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So you dont believe a single thing the 911 Commission said?

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Oh yea... I believe every word. :rolleyes: One thing you can depend on is the news media/powers that be... to tell the truth.

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Ok. Thanks for playing.

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I'm going to take a very close look at all this 9/11 talk, before I state any solid opinion on it.

Upfront, I would like to say this... When you're talking about government officials, it is foolish to trust them simply at their word. And I don't trust them at their word. But propaganda can go both ways, and so when people call themselves "experts", that means nothing to me. The "medical examiner" in Newtown was supposed to be an expert, but had his facts all wrong, and generally didn't know what he was talking about. Iuse that as an example of how people can try to deceive you.

In the spirit of true full disclosure, just listening to one side's opinion is not knowing facts.

It is possible that 9/11 was an "inside job", and it is also possible that mistakes were made, and a coverup ensued to lessen the political impact. Or perhaps 9/11 just happened as it was reported, and certain "people" in the government decided that they could take advantage of the situation. It's very difficult to know if it was premeditated or, as I said, something that was taken advantage of after the fact.

I'm not sure what George W. Bush would have had to gain from this. Who would have been behind this conspiracy? I haven't had a chance to really study this yet, but I will. For now, I would say let's slow our roll before we just decide we know what really happened based on "expert" opinions. Opinions matter, but in and of themselves, they are meaningless without full examination.

What we KNOW for sure right now is that Liberals are trying to get rid of guns. I don't believe it has anything to do with public safety. I think it has everything to do with disarming us, so that we are no longer a threat. The Sandy Hook evidence, or lack thereof, shows clear proof of either a coverup, or an all out hoax. Why would anyone do that? All you have to do is turn on the TV and listen to countless talking heads spewing their hatred of guns and gun owners. It isn't a secret that this apparent hoax is all part of pushing their agenda.

It isn't that I doubt the possibility of a 9/11 coverup, it's that I question who exactly would have been behind it, and why. Because no matter what might have transpired behind the scenes, I saw those towers fall on live television on that morning. I at least know THAT really happened.

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I wish more people in this world were as open-minded about it as you. I used to be one of those "believers" who thought everything that I saw on the media was legitimate. The more I researched, the more I realized that there were a lot of things that just weren't right about 9-11. There were way too many loose ends. "Facts" didn't add up. The things I started to realize about it literally made me sick to my stomach.

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I have never believed much of anything the media reports.

I have learned things from doing my own research as well, such as Humpty Dumpty was pushed, Mickey Mouse died in a cancer experiment, etc.

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What I can't believe is that

911 story is a complete fake...
Weapons of mass destruction was a complete fake...
Debt control is a complete fake...
Our borders are a complete fake...
Politics are a complete fake....
Obama's birth certificate is a complete fake...
Sandy Hook is a complete fake....
The media is a complete fake...

Does anyone see a pattern here? Stuff like this shouldn't happen in the United States of America but we've been sold down the road. Ask yourself one question and then "Wake Up"... who really has the power to control all of that?

FOLLOW THE MONEY... The people who benefit from all the Fiat Money that has been allowed to be printed (with nothing backing it). These people earn money created from nothing. They finance the war. War is good... more debt.... illegals good... more debt... more social program... more debt... more war... more debt... healthcare... more debt... wow another pattern. Hum... If you challenge them, you are a conspiracy theorist. Well... I'm not stupid either.

Football will be over after the Superbowl so forum members have some homework to do. Please search Youtube and view some of the videos on the following subject... It will open your eyes.

Fiat Currency, Fractional Reserve Currency, Corporation USA, Creation of Federal Reserve, Original 13th Amendment.... this should keep you busy.

FF

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I'm not sure why you seem to be insinuating that I believe everything I read. I'm pretty sure I just explained my approach to figuring out what the facts are. I don't appreciate the tone, and mentioning football, as if it's all I care about. I haven't been watching football since the Saints season ended.

It's easy to say money, money, money, everything is all about money. But that is more opinion than fact. I am well aware that greed drives corruption, but greed is about more than money. It's about absolute power.

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Well now you changed it a bit. Perhaps you were not talking about me?

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Burning... I wouldn 't worry about the tone too much since we are both on the same side. Some people get pretty passionate about their opinions while they know they are getting screwed in the butt by society. LOL
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Burning, there are people that get 2 sentences into something and decide that either the rest is factual, or the rest is all inaccurate. The issue with that is that the first two sentences are usually the framing to get someones attention and not the full story.

Sometimes this translates into whether they "think" you believe or do not believe everything.

Example: I said I do not believe the entire conspiracy theory that the US Government killed thousands of people and had a plot to destroy the WTC... No where in there did i say i do not believe there was no cover up of how it was handled. One issue is proactive and the other is reactive. However if you stopped reading or made your decision at WTC.....

I do not for one minute believe that the people who flew the planes into the WTC were covert operatives on a suicide mission working for George W. Bush carrying out his plan to get rich.

I do believe that the fourth plane was, under directive from our Government, shot down by a US jet to prevent it from reaching its intended target.

If anyone wants to know why I do not believe our government intentionally destroyed the WTCs with a master plan?

There is absolutely zero allegiance in our Government, it is as cut throat as any group that exists. This would make it impossible to pull together a group of loyal people large enough to pull it off.

What are the odds of these two scenarios:

1. Our airport security at that time was so inept that they allowed terrorists on planes with box cutters?


2. George W. Bush garnered enough allegiance to get security agents from three different airports to allow the box cutters on a plane, found a hand full of people that were willing to commit suicide by flying planes into a building. Convinced enough people to load two skyscrapers with explosives so they would come down. Did this with any military leaders allowing a plane to fly into the pentagon and kill soldiers..

This would have had to been orchestrated by our Government and George W. Bush.... Both of which were hated so much that someone would have come forth by now and made statements along the lines of "I work airport security and on the morning of 9-11 I was replaced by those guys". " I work ed security for the WTCs and on the weeks leading up to 9-11 I was replaced by people who have never worked for my security company"... Or maybe someone slipped sleeping pills in the security guards coffee then proceeded to truck in a few thousand pounds of explosives.

Anyway, I understand where you are coming from, you want to take each alleged action and sort it out for your self what you do or don't believe. Im with you.

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"If anyone wants to know why I do not believe our government intentionally destroyed the WTCs with a master plan?
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There is absolutely zero allegiance in our Government, it is as cut throat as any group that exists. This would make it impossible to pull together a group of loyal people large enough to pull it off."

The same thing goes for the Sandy Hook and the shootings at the movie theatre in Colorado.

It is inconceivable that that kind of event would not be leaked!

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So you think that there is someone that has proof that the government is responsible for 911, the Sandy Hook & Aurora,Colorado shootings and he/she hasn't sold the story?

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The kid is obviously innocent and his illuminati parents did the whole caper.
He was framed I tell ya... ;)

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I'm not really on a side at this point, as I would prefer to look at this fully, myself, before deciding. The reason I mentioned your tone is because, before you edited during my reply, your comment seemed to be accusing me of not doing my homework, and watching too much football. I found that odd considering what I had just explained in my previous post. But it seems you must have realized how it was worded, and changed it.

But again, I have an open mind, and am always willing to take another look at something if significant evidence arises. At this time though, I can't take a side.

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Examine both sides. One will stink to high heaven and the other will leave you with massive questions unanswered. Then throw "Political Correctness" out the window since this is only a way the powers that be try to control you. Politics has nothing to do with it. It goes much higher than that. When you get to that level, you will find out why things are the way they are and everything will make complete sense. ;)

The reason I say take a break from football is there are other subjects discussed here that matter more. I for one thank you for hanging out in this discussion. Others either won't take the time, don't give a crap or are afraid to express their opinions.

:bng:

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There is a difference between 9/11 and Sandy Hook. 9/11 was an event of a much, much larger scale and we do know that the tragedy itself happened, regardless of why it happened. I'm quite skeptical about the idea that the government is responsible for the terrorist attacks, themselves. I can see coverups of certain things, and particular individuals within the government trying to take advantage of a bad situation. But as I have said in this thread, I will take a look and see for myself.

With Sandy Hook, it's a small town, a small school, not near as much exposure and thus far easier to pull off a lie.

We have not just inconsistencies, but outright false information, and ZERO proof of anything that was reported to have happened. No bodies, no security camera footage, the medical examiner had very few answers, was laughing about the whole thing, and when he did have answers it was often false information.

We have supposed victims families smiling and laughing in interviews, just days after their children were said to be murdered. I'm ecstatic for the kids if in fact they ARE alive, but I am disgusted that they would be used in some sick game.

We have proof of memorial pages being made for victims days before the event even took place. And I'm only skirting over the surface of all the information we have pointing toward a hoax. Why would the government do this, you may wonder? It should be very obvious. To get all the bleeding hearts charged up to push this anti gun agenda.

I'm not one of these "all forms of government are evil" people. America was once a great country, and the way our governing system was originally designed was brilliant. This country could still be great again if more good people would stand up and fight for it. But this administration IS, without a doubt in my mind, evil. They have demonstrated zero regard for the citizens of America. I do believe that with Barack Obama, we are in the midst of a dictator. There are things in the constitution that are complicating the process for him, but he is absolutely doing everything he can to destroy the constitution, as we know it. He is stepping on our rights, and no one is doing anything about it, or if they try, they are silenced with this constant bombardment of rhetoric and lies.

Taking away our right to defend ourselves is a big step toward dictatorship. His Socialist, Marxist driven agenda's also are consistent with past disasters such as the Soviet Union. Would it be so hard for a "man" who is evil enough to disable the public, to pay a few actors to pull off a hoax? I never would have thought something like this would happen, where people would actually stage a huge tragedy. But if these are people who believe in Obama's vision of society, then why wouldn't they jump at the chance, like the drones we know they are? It's not a matter of will any of them leak information. It's whether or not they can pull off the act without anyone noticing the lack of authenticity. They failed miserably in that regard. But what is the media doing about it? Nothing. We all know the vast majority of media is soaked in liberalism, and the few who aren't are afraid of being crucified for taking a stand that would be immensely unpopular.

I don't think that everything I see is fake, by any means. I've just never been so blown away by what I've seen regarding this "shooting".

You have to admit that there are some truly delusional people out there, considering they were willing to vote for someone who broke every single promise he made in his first term, put our economy at it's lowest credit rating in history, and is promising more of the same. It's beyond political. This is evil at it's worst.

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Absolute agreement. This leaves two possible theory.

1. Everything reported has been accurate. <---- This being impossible because there are very conflicting reports.

2. The government capitalizes on tragedy and shapes the story to serve its cause, what ever that may be.

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," Rahm Emanuel

He elaborated: "Things that we had postponed for too long, that were long-term, are now immediate and must be dealt with. This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before."

In Crisis, Opportunity for Barack Obama - WSJ.com

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So he wants us to remove reasoning, logic, and rationality...

Then spends 1:30 reasoning trying to apply his logic and make the irrational seem rational.

I don't listen to hippies. Especially with Zamfir playing in the background.