AlaskaSaints

Yeah.

In one of his most unguarded moments - about to speak to a bunch of Wounded Warriors, our most lethal sniper ever, Chris Kyle, U.S.Navy S.E.A.L. was gunned down execution-style from behind by what whomever is reporting this shat to be a P.T.S.D. Marine, for no FN reason, and right out of nowhere.

This is what we're led to believe, anyway. The fact is, we can't have cold-blooded heroes running around bad-talking this administration, now can we?

The RANGE is OPEN, my brothers.

In what previous administration have we had a true war hero killed by assassination?
Yeah.

I am a Marine Scout/Sniper.
DO not listen to the story they offer. There is a back story that requires him dead.
This is personal.

You know who the *** I am

HERE WE COME, TA GE' CHU!!!!

SloMotion

I heard this earlier this morning and it immediately didn't sound right. A former Marine suffering from PTSD had turned his weapon on Kyle and another person while they were helping him at a gun range? No, if you're familiar with range procedures and the professionalism/esprit de corps of the Brotherhood of Arms, this raises serious red flags.

I'm not buying it for one minute.

RIP Chief.

TheOak

Issues i have with the present "story".

Weapons are cleared and placed on the table before anyone walks down range .... ALL WEAPONS. It's SOP for any military branch.

Apparently they were shot in the back, people experienced with weapons do not ever turn their back on a loaded weapon. This was supposedly PTSD therapy, you sure in the h3ll do not turn your back on an unfamiliar operator with emotional issues.

Why would the Marine run? They don't ****ing run.....


What were they shooting? It was a range, no need for a side arm. What were they shot with.


Why were they shot in the back??????

AlaskaSaints

This is the THIRD tragic, unexplained or coincidental death of a leader in the fight for out 2nd Amendment rights in less than a month.

I'm absolutely sick over this.

Alaska

Halo

I'll be honest with you, I'm kind of an impartial annoyance. I don't think Dick's sporting goods should be selling semi-automatic weapons.... I also pack a revolver at home that will blow a hole out the side of my house if one of the natives makes the mistake of visiting without my permission.

Anyway, I read this story and it sounded JAW DROPPINGLY FISHY to me that this would happen at such a time and comes off as a political plant.

What's a bigger joke is had this been a conservative issue, the media would have doubted and called a conspiracy on it until the cows came home.

I'm not military because I wasn't part of that generation. My brother was Marine Corp Chaplin, my dad is a Navy vet, and many on both sides of my family are ex-military. My uncle served in WWII as a physician in the South Pacific...he was so PTSD he NEVER spoke of the war once to any of us - GOD REST HIS SOUL. I felt so bad for Uncle that I paid for him to have his name put into the WWII museum and my family donated the few instruments that remained that he held onto - again, the man had no story, he simply would not discuss it - and then only once with my grandfather. The stories he told were brutal, involving body parts, death, playing GOD, and meatball surgery.

In all my travels and of all the men I've known with PTSD or are just former military, I have NEVER heard of anything happening like this EVER with a former marine, if anything they mostly DO NOT want to hurt anyone!

My brother (Marine Chaplin, march to Bagdad) felt exactly the same. His reaction was like his jaw dropped.

It comes across as so staged..... someone drugged this guy and got him to do it or there is some foul play and YES some political foolishness here.

So funny this happens when shootings are "all the rage" in the progressive movement. Just my thoughts.

TheOak

Here is a glaring item for me.


What were they shot with? I haven't seen many murders in the news where the type or caliber of weapon wasn't identified. They were executed at a gun range... Dont try and tell me no one knows what weapons were being carried.

Conspiracy Theory:
Unless they were shot with a different weapon from what they brought to the range..


Being shot in the back is also a huge problem for me. Even if they were all on the line and the killer turned and shot both of them, they would have been shot in the side.

If the first man was shot in the back, the second didnt turn at all?

TheOak

Here is another one for all of you veterans.

Chris Kyles killer was suffering from PTSD.

His job in the military - small arms armorer. Ive known many armorers, they all fell with in the ranks of the supply platoon. What exactly did he go through as Armorer to suffer from PTSD?

Marines may be able to explain better. ARMY armorers do not participate much in combat as i remember.

SloMotion

The shooter was a 2111? I'm not saying the guy didn't have PTSD, but there are varying levels and a 2111 typically serves only at a weapons issue point, even in a forward area. I don't see it.

I seriously doubt if PTSD was the underlying cause of this and once again fault the media for sensationalizing and painting with a broad brush in order to further an agenda.

This is going to get interesting.

TheOak

I was hoping you would chime in... Yes there are varying levels of PTSD, I "should" be a prime candidate... Heck.. just being shot at by Bradly's was traumatizing... Not to mention the rest of the crap...

Also , one should know that the only person that has ever said he has PTSD is himself (as in he claims PTSD but no professionals have come out and agreed).

This is interesting:
Harry Croft, a psychiatrist formerly with the Army who says he has evaluated about 7,000 veterans with PTSD, says it would be "extremely rare" for a PTSD sufferer to attack someone "outside of their own circle."
"Unless there's something else going on," says Croft, author of I Always Sit with My Back to the Wall, a book for PTSD sufferers and their families. "That something else might be drugs, alcohol or perhaps an underlying, co-occurring psychological disease, such as psychosis, paranoid disorder or severe bipolar disorder with psychosis."

Eddie Ray Routh claims PTSD in 'American Sniper' killings | ksdk.com

SloMotion

Yeah, I wasn't gonna', but what-the-heck ... so, the shooter is self-diagnosed with PTSD & the media is running with that? No VA or other professional evaluation? That's pretty irresponsible reporting, IMO.

The point by Harry Croft about a vet suffering from PTSD rarely attacking someone outside of their own circle resonates with me as well. I don't think people realize the amount of training & discipline these guys receive to be able to control themselves in those types of situations, which is why I also agree with Dr. Croft that some co-occurring psychological disorder, drugs & alcohol or some sort of conspiracy contributed to the event.