Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes...

burningmetal · 01-29-2013, 07:43 AM

I'm going to take a very close look at all this 9/11 talk, before I state any solid opinion on it.

Upfront, I would like to say this... When you're talking about government officials, it is foolish to trust them simply at their word. And I don't trust them at their word. But propaganda can go both ways, and so when people call themselves "experts", that means nothing to me. The "medical examiner" in Newtown was supposed to be an expert, but had his facts all wrong, and generally didn't know what he was talking about. Iuse that as an example of how people can try to deceive you.

In the spirit of true full disclosure, just listening to one side's opinion is not knowing facts.

It is possible that 9/11 was an "inside job", and it is also possible that mistakes were made, and a coverup ensued to lessen the political impact. Or perhaps 9/11 just happened as it was reported, and certain "people" in the government decided that they could take advantage of the situation. It's very difficult to know if it was premeditated or, as I said, something that was taken advantage of after the fact.

I'm not sure what George W. Bush would have had to gain from this. Who would have been behind this conspiracy? I haven't had a chance to really study this yet, but I will. For now, I would say let's slow our roll before we just decide we know what really happened based on "expert" opinions. Opinions matter, but in and of themselves, they are meaningless without full examination.

What we KNOW for sure right now is that Liberals are trying to get rid of guns. I don't believe it has anything to do with public safety. I think it has everything to do with disarming us, so that we are no longer a threat. The Sandy Hook evidence, or lack thereof, shows clear proof of either a coverup, or an all out hoax. Why would anyone do that? All you have to do is turn on the TV and listen to countless talking heads spewing their hatred of guns and gun owners. It isn't a secret that this apparent hoax is all part of pushing their agenda.

It isn't that I doubt the possibility of a 9/11 coverup, it's that I question who exactly would have been behind it, and why. Because no matter what might have transpired behind the scenes, I saw those towers fall on live television on that morning. I at least know THAT really happened.

D_it_up · 01-29-2013, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm going to take a very close look at all this 9/11 talk, before I state any solid opinion on it.

Upfront, I would like to say this... When you're talking about government officials, it is foolish to trust them simply at their word. And I don't trust them at their word. But propaganda can go both ways, and so when people call themselves "experts", that means nothing to me. The "medical examiner" in Newtown was supposed to be an expert, but had his facts all wrong, and generally didn't know what he was talking about. Iuse that as an example of how people can try to deceive you.

In the spirit of true full disclosure, just listening to one side's opinion is not knowing facts.

It is possible that 9/11 was an "inside job", and it is also possible that mistakes were made, and a coverup ensued to lessen the political impact. Or perhaps 9/11 just happened as it was reported, and certain "people" in the government decided that they could take advantage of the situation. It's very difficult to know if it was premeditated or, as I said, something that was taken advantage of after the fact.

I'm not sure what George W. Bush would have had to gain from this. Who would have been behind this conspiracy? I haven't had a chance to really study this yet, but I will. For now, I would say let's slow our roll before we just decide we know what really happened based on "expert" opinions. Opinions matter, but in and of themselves, they are meaningless without full examination.

What we KNOW for sure right now is that Liberals are trying to get rid of guns. I don't believe it has anything to do with public safety. I think it has everything to do with disarming us, so that we are no longer a threat. The Sandy Hook evidence, or lack thereof, shows clear proof of either a coverup, or an all out hoax. Why would anyone do that? All you have to do is turn on the TV and listen to countless talking heads spewing their hatred of guns and gun owners. It isn't a secret that this apparent hoax is all part of pushing their agenda.

It isn't that I doubt the possibility of a 9/11 coverup, it's that I question who exactly would have been behind it, and why. Because no matter what might have transpired behind the scenes, I saw those towers fall on live television on that morning. I at least know THAT really happened.

I wish more people in this world were as open-minded about it as you. I used to be one of those "believers" who thought everything that I saw on the media was legitimate. The more I researched, the more I realized that there were a lot of things that just weren't right about 9-11. There were way too many loose ends. "Facts" didn't add up. The things I started to realize about it literally made me sick to my stomach.

WhoDat!656 · 01-29-2013, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by D_it_up

I wish more people in this world were as open-minded about it as you. I used to be one of those "believers" who thought everything that I saw on the media was legitimate. The more I researched, the more I realized that there were a lot of things that just weren't right about 9-11. There were way too many loose ends. "Facts" didn't add up. The things I started to realize about it literally made me sick to my stomach.

I have never believed much of anything the media reports.

I have learned things from doing my own research as well, such as Humpty Dumpty was pushed, Mickey Mouse died in a cancer experiment, etc.

foreverfan · 01-29-2013, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It isn't that I doubt the possibility of a 9/11 coverup, it's that I question who exactly would have been behind it, and why. Because no matter what might have transpired behind the scenes, I saw those towers fall on live television on that morning. I at least know THAT really happened.

What I can't believe is that

911 story is a complete fake...
Weapons of mass destruction was a complete fake...
Debt control is a complete fake...
Our borders are a complete fake...
Politics are a complete fake....
Obama's birth certificate is a complete fake...
Sandy Hook is a complete fake....
The media is a complete fake...

Does anyone see a pattern here? Stuff like this shouldn't happen in the United States of America but we've been sold down the road. Ask yourself one question and then "Wake Up"... who really has the power to control all of that?

FOLLOW THE MONEY... The people who benefit from all the Fiat Money that has been allowed to be printed (with nothing backing it). These people earn money created from nothing. They finance the war. War is good... more debt.... illegals good... more debt... more social program... more debt... more war... more debt... healthcare... more debt... wow another pattern. Hum... If you challenge them, you are a conspiracy theorist. Well... I'm not stupid either.

Football will be over after the Superbowl so forum members have some homework to do. Please search Youtube and view some of the videos on the following subject... It will open your eyes.

Fiat Currency, Fractional Reserve Currency, Corporation USA, Creation of Federal Reserve, Original 13th Amendment.... this should keep you busy.

FF

burningmetal · 01-29-2013, 10:14 PM

I'm not sure why you seem to be insinuating that I believe everything I read. I'm pretty sure I just explained my approach to figuring out what the facts are. I don't appreciate the tone, and mentioning football, as if it's all I care about. I haven't been watching football since the Saints season ended.

It's easy to say money, money, money, everything is all about money. But that is more opinion than fact. I am well aware that greed drives corruption, but greed is about more than money. It's about absolute power.

TheOak · 01-30-2013, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm not sure why you seem to be insinuating that I believe everything I read. I'm pretty sure I just explained my approach to figuring out what the facts are. I don't appreciate the tone, and mentioning football, as if it's all I care about. I haven't been watching football since the Saints season ended.

It's easy to say money, money, money, everything is all about money. But that is more opinion than fact. I am well aware that greed drives corruption, but greed is about more than money. It's about absolute power.

Burning, there are people that get 2 sentences into something and decide that either the rest is factual, or the rest is all inaccurate. The issue with that is that the first two sentences are usually the framing to get someones attention and not the full story.

Sometimes this translates into whether they "think" you believe or do not believe everything.

Example: I said I do not believe the entire conspiracy theory that the US Government killed thousands of people and had a plot to destroy the WTC... No where in there did i say i do not believe there was no cover up of how it was handled. One issue is proactive and the other is reactive. However if you stopped reading or made your decision at WTC.....

I do not for one minute believe that the people who flew the planes into the WTC were covert operatives on a suicide mission working for George W. Bush carrying out his plan to get rich.

I do believe that the fourth plane was, under directive from our Government, shot down by a US jet to prevent it from reaching its intended target.

If anyone wants to know why I do not believe our government intentionally destroyed the WTCs with a master plan?

There is absolutely zero allegiance in our Government, it is as cut throat as any group that exists. This would make it impossible to pull together a group of loyal people large enough to pull it off.

What are the odds of these two scenarios:

1. Our airport security at that time was so inept that they allowed terrorists on planes with box cutters?

2. George W. Bush garnered enough allegiance to get security agents from three different airports to allow the box cutters on a plane, found a hand full of people that were willing to commit suicide by flying planes into a building. Convinced enough people to load two skyscrapers with explosives so they would come down. Did this with any military leaders allowing a plane to fly into the pentagon and kill soldiers..

This would have had to been orchestrated by our Government and George W. Bush.... Both of which were hated so much that someone would have come forth by now and made statements along the lines of "I work airport security and on the morning of 9-11 I was replaced by those guys". " I work ed security for the WTCs and on the weeks leading up to 9-11 I was replaced by people who have never worked for my security company"... Or maybe someone slipped sleeping pills in the security guards coffee then proceeded to truck in a few thousand pounds of explosives.

Anyway, I understand where you are coming from, you want to take each alleged action and sort it out for your self what you do or don't believe. Im with you.

burningmetal · 01-29-2013, 10:17 PM

Well now you changed it a bit. Perhaps you were not talking about me?

foreverfan · 01-30-2013, 09:22 AM

Burning... I wouldn 't worry about the tone too much since we are both on the same side. Some people get pretty passionate about their opinions while they know they are getting screwed in the butt by society. LOL

burningmetal · 01-30-2013, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Burning... I wouldn 't worry about the tone too much since we are both on the same side. Some people get pretty passionate about their opinions while they know they are getting screwed in the butt by society. LOL

I'm not really on a side at this point, as I would prefer to look at this fully, myself, before deciding. The reason I mentioned your tone is because, before you edited during my reply, your comment seemed to be accusing me of not doing my homework, and watching too much football. I found that odd considering what I had just explained in my previous post. But it seems you must have realized how it was worded, and changed it.

But again, I have an open mind, and am always willing to take another look at something if significant evidence arises. At this time though, I can't take a side.

foreverfan · 01-30-2013, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm not really on a side at this point, as I would prefer to look at this fully, myself, before deciding. The reason I mentioned your tone is because, before you edited during my reply, your comment seemed to be accusing me of not doing my homework, and watching too much football. I found that odd considering what I had just explained in my previous post. But it seems you must have realized how it was worded, and changed it.

But again, I have an open mind, and am always willing to take another look at something if significant evidence arises. At this time though, I can't take a side.

Examine both sides. One will stink to high heaven and the other will leave you with massive questions unanswered. Then throw "Political Correctness" out the window since this is only a way the powers that be try to control you. Politics has nothing to do with it. It goes much higher than that. When you get to that level, you will find out why things are the way they are and everything will make complete sense.

The reason I say take a break from football is there are other subjects discussed here that matter more. I for one thank you for hanging out in this discussion. Others either won't take the time, don't give a crap or are afraid to express their opinions.

01-29-2013, 07:43 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes... I'm going to take a very close look at all this 9/11 talk, before I state any solid opinion on it. Upfront, I would like to say this... When you're talking about government officials, it is foolish to trust them simply at their word. And I don't trust them at their word. But propaganda can go both ways, and so when people call themselves "experts", that means nothing to me. The "medical examiner" in Newtown was supposed to be an expert, but had his facts all wrong, and generally didn't know what he was talking about. Iuse that as an example of how people can try to deceive you. In the spirit of true full disclosure, just listening to one side's opinion is not knowing facts. It is possible that 9/11 was an "inside job", and it is also possible that mistakes were made, and a coverup ensued to lessen the political impact. Or perhaps 9/11 just happened as it was reported, and certain "people" in the government decided that they could take advantage of the situation. It's very difficult to know if it was premeditated or, as I said, something that was taken advantage of after the fact. I'm not sure what George W. Bush would have had to gain from this. Who would have been behind this conspiracy? I haven't had a chance to really study this yet, but I will. For now, I would say let's slow our roll before we just decide we know what really happened based on "expert" opinions. Opinions matter, but in and of themselves, they are meaningless without full examination. What we KNOW for sure right now is that Liberals are trying to get rid of guns. I don't believe it has anything to do with public safety. I think it has everything to do with disarming us, so that we are no longer a threat. The Sandy Hook evidence, or lack thereof, shows clear proof of either a coverup, or an all out hoax. Why would anyone do that? All you have to do is turn on the TV and listen to countless talking heads spewing their hatred of guns and gun owners. It isn't a secret that this apparent hoax is all part of pushing their agenda. It isn't that I doubt the possibility of a 9/11 coverup, it's that I question who exactly would have been behind it, and why. Because no matter what might have transpired behind the scenes, I saw those towers fall on live television on that morning. I at least know THAT really happened. foreverfan likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-29-2013, 12:18 PM	#2
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes... Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm going to take a very close look at all this 9/11 talk, before I state any solid opinion on it. Upfront, I would like to say this... When you're talking about government officials, it is foolish to trust them simply at their word. And I don't trust them at their word. But propaganda can go both ways, and so when people call themselves "experts", that means nothing to me. The "medical examiner" in Newtown was supposed to be an expert, but had his facts all wrong, and generally didn't know what he was talking about. Iuse that as an example of how people can try to deceive you. In the spirit of true full disclosure, just listening to one side's opinion is not knowing facts. It is possible that 9/11 was an "inside job", and it is also possible that mistakes were made, and a coverup ensued to lessen the political impact. Or perhaps 9/11 just happened as it was reported, and certain "people" in the government decided that they could take advantage of the situation. It's very difficult to know if it was premeditated or, as I said, something that was taken advantage of after the fact. I'm not sure what George W. Bush would have had to gain from this. Who would have been behind this conspiracy? I haven't had a chance to really study this yet, but I will. For now, I would say let's slow our roll before we just decide we know what really happened based on "expert" opinions. Opinions matter, but in and of themselves, they are meaningless without full examination. What we KNOW for sure right now is that Liberals are trying to get rid of guns. I don't believe it has anything to do with public safety. I think it has everything to do with disarming us, so that we are no longer a threat. The Sandy Hook evidence, or lack thereof, shows clear proof of either a coverup, or an all out hoax. Why would anyone do that? All you have to do is turn on the TV and listen to countless talking heads spewing their hatred of guns and gun owners. It isn't a secret that this apparent hoax is all part of pushing their agenda. It isn't that I doubt the possibility of a 9/11 coverup, it's that I question who exactly would have been behind it, and why. Because no matter what might have transpired behind the scenes, I saw those towers fall on live television on that morning. I at least know THAT really happened. I wish more people in this world were as open-minded about it as you. I used to be one of those "believers" who thought everything that I saw on the media was legitimate. The more I researched, the more I realized that there were a lot of things that just weren't right about 9-11. There were way too many loose ends. "Facts" didn't add up. The things I started to realize about it literally made me sick to my stomach. foreverfan likes this.

01-29-2013, 05:54 PM	#3
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes... Originally Posted by D_it_up I wish more people in this world were as open-minded about it as you. I used to be one of those "believers" who thought everything that I saw on the media was legitimate. The more I researched, the more I realized that there were a lot of things that just weren't right about 9-11. There were way too many loose ends. "Facts" didn't add up. The things I started to realize about it literally made me sick to my stomach. I have never believed much of anything the media reports. I have learned things from doing my own research as well, such as Humpty Dumpty was pushed, Mickey Mouse died in a cancer experiment, etc. foreverfan likes this.

01-29-2013, 09:57 PM	#4
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes... Originally Posted by burningmetal It isn't that I doubt the possibility of a 9/11 coverup, it's that I question who exactly would have been behind it, and why. Because no matter what might have transpired behind the scenes, I saw those towers fall on live television on that morning. I at least know THAT really happened. What I can't believe is that 911 story is a complete fake... Weapons of mass destruction was a complete fake... Debt control is a complete fake... Our borders are a complete fake... Politics are a complete fake.... Obama's birth certificate is a complete fake... Sandy Hook is a complete fake.... The media is a complete fake... Does anyone see a pattern here? Stuff like this shouldn't happen in the United States of America but we've been sold down the road. Ask yourself one question and then "Wake Up"... who really has the power to control all of that? FOLLOW THE MONEY... The people who benefit from all the Fiat Money that has been allowed to be printed (with nothing backing it). These people earn money created from nothing. They finance the war. War is good... more debt.... illegals good... more debt... more social program... more debt... more war... more debt... healthcare... more debt... wow another pattern. Hum... If you challenge them, you are a conspiracy theorist. Well... I'm not stupid either. Football will be over after the Superbowl so forum members have some homework to do. Please search Youtube and view some of the videos on the following subject... It will open your eyes. Fiat Currency, Fractional Reserve Currency, Corporation USA, Creation of Federal Reserve, Original 13th Amendment.... this should keep you busy. FF D_it_up likes this.
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01-29-2013, 10:14 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes... I'm not sure why you seem to be insinuating that I believe everything I read. I'm pretty sure I just explained my approach to figuring out what the facts are. I don't appreciate the tone, and mentioning football, as if it's all I care about. I haven't been watching football since the Saints season ended. It's easy to say money, money, money, everything is all about money. But that is more opinion than fact. I am well aware that greed drives corruption, but greed is about more than money. It's about absolute power. TheOak likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-30-2013, 11:54 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes... Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm not sure why you seem to be insinuating that I believe everything I read. I'm pretty sure I just explained my approach to figuring out what the facts are. I don't appreciate the tone, and mentioning football, as if it's all I care about. I haven't been watching football since the Saints season ended. It's easy to say money, money, money, everything is all about money. But that is more opinion than fact. I am well aware that greed drives corruption, but greed is about more than money. It's about absolute power. Burning, there are people that get 2 sentences into something and decide that either the rest is factual, or the rest is all inaccurate. The issue with that is that the first two sentences are usually the framing to get someones attention and not the full story. Sometimes this translates into whether they "think" you believe or do not believe everything. Example: I said I do not believe the entire conspiracy theory that the US Government killed thousands of people and had a plot to destroy the WTC... No where in there did i say i do not believe there was no cover up of how it was handled. One issue is proactive and the other is reactive. However if you stopped reading or made your decision at WTC..... I do not for one minute believe that the people who flew the planes into the WTC were covert operatives on a suicide mission working for George W. Bush carrying out his plan to get rich. I do believe that the fourth plane was, under directive from our Government, shot down by a US jet to prevent it from reaching its intended target. If anyone wants to know why I do not believe our government intentionally destroyed the WTCs with a master plan? There is absolutely zero allegiance in our Government, it is as cut throat as any group that exists. This would make it impossible to pull together a group of loyal people large enough to pull it off. What are the odds of these two scenarios: 1. Our airport security at that time was so inept that they allowed terrorists on planes with box cutters? 2. George W. Bush garnered enough allegiance to get security agents from three different airports to allow the box cutters on a plane, found a hand full of people that were willing to commit suicide by flying planes into a building. Convinced enough people to load two skyscrapers with explosives so they would come down. Did this with any military leaders allowing a plane to fly into the pentagon and kill soldiers.. This would have had to been orchestrated by our Government and George W. Bush.... Both of which were hated so much that someone would have come forth by now and made statements along the lines of "I work airport security and on the morning of 9-11 I was replaced by those guys". " I work ed security for the WTCs and on the weeks leading up to 9-11 I was replaced by people who have never worked for my security company"... Or maybe someone slipped sleeping pills in the security guards coffee then proceeded to truck in a few thousand pounds of explosives. Anyway, I understand where you are coming from, you want to take each alleged action and sort it out for your self what you do or don't believe. Im with you. burningmetal likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

01-29-2013, 10:17 PM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes... Well now you changed it a bit. Perhaps you were not talking about me?

01-30-2013, 09:22 AM	#8
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes... Burning... I wouldn 't worry about the tone too much since we are both on the same side. Some people get pretty passionate about their opinions while they know they are getting screwed in the butt by society. LOL
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01-30-2013, 10:22 PM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes... Originally Posted by foreverfan Burning... I wouldn 't worry about the tone too much since we are both on the same side. Some people get pretty passionate about their opinions while they know they are getting screwed in the butt by society. LOL I'm not really on a side at this point, as I would prefer to look at this fully, myself, before deciding. The reason I mentioned your tone is because, before you edited during my reply, your comment seemed to be accusing me of not doing my homework, and watching too much football. I found that odd considering what I had just explained in my previous post. But it seems you must have realized how it was worded, and changed it. But again, I have an open mind, and am always willing to take another look at something if significant evidence arises. At this time though, I can't take a side.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-30-2013, 11:48 PM	#10
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Still Believe the Official Reports about 911? Watch the First 3 Minutes... Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm not really on a side at this point, as I would prefer to look at this fully, myself, before deciding. The reason I mentioned your tone is because, before you edited during my reply, your comment seemed to be accusing me of not doing my homework, and watching too much football. I found that odd considering what I had just explained in my previous post. But it seems you must have realized how it was worded, and changed it. But again, I have an open mind, and am always willing to take another look at something if significant evidence arises. At this time though, I can't take a side. Examine both sides. One will stink to high heaven and the other will leave you with massive questions unanswered. Then throw "Political Correctness" out the window since this is only a way the powers that be try to control you. Politics has nothing to do with it. It goes much higher than that. When you get to that level, you will find out why things are the way they are and everything will make complete sense. The reason I say take a break from football is there are other subjects discussed here that matter more. I for one thank you for hanging out in this discussion. Others either won't take the time, don't give a crap or are afraid to express their opinions.
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