 10:25 AM..

08-12-2012, 11:04 AM	#8
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 953	Re: Someone else made that happen? Originally Posted by saintfan When I was in elementary school my mom (single mother, 1975) qualified for free lunch for both me and my sister. She refused it. Now, I'm not saying that everyone can refuse it. Some people NEED it and that's what it's for. Fast-forward to this summer. In California, they've cut public schools to the bone, and they may not be done, while they continue to fund stupid social programs and while California becomes more and more a welfare state. Here's the rub. The elementary schools feed the kids free of charge. Lunch. Breakfast too. Dinner too. All school year. All summer long. But the program is abused. Kids bring their friends. Kids who don't NEED it show up too, with THEIR friends. The principal at my daughter's Elementary school is livid over the whole thing, but there's not ONE DAMN THING she can do about it. American's don't mind giving. We are the most generous people the world has ever known. We don't like STEALING. And that's what the 'free lunch' program has become. I'm speaking ONLY about California, but I'm willing to bet this particular problem is not specific to the Golden State. No, sir. He's not an idiot as you suggest. He's PISSED OFF, and he has EVERY RIGHT to be pissed off, just as I and so many other people are pissed off because our country has drifted slowly over the years from what the founders intended. It is no longer drifting. It is on rapids and it is approaching the waterfall. I've discussed this stuff with you. You're not stupid. You're well read on the subject, so I know you know we are not where the Constitution would have us be. We are increasingly a nation of people who feel entitled to things simply because someone else has them. There are people who grew up watching their parents and their grandparents manipulate, abuse, and scam Government programs, and of course they're scamming them too, all at the expense of the working public. WE ARE TIRED OF IT. No. he's no moron. He is a pissed off American who is tired of seeing loafers live off his dime while he struggles to provide decent things for his family - things he wouldn't have to struggle to provide if he wasn't being forced by big brother to subsidize someone else who is able but not willing to go out and get his own. He doesn't have to. If his kids are hungry, no problem. Head down to the school. If he wants a cell phone he doesn't have to save for it, Obama will just give him one. If he needs a car, he doesn't have to sacrifice. He simply needs to get on Welfare and the Government will provide one for him, pay for the insurance, AND for AAA. If you work for what you have, and if these programs don't piss you off, then I'm not sure I can have a conversation with you. Anybody who thinks Thomas Jefferson or Lincoln would approve is sadly mistaken. The "New Deal" was sneaked through in the dead of night and the country has been on the hell express ever since. This is pointless. If we can't even agree that poor children, poor through no fault of their own, and hungry because they're human shouldn't be able to get lunch and breakfast at school for free then I don't know where we can agree.
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 953

08-12-2012, 12:45 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Someone else made that happen? Originally Posted by jcp026 This is pointless. If we can't even agree that poor children, poor through no fault of their own, and hungry because they're human shouldn't be able to get lunch and breakfast at school for free then I don't know where we can agree. You didn't read what I typed. We DO agree that poor children should be able to get lunch and breakfast at school for free. I doubt you'll find a man or woman in America who disagrees. Where I disagree with my liberal friends is accountability. If, for example, you're benefiting from Section 8 you should be subject to periodic inspections - random so that you cannot prepare and hide your 3000 dollar stereos, Ipods, 52" televisions, and the 12 relatives living with you. There are people who need Section 8 who are using Section 8, but there are more people on Section 8 because they're lazy and they are career abusers of the system. We need to put a stop to that practice. The principal of my daughter's Elementary school should have the power to enforce rules. But before that, rules have to be created so that she can enforce them. As things are now, when some kid wanders in she cannot require that kid to show proof that he/she should be there, and if she DID ask the district would fire her. That program exists at the expense of Civics, and music, and physical education, and more. It's a free for all. Pun intended. It sucks and it should be stopped. People like me (and I'm sure I'm speaking for many others, but this is just me, talking to you) are sick and damn tired of our Government robbing from us and giving to the "poor", because, to be truthful, many of the poor are poor by choice, and it's breaking my back to subsidize the lazy. MY kids don't have all they could/should have, because my neighbor wants to run her air conditioner at 68 degrees all damn day. That makes me angry. MY bill is 400 dollars a month (more in Northern California than anywhere in Arizona by the way) so hers can be 60. Now my friend that isn't right. And it's just one example of a thousand others I could submit. And if you can't see that...if you can't see why that makes me livid, well, then you're right. This is truly pointless. SmashMouth likes this.
	C'mon Man... Last edited by saintfan; 08-12-2012 at 12:47 PM..

08-12-2012, 04:41 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,750	Re: Someone else made that happen? Originally Posted by saintfan We DO agree that poor children should be able to get lunch and breakfast at school for free. Why do you think that?

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